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Old 11-06-18, 09:00 AM
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We've had a couple of posts on this weirdly shaped asteroid that drifted into the solar system from interstellar space. The joke has been maybe it not natural but the product of an advanced civilization. Now it seems that a couple of Harvard scientists are thinking there's more to this cigar shaped rock then meets the eye:

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...m_npd_nn_fb_ma


Maybe it's an alien spacecraft.

Scientists have been puzzling over Oumuamua ever since the mysterious space object was observed tumbling past the sun in late 2017. Given its high speed and its unusual trajectory, the reddish, stadium-sized whatever-it-is had clearly come from outside our solar system. But its flattened, elongated shape and the way it accelerated on its way through the solar system set it apart from conventional asteroids and comets.

Now a pair of Harvard researchers are raising the possibility that Oumuamua is an alien spacecraft. As they say in a paper to be published Nov. 12 in The Astrophysical Journal Letters, the object "may be a fully operational probe sent intentionally to Earth vicinity by an alien civilization."
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Old 11-06-18, 11:46 AM
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Seems like a possibility. Pretty wild if it ended up in that shape on its own
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Old 11-06-18, 11:57 AM
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Isn't it tumbling end over end? Weird way for a probe to travel through space. Probably just debris that's been shooting through space for a few billion years
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Old 11-06-18, 12:18 PM
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or dead aliens, whose craft got whacked. We should go get it.
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Old 11-09-18, 09:42 AM
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This is wrong on so many levels:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...hQ4zpulmvc7yu8

A pair of MIT researchers has proposed a radical method for making our presence known in the universe.

In a new feasibility study, the team says it could be possible to use laser technology as a beacon to attract the attention of alien astronomers, much like a planetary-scale porch light.

Using a laser focused through a huge telescope, the researchers say this ‘porch light’ could be seen from as far as 20,000 light-years away.



How stupid & naive are these people? I almost think they don't believe there is sentient life out there and just want to pocket the funding for their goofy projects. No sensible person who truly believes that alien civilizations are in the galaxy would propose a giant beacon to tell everyone we exist and where we are.
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Old 11-09-18, 02:21 PM
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But - but - they don't mean us harm! I just know it!

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Old 11-12-18, 09:23 PM
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Now this is much better!

https://www.space.com/42384-breakthr...h-mission.html

Government agencies may not have a monopoly on life-hunting space missions for much longer.

Breakthrough Initiatives, which already scans the heavens for possible signals from faraway alien civilizations, is considering looking for E.T. on worlds close to home, founder Yuri Milner said.



Quietly listening & looking to see what's in our galactic neighborhood along the lines of intelligent life is a good idea. Just don't set off a signal flair if you find something.
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Old 11-14-18, 06:29 PM
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Planets everywhere!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/super-ear...180125151.html

A "super-Earth" has been discovered orbiting the closest single star to our Sun, scientists said Wednesday in a breakthrough that could shine a light on Earth's nearest planetary neighbours.

Astronomers studied Barnard's Star, a red dwarf just six light years away -- practically in our back garden, galactically speaking -- and noticed the presence of a "frozen, dimly lit world" at least 3.2 times heavier than Earth.

The planet, known for now as Barnard's Star b, is the second nearest to Earth outside the solar system and orbits its host star once every 233 days.



Though we better pack our winter gear when visiting - it's a COLD planet.
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Old 11-16-18, 09:29 AM
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After an amazing ten years in which the private space industry exploded, this article looks at the future of space exploration:

https://www.space.com/42404-decade-o...hats-next.html

In many industries, a decade is barely enough time to cause dramatic change unless something disruptive comes along – a new technology, business model or service design. The space industry has recently been enjoying all three.

But 10 years ago, none of those innovations were guaranteed. In fact, on Sept. 28, 2008, an entire company watched and hoped as their flagship product attempted a final launch after three failures. With cash running low, this was the last shot. Over 21,000 kilograms of kerosene and liquid oxygen ignited and powered two booster stages off the launchpad.

When that Falcon 1 rocket successfully reached orbit and the company secured a subsequent contract with NASA, SpaceX had survived its 'startup dip.' That milestone – the first privately developed liquid-fueled rocket to reach orbit – ignited a new space industry that is changing our world, on this planet and beyond. What has happened in the intervening years, and what does it mean going forward?



A thousand years from now people will talk about this time as the true dawn of space exploration.
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Old 11-18-18, 07:58 PM
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Head for the hills, there's a Dark Matter hurricane on a collision course with earth:

https://www.space.com/42469-dark-matter-hurricane.html

Scientists think there's a "dark matter hurricane" heading toward Earth. In fact, it might even be blowing through us already.

But don't worry — it's definitely not going to kill you. Mostly, it's just a bunch of normal dark matter with especially good branding. And it really is headed (more or less) this way.


Okay, so I exaggerated the threat a bit. But it's DARK MATTER which is always interesting and for the record there's NOTHING normal about Dark Matter! .

Here's what's going on: Back in 2017, astronomers spotted a stretched-out line of stars passing through our solar system's general region of the Milky Way. The scientists named this group the "S1 stream," identifying it as the nearest of several stellar streams moving through the galaxy. Parades of stars like these form when the Milky Way gobbles up a dwarf galaxy, stretching the smaller object out in the process. In a new paper, published Nov. 7 in the journal Physical Review D, researchers argued that S1 might be carrying with it a hefty load of dark matter from the original dwarf galaxy. And they gave that baggage the snazzy name "dark matter hurricane."
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Old 11-19-18, 03:46 AM
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NASA releases a new promo video just in time for the launch of Northrop Grumman's Antares rocket and Cygnus cargo spacecraft from the Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia to the International Space Station, early Saturday, November 17th:



Antares Rocket Launches NASA Cargo to Space Station in Dazzling Predawn Liftoff

https://www.space.com/42463-antares-...gnus-ng10.html

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A Northrop Grumman Antares rocket lit up the predawn sky over Virginia Saturday (Nov. 17) to launch a privately built Cygnus spaceship filled with NASA supplies (and even some ice cream) to the International Space Station.

The Antares rocket soared into the clear, chilly skies over Virginia's Eastern Shore carrying an uncrewed Cygnus spacecraft filled with tons of science experiments, food and other vital supplies for the space station's crew. Liftoff occurred at 4:01 a.m. EST (0901 GMT) from Pad-0A of the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport here at NASA's Wallops Flight Facility after two days of delay due to bad weather.
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Tara Ruttley, NASA's associate chief scientist for microgravity research, said there's enough science gear for more than 250 different experiments designed by scientists and students on Earth.
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Today's launch of Antares and Cygnus comes just one day after another robotic cargo ship, Russia's Progress 71 vehicle, launched on its own mission to the space station. That mission launched nearly 3 tons of food, fuel and other supplies.

Progress 71 will arrive at the space station on Sunday (Nov. 18) with Cygnus to follow close behind Monday morning.
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You can watch the arrivals of Progress 71 and Cygnus live here, courtesy of NASA TV. NASA's Progress 71 webcast will begin Sunday at 1:45 p.m. EST (1845 GMT). The Cygnus NG-10 arrival webcast will begin at 4 a.m. EST (0900 GMT).
Hope NASA’s arrival coverage is a little clearer than Saturday’s launch on NASA’s Ustream:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/118305256
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Old 11-20-18, 08:54 AM
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Wait a minute. Is it 'Bill Nye, the badazz Science Guy'?



Or is it 'Bill Nye, the Party Pooper'?

Bill Nye Says Humans Will Never Live on Mars and Suggests Terraforming Advocates Are "High"

https://www.outerplaces.com/science/...s-colonization

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Bill Nye is many things – beloved educational figure, science celebrity, and the original Science Guy – but now he has a new role: Martian killjoy. Despite near-boundless optimism for the idea and ambitious plans made by NASA and SpaceX, Nye says that humans will never live permanently on Mars or raise families there. He also asked (rather candidly) whether those who advocate for terraforming Mars are on drugs.
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Old 11-20-18, 09:16 AM
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Wait a minute. Is it 'Bill Nye, the badazz Science Guy'?



Or is it 'Bill Nye, the Party Pooper'?

Bill Nye Says Humans Will Never Live on Mars and Suggests Terraforming Advocates Are "High"

https://www.outerplaces.com/science/...s-colonization
How this guy has become an icon of science is beyond me. Quoting Nye about anything to do with science would be like quoting Peter Sellers as Dr. Strangelove on the physics of nuclear weapons because he played a mad scientist in a movie.

Bill Nye is not a scientist plain & simple. His opinion on these matters is probably less informed then half the posters on Yappi.
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Old 11-20-18, 09:17 AM
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NASA releases a new promo video just in time for the launch of Northrop Grumman's Antares rocket and Cygnus cargo spacecraft from the Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia to the International Space Station, early Saturday, November 17th:



Antares Rocket Launches NASA Cargo to Space Station in Dazzling Predawn Liftoff

https://www.space.com/42463-antares-...gnus-ng10.html



Interestingly,



Also,



And, if you’re awake:



Hope NASA’s arrival coverage is a little clearer than Saturday’s launch on NASA’s Ustream:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/118305256

Thanks footballfan1795, some good stuff here!
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Old 11-20-18, 04:08 PM
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Nye is probably correct but not for the reasons he gives! I do not believe humans are capable of surviving outside of Earth for prolonged periods of time! It is too much change for the human psyche! Every single human that attempts it will eventually be driven insane! Not to mention the physical tolls!

Unless we find a world with the EXACT conditions of Earth, this is and will always be our only home!

That is, unless we genetically modify ourselves, in which case, the question would have to be asked, would those people still be human?!!
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Old 11-20-18, 05:08 PM
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Nye is probably correct but not for the reasons he gives! I do not believe humans are capable of surviving outside of Earth for prolonged periods of time! It is too much change for the human psyche! Every single human that attempts it will eventually be driven insane! Not to mention the physical tolls!

Unless we find a world with the EXACT conditions of Earth, this is and will always be our only home!

That is, unless we genetically modify ourselves, in which case, the question would have to be asked, would those people still be human?!!
I think you greatly underestimate the adaptability of the human race. If you consider the diversity of environments we've spread to and thrived in on Earth, living on Mars, the Moon or even the asteroids would not be such a big leap.

In the case of Mars large scale habitats will be key. As long as you can protect people from solar based radiation and have enough room to move around in we will do just fine out there.

As for human modification I suspect that it will consists of two vectors:

* We will change physiologically to adapt to living on Mars or the moon or in space. And this evolutionary change will happen much quicker the you might think. Consider the high altitude adaptability of the Tibetans or the low sun exposure of the Eskimos. I suspect that within just a few generations of living on Mars humans will have changed noticeably to adapt to conditions there. Ditto for living in space.

* I also believe that humans will alter there own genetics to adapt to living off earth. In addition implants and other surgical modifications will enable us to adapt to an even broader range of habitats.
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Old 11-20-18, 05:12 PM
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Naw I don't think it's impossible. Some people are just made to adapt and some people don't even like it here. They may go "nuts" by local standards but that may be just what they need to survive wherever. If there's plenty of mating going on, it'll work.
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Old 11-20-18, 06:39 PM
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Happy 20th birthday, ISS!

The first module of the International Space Station was launched twenty years ago today. It has been continuously occupied by humans for the past eighteen years.

Speed: approx. 17,500 mph. That's 15.5 orbits per day, which means 15.5 sunrises and 15.5 sunsets per day. That would take some getting used to!

Cost: approx. $150 billion (as of 2010...I'm sure it's MUCH higher by now). The most expensive single item ever constructed.

End-of-mission: anywhere between 2024 and 2030.

Quite an accomplishment of international cooperation.
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Old 11-20-18, 07:46 PM
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Happy 20th birthday, ISS!

The first module of the International Space Station was launched twenty years ago today. It has been continuously occupied by humans for the past eighteen years.

Speed: approx. 17,500 mph. That's 15.5 orbits per day, which means 15.5 sunrises and 15.5 sunsets per day. That would take some getting used to!

Cost: approx. $150 billion (as of 2010...I'm sure it's MUCH higher by now). The most expensive single item ever constructed.

End-of-mission: anywhere between 2024 and 2030.

Quite an accomplishment of international cooperation.


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Old 11-20-18, 10:17 PM
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I think you greatly underestimate the adaptability of the human race. If you consider the diversity of environments we've spread to and thrived in on Earth, living on Mars, the Moon or even the asteroids would not be such a big leap.

In the case of Mars large scale habitats will be key. As long as you can protect people from solar based radiation and have enough room to move around in we will do just fine out there.

As for human modification I suspect that it will consists of two vectors:

* We will change physiologically to adapt to living on Mars or the moon or in space. And this evolutionary change will happen much quicker the you might think. Consider the high altitude adaptability of the Tibetans or the low sun exposure of the Eskimos. I suspect that within just a few generations of living on Mars humans will have changed noticeably to adapt to conditions there. Ditto for living in space.

* I also believe that humans will alter there own genetics to adapt to living off earth. In addition implants and other surgical modifications will enable us to adapt to an even broader range of habitats.
What rubbish!! People struggle mightily to survive and keep their sanity once they cross certain latitude. Just look at the rate of suicide for people who live in the very far north! Going to Mars would ramp this effect up to 100!! No one has the psychological fortitude to handle such a scenario permanently. It's BEYOND human capability as we are now.

It goes far beyond simple radiation! The lack of gravity is a huge problem! The lack of connection to nature will be a huge, huge task to overcome...are we going to ship entire forests, meadows, lakes, and animals with us??!!

I'll reiterate. If we have to modify ourselves to survive on other worlds or in space itself, would those modified even be considered human? Would we be modifying ourselves into new species? If the goal is the survival of humanity, is this a real solution or just an illusion?
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Old 11-20-18, 10:19 PM
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Naw I don't think it's impossible. Some people are just made to adapt and some people don't even like it here. They may go "nuts" by local standards but that may be just what they need to survive wherever. If there's plenty of mating going on, it'll work.
Drivel. You should be embarrassed if this is an honest response.
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Old 11-20-18, 10:28 PM
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What rubbish!! People struggle mightily to survive and keep their sanity once they cross certain latitude. Just look at the rate of suicide for people who live in the very far north! Going to Mars would ramp this effect up to 100!! No one has the psychological fortitude to handle such a scenario permanently. It's BEYOND human capability as we are now.

It goes far beyond simple radiation! The lack of gravity is a huge problem! The lack of connection to nature will be a huge, huge task to overcome...are we going to ship entire forests, meadows, lakes, and animals with us??!!

I'll reiterate. If we have to modify ourselves to survive on other worlds or in space itself, would those modified even be considered human? Would we be modifying ourselves into new species? If the goal is the survival of humanity, is this a real solution or just an illusion?
Well...

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Old 11-21-18, 08:42 AM
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What rubbish!! People struggle mightily to survive and keep their sanity once they cross certain latitude. Just look at the rate of suicide for people who live in the very far north! Going to Mars would ramp this effect up to 100!! No one has the psychological fortitude to handle such a scenario permanently. It's BEYOND human capability as we are now.

It goes far beyond simple radiation! The lack of gravity is a huge problem! The lack of connection to nature will be a huge, huge task to overcome...are we going to ship entire forests, meadows, lakes, and animals with us??!!

I'll reiterate. If we have to modify ourselves to survive on other worlds or in space itself, would those modified even be considered human? Would we be modifying ourselves into new species? If the goal is the survival of humanity, is this a real solution or just an illusion?
You have very little evidence to support this overly broad statement. For example, tens of millions of people live & thrive in the very far north. And while there may be elevated cases of depression & suicide it still represents only a tiny fraction of those who exist in this harsh environment.

I agree that the first explorers to leave the earth will not be ordinary people in any conventional psychological sense. They will be like the early mountain men who lived isolated, hard lives in the wilderness for decades. A better example might be the crews of those first ships that went on multiyear journey's across the seven seas.

Or how about the crews of modern nuclear submarines? How long do they stay isolated from the rest of humanity? Think about the first European settlers to cross the Atlantic. The journey was long & hard but they made it and eventually thrived.

The lack of gravity can be overcome by the use of spinning modules while in space and last I checked Mars has gravity. Sure the descendants of the first Martian settlers will likely experience subtle and not so subtle physiological changes as the result of being born & raised in lower gravity. But they will still be human.

I also think you way overrate the importance of the connection to "nature". The people in Hong Kong & Manhattan do just fine thank you. And nature can be reproduced on the Moon or Mars through the use of green houses and other habitats.

And who says Mars doesn't have "nature". It's a strikingly beautiful world with storms and awe inspiring vistas. The fact you have to be suited up to experience it shouldn't take away from the experience any more then wearing diving gear takes away from the wonder of exploring a Caribbean reef.

And at some point habitats on the Moon & Mars will be so huge they will be able to recreate entire ecosystems under their domes.

Human beings are hard wired to explore and expand into new territory. I suspect it's a basic survival of the species trait. While all of your points will need to be considered they don't represent an insurmountable barrier to creating settlements off earth.
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Old 11-21-18, 06:31 PM
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What rubbish!! People struggle mightily to survive and keep their sanity once they cross certain latitude. Just look at the rate of suicide for people who live in the very far north! Going to Mars would ramp this effect up to 100!! No one has the psychological fortitude to handle such a scenario permanently. It's BEYOND human capability as we are now.
Max I think that another emerging technology that will do much to overcome some of these psychological issues you raise will be VR. Imagine how advanced VR will be in 25 years. They will be able to immerse off earth colonists in any natural environment you could imagine.

Much like a system of rigorous exercise can go a long way towards blunting the effects of low gravity on muscle mass, periodic VR immersions might also be part of any plan to maintain a persons peak mental health.
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Old 11-21-18, 06:53 PM
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Naw I don't think it's impossible. Some people are just made to adapt and some people don't even like it here. They may go "nuts" by local standards but that may be just what they need to survive wherever. If there's plenty of mating going on, it'll work.
Drivel. You should be embarrassed if this is an honest response.

Embarrassed? Why? I like mating. You should try it. You'll be less grumbly.
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Old 11-21-18, 11:48 PM
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You have very little evidence to support this overly broad statement. For example, tens of millions of people live & thrive in the very far north. And while there may be elevated cases of depression & suicide it still represents only a tiny fraction of those who exist in this harsh environment.

I agree that the first explorers to leave the earth will not be ordinary people in any conventional psychological sense. They will be like the early mountain men who lived isolated, hard lives in the wilderness for decades. A better example might be the crews of those first ships that went on multiyear journey's across the seven seas.

Or how about the crews of modern nuclear submarines? How long do they stay isolated from the rest of humanity? Think about the first European settlers to cross the Atlantic. The journey was long & hard but they made it and eventually thrived.

The lack of gravity can be overcome by the use of spinning modules while in space and last I checked Mars has gravity. Sure the descendants of the first Martian settlers will likely experience subtle and not so subtle physiological changes as the result of being born & raised in lower gravity. But they will still be human.

I also think you way overrate the importance of the connection to "nature". The people in Hong Kong & Manhattan do just fine thank you. And nature can be reproduced on the Moon or Mars through the use of green houses and other habitats.

And who says Mars doesn't have "nature". It's a strikingly beautiful world with storms and awe inspiring vistas. The fact you have to be suited up to experience it shouldn't take away from the experience any more then wearing diving gear takes away from the wonder of exploring a Caribbean reef.

And at some point habitats on the Moon & Mars will be so huge they will be able to recreate entire ecosystems under their domes.

Human beings are hard wired to explore and expand into new territory. I suspect it's a basic survival of the species trait. While all of your points will need to be considered they don't represent an insurmountable barrier to creating settlements off earth.

1. There are less than a million people total who live within the Arctic Circle. When compared to places with high suicide rates (ex. Baltic nations; non-Arctic Scandinavia), rates at those latitudes are twice as high. The conditions found in these places will be NOTHING compared to Mars, where people will not be able venture outside without a suit! Cabin fever will get those who don't succumb to depression!

2. The conditions mountain men faced are a Girl Scouts' camping trip compared what Mars will suffer people! Mountain men wouldn't suffocate just by walking outdoors! They had nature all around them! The sun beating on them, the wind rushing over them, and the knowledge of being out in the open, with animals around. These things are EXTREMELY important to the human psyche, and Mars missions look to be completely devoid of them! The closet environment we have on Earth is Antarctica and even that is more mild!!

3. There is some evidence that VR can help alleviate anxiety and depression, but it is preliminary and based only on a few studies that researched short-term affects. I am very skeptical that the mind will continue to be tricked by VR over many sessions. Genuineness is key. If the mind cannot be convinced that a VR nature experience is a real nature experience, it will not work as a substitute. In which case, we will have to completely rethink our extra-planetary bases and spaceships. Perhaps ship interior habitats that resemble this are closer to science reality than science fiction:



4. The comparison of living on Mars to large, urbanized cities is PREPOSTEROUS!!

5. Astronauts who spend just a few months in space at near-zero gravity report damage to their eyesight. Mars has 38% the gravity of Earth. Consider astronauts, presumably people in their mid-to-late 30s or early 40s, spending the REST OF THEIR LIVES at 38% Earth's gravity!! The harsh reality is colonists are likely to go BLIND after a few years!! We will not send ANYONE to Mars until we remedy this problem!

6. Mars has a LANDSCAPE, not nature.

7. Perhaps we will build such bases, but it seems to me the problem of gravity needs to be solved before we can even consider building massive CES bases!

8. Human beings are hardwired to explore, yes! But we are creatures of this planet, bound to those limitations physically.

You bring a lot hubris to this topic. Humans are not infinitely pliable, and we are certainly not gods. Perhaps a dose of humility is in order.
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Old 11-21-18, 11:51 PM
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1. There are less than a million people total who live within the Arctic Circle. When compared to places with high suicide rates (ex. Baltic nations; non-Arctic Scandinavia), rates at those latitudes are twice as high. The conditions found in these places will be NOTHING compared to Mars, where people will not be able venture outside without a suit! Cabin fever will get those who don't succumb to depression!

2. The conditions mountain men faced are a Girl Scouts' camping trip compared what Mars will suffer people! Mountain men wouldn't suffocate just by walking outdoors! They had nature all around them! The sun beating on them, the wind rushing over them, and the knowledge of being out in the open, with animals around. These things are EXTREMELY important to the human psyche, and Mars missions look to be completely devoid of them! The closet environment we have on Earth is Antarctica and even that is more mild!!

3. There is some evidence that VR can help alleviate anxiety and depression, but it is preliminary and based only on a few studies that researched short-term affects. I am very skeptical that the mind will continue to be tricked by VR over many sessions. Genuineness is key. If the mind cannot be convinced that a VR nature experience is a real nature experience, it will not work as a substitute. In which case, we will have to completely rethink our extra-planetary bases and spaceships. Perhaps ship interior habitats that resemble this are closer to science reality than science fiction:



4. The comparison of living on Mars to large, urbanized cities is PREPOSTEROUS!!

5. Astronauts who spend just a few months in space at near-zero gravity report damage to their eyesight. Mars has 38% the gravity of Earth. Consider astronauts, presumably people in their mid-to-late 30s or early 40s, spending the REST OF THEIR LIVES at 38% Earth's gravity!! The harsh reality is colonists are likely to go BLIND after a few years!! We will not send ANYONE to Mars until we remedy this problem!

6. Mars has a LANDSCAPE, not nature.

7. Perhaps we will build such bases, but it seems to me the problem of gravity needs to be solved before we can even consider building massive CES bases!

8. Human beings are hardwired to explore, yes! But we are creatures of this planet, bound to those limitations physically.

You bring a lot hubris to this topic. Humans are not infinitely pliable, and we are certainly not gods. Perhaps a dose of humility is in order.
This has NOTHING to do with hubris Max. One needs only to consider how far humanity has come to see that colonizing the solar system isn't a matter of IF but a matter of WHEN. It is inevitable because it's in our basic genetic nature to expand & explore. We couldn't stop it even if we wanted to.

We are a species who at one time numbered in the thousands (at most) and barely scratched a living out of a small slice of Africa while barely avoiding extinction. Today we are a world spanning mega civilization that numbers in the billions; has walked on the moon and sent probes to the furthest reaches of the solar system.

Sure Mars is more hostile then the arctic circle or the Rocky Mountains circa 1800. But the support our first Martian colonists will receive will dwarf anything the mountain men or arctic settlers had. Technology + the basic human desire to explore will overcome each and every hurdle you've called out.

And for the record a landscape is a part of nature and it can be just as inspiring. You talk as if living on Mars or the Moon would result in some form of mass desensitization. I think the opposite is true. For those who CHOOSE to do this they will have plenty of stimulation. And while they may at times long for a gentile ocean breeze while lounging on the beach their descendants will not miss those things in the least.
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