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Old 12-08-17, 08:30 AM
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Lonzo had 10 pts, 8 rbs, 8 asts, 0 to, 4 blks, 3 stls against the 6ers. Pretty dumb when people say he doesn’t belong in the NBA. What rookie offers such depth in contribution?

He has a very high ceiling and will only get a lot better over the next few years. will continue as the Lakers and Ball rise.
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Old 12-08-17, 09:01 AM
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His impact on the Lakers is bigger than people think his numbers have been solid night in, night out. The first thing the 6ers head coach mentioned in his 4th quarter interview last nite was "Lonzo is an elite pusher of the ball....!"
He has been far from a disappointment. The only thing he hasn't been able to do is shoot well. There's been many players that came into the league that couldn't shoot his boss is a prime example!
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Old 12-08-17, 09:28 AM
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OMG, Lonzo played 38 minutes!!! Of course he's going to put up some stats!! There's a 24 second shot clock and he has the ball in his hands alot!! Between the missed shots for both teams, including free throws, there was 113 missed shots. For someone playing 38 minutes, 8 rebounds would be very much expected. For having the ball in his hands alot, 8 assists would be very much expected, as well as 10 points. Now I will say on the positive side, for playing 38 minutes and having the ball as much as he does 0 turnovers is remarkable.

So I will praise Lonzo Ball for the first time for playing 38 minutes and having 0 turnovers in an NBA game. But his inability to shoot will lower his ceiling considerably. Players that can't shoot don't last long in today's NBA.
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Old 12-08-17, 09:31 AM
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His impact on the Lakers is bigger than people think his numbers have been solid night in, night out. The first thing the 6ers head coach mentioned in his 4th quarter interview last nite was "Lonzo is an elite pusher of the ball....!"
He has been far from a disappointment. The only thing he hasn't been able to do is shoot well. There's been many players that came into the league that couldn't shoot his boss is a prime example!
You are correct, but he's been a disappointment, you can't argue with that. He's the #2 pick and was expected to be an elite player immediatley. His daddy said he'd be better than Curry, which is laughable. Magic played in an era where there were guards who could not shoot on every team, the game was more inside out back then. Today's game is about outside in, 3 point shooting and spacing. Guys don't even guard Lonzo on the perimeter anymore.
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Old 12-08-17, 10:22 AM
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OMG, Lonzo played 38 minutes!!! Of course he's going to put up some stats!! There's a 24 second shot clock and he has the ball in his hands alot!! Between the missed shots for both teams, including free throws, there was 113 missed shots. For someone playing 38 minutes, 8 rebounds would be very much expected. For having the ball in his hands alot, 8 assists would be very much expected, as well as 10 points. Now I will say on the positive side, for playing 38 minutes and having the ball as much as he does 0 turnovers is remarkable.

So I will praise Lonzo Ball for the first time for playing 38 minutes and having 0 turnovers in an NBA game. But his inability to shoot will lower his ceiling considerably. Players that can't shoot don't last long in today's NBA.
You’ve gone as far as saying he doesn’t belong on an nba court, but he’s a high usage player running the offense on a fairly competitive Laker team that is extremely young.
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Lonzo will be in the NBA for years to come. He is a role player at his worst. This is coming from someone who doesn't think he will be elite. However to think he will only be in the league a few years is absurd. Do you think after his rookie contract is up he won't find a roster spot anywhere?

Few years lol I will wager with you he will be on an NBA team after a few a years and will give you whatever odds you want. How long is a "few years" to you? Three or four?

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Old 12-08-17, 10:41 AM
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Lonzo is an average athlete at a position with multiple elite athletes ... will struggle when he plays the elite PGs and will be OK vs the other average PGs.
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Old 12-08-17, 10:49 AM
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OMG, Lonzo played 38 minutes!!! Of course he's going to put up some stats!! There's a 24 second shot clock and he has the ball in his hands alot!! Between the missed shots for both teams, including free throws, there was 113 missed shots. For someone playing 38 minutes, 8 rebounds would be very much expected. For having the ball in his hands alot, 8 assists would be very much expected, as well as 10 points. Now I will say on the positive side, for playing 38 minutes and having the ball as much as he does 0 turnovers is remarkable.

So I will praise Lonzo Ball for the first time for playing 38 minutes and having 0 turnovers in an NBA game. But his inability to shoot will lower his ceiling considerably. Players that can't shoot don't last long in today's NBA.
No it isn't especially a guard. This has been pointed out to you a million times, with hard evidence against your statement, and yet you never have a response. You just keep repeating your incorrect, moronic opinion over and over again without backing it.

I guess that means Ben Simmons is going to be out of the league in a couple years? He can't shoot either. This is another moronic take. There are multiple people in todays NBA that can't shoot but are elite at other things and make millions of dollars playing.
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Old 12-08-17, 10:54 AM
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Rondo made a career of not shooting
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Old 12-08-17, 02:51 PM
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Lakers are going to get tired of the Lavar Ball circus and send Lonzo packing. Once he ends up at some dead-end franchise, he will be forever forgotten.
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Old 12-08-17, 04:38 PM
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Rondo made a career of not shooting
Rondo at that age was a defender that would make people throw things off the bench when the left the floor, though.
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Old 12-08-17, 04:40 PM
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Lonzo is an average athlete at a position with multiple elite athletes ... will struggle when he plays the elite PGs and will be OK vs the other average PGs.
Toward the end of the season when teams are fighting for the last playoff spots and the NBA gets real, we'll see what he's made of.
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Old 12-12-17, 03:03 PM
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No it isn't especially a guard. This has been pointed out to you a million times, with hard evidence against your statement, and yet you never have a response. You just keep repeating your incorrect, moronic opinion over and over again without backing it.

I guess that means Ben Simmons is going to be out of the league in a couple years? He can't shoot either. This is another moronic take. There are multiple people in todays NBA that can't shoot but are elite at other things and make millions of dollars playing.
Ah...Taco, I've misjudged you, I wondered when you'd bring up Ben Simmons, from my favorite team, the Sixers.

Big difference. Ben Simmons can get anywhere he wants to on the floor on the dribble, and can finish around the rim. Magic Johnson was this way early in his career. Lonzo has no inside game. LaVar is laughing all the way to the bank as he's hoodwinked the Lakers and many others and got his boy paid. He's not going to have as much luck with the other two.
So what do you do when you're not happy with the current coaches, you pull your kids out of school and got to Lithuania and play pro basketball??? What a joke this guy is.
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Old 12-12-17, 03:22 PM
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You're an idiot.
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Old 12-12-17, 07:25 PM
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Question ... which is more likely ... LeMelo & LiAngelo join Lonzo with LA or Lonzo joins the other two in Lithuania?
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Old 12-12-17, 08:55 PM
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Lakers but I will say neither has a remote chance of happening
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Old 12-13-17, 09:56 AM
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You're an idiot.
LMAO!!!!!!!

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Old 12-13-17, 10:42 AM
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Another solid line for Ball 17-8-6.
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Old 12-13-17, 10:51 AM
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Seems like a normal rookie adjusting to the NBA game with a pretty big learning curve. How would you rate him so far? Has he met expectations, exceeded, or not met them? I'd say it is about what I thought he would do. It will be interesting to see his progression once the Lakers get more talent around him and players who like to push the tempo more.
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Old 12-13-17, 11:48 AM
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Seems like a normal rookie adjusting to the NBA game with a pretty big learning curve. How would you rate him so far? Has he met expectations, exceeded, or not met them? I'd say it is about what I thought he would do. It will be interesting to see his progression once the Lakers get more talent around him and players who like to push the tempo more.
You're exactly right on your assessment but even bigger than the numbers is his impact on the culture which started in the summer time. Teammates couldn't wait to play with him, the atmosphere is a more positive winning atmosphere, guys playing with a lot more energy, their sharing the ball making the extra pass, up tempo style running the court because they know they may get an easy or wide open shot, they seem to love playing with each other, the chemistry is great on and off the court. These things have been missing in recent years.
This is what Ball brings to the table that most rookies don't and most people don't want to understand including some Yappi posters. Simmons is the only other rookie that brings this to the table.

Credit Luke Walton and Magic for fostering that environment and staying patient. Look beyond the numbers and even his numbers aren't bad. I'd say he's right on par with meeting expectations. He's changed the culture. Very few exceed expectations in their first year.

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Lakers vs Knicks was crazy last night. I was sitting next to this guy who played U17 ball for Israel back in the day and whose father coaches for Maccabi Tel Aviv (Euro powerhouse).

Lonzo played within himself very well. I'd like to see him be a little more aggressive with penetrating in the half-court offense but he had some truly electric moments in the 3rd qtr last night.
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Lakers vs Knicks was crazy last night. I was sitting next to this guy who played U17 ball for Israel back in the day and whose father coaches for Maccabi Tel Aviv (Euro powerhouse).

Lonzo played within himself very well. I'd like to see him be a little more aggressive with penetrating in the half-court offense but he had some truly electric moments in the 3rd qtr last night.
So you say next to guy who was above average at basketball
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Old 12-13-17, 06:15 PM
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Lakers tell Lavar to shut his cake flap -

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/12/13/la...s-tone-it-down
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Old 12-14-17, 08:43 AM
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With all of the talk on Lonzo the play of Kuzma has been overshadowed. He is having a stellar rookie year, outperforming Ball and probably every rookie not named Ben Simmons. Averaging 16 points, 6 rebounds and is shooting 55% from the field.
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Old 12-15-17, 05:43 AM
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Lavar and his dead tooth were trashing it up on 92.3 Fan yesterday, but I missed it. Anyone that heard it think the podcast is worth a listen ?
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Old 12-15-17, 09:44 AM
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You're exactly right on your assessment but even bigger than the numbers is his impact on the culture which started in the summer time. Teammates couldn't wait to play with him, the atmosphere is a more positive winning atmosphere, guys playing with a lot more energy, their sharing the ball making the extra pass, up tempo style running the court because they know they may get an easy or wide open shot, they seem to love playing with each other, the chemistry is great on and off the court. These things have been missing in recent years.
This is what Ball brings to the table that most rookies don't and most people don't want to understand including some Yappi posters. Simmons is the only other rookie that brings this to the table.

Credit Luke Walton and Magic for fostering that environment and staying patient. Look beyond the numbers and even his numbers aren't bad. I'd say he's right on par with meeting expectations. He's changed the culture. Very few exceed expectations in their first year.
The Lakers have no choice but to be patient. They look like laughing stocks already by drafting Ball and dealing with the Ball sideshow. They pull the plug now and they look like fools. Notice Lonzo isn't on the court at crunch time? He was suppposed to be a ROY candidate and leading the Lakers to the playoffs, remember? Actually, what REALLY fortunate for the Lakers is that Kuzma has been better than advertised, and Ingram looks like a star in waiting. I laugh when people say just wait until the Lakers get better players around Ball! He's the one holding them back!! Imagine if they had a PG like Chris Paul or Mike Conley Jr.? They'd be in playoff contention.
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You mean to tell me that if the Lakers had a top 5 PG instead of a rookie PG, things would be different? I don't believe you. I mean that's almost as crazy as saying if they had LeBron James instead of Kuzma they'd be in playoff contention.
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I donít like daddy ball, so I hate lonzo too. Blah, blah, blah.
We know.
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Old 12-15-17, 11:49 AM
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13-11-8, another solid line for Lonzo.
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Old 12-15-17, 11:59 AM
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You mean to tell me that if the Lakers had a top 5 PG instead of a rookie PG, things would be different? I don't believe you. I mean that's almost as crazy as saying if they had LeBron James instead of Kuzma they'd be in playoff contention.
oh no, don't go there, he's supposed to be the best point guard in the NBA and lead the Lakers to the playoffs. Remember, he's better than Steph Curry...
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