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View Poll Results: How many wins for the Tiger in 17
4 19 33.93%
6 14 25.00%
6 18 32.14%
10+ 5 8.93%
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Old 06-12-17, 06:46 AM
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Massillon Tigers 2017 Season

08/25 H Mentor
09/01 H Canton GlenOak
09/08 A Warren Warren G Harding
09/15 H Youngstown Ursuline
09/22 H Bedford
09/29 A Austintown Fitch
10/06 H Buffalo Canisius (NY)
10/13 H Akron Firestone
10/20 H Akron St. Vincent-St Mary
10/27 A Canton McKinley

As the season is rapidly approaching, there is the schedule before us. How is the third year under Nate Moore going to turn out for the Tigers? Our regular season record improved,but we had a head scratching home loss in the opening round of the playoffs. How will this year's team look after the loss of so much "talent" across the LOS? What will the defense look like under the direction of the new DC? Lots of questions to discuss leading up to another exciting year of Massillon Tiger football. Go Tigers!

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Old 06-12-17, 07:37 AM
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Well I think it's going to be a disaster but what does it matter? Coach's wife signed to a two-year extension for her job which would presumably mean that he will also be re-signed no matter what happens. Of course they throw money away up there like garbage so I guess I could be wrong. Wishing for the best but reality is reality.
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Old 06-12-17, 07:44 AM
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I'd vote for a number somewhere in that large gap between 6 and 10+.
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Old 06-12-17, 08:48 AM
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It's a tough schedule, so 10 seems like a stretch. I'd pick 6, or 6.
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Old 06-12-17, 08:57 AM
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I'm thinking a 3rd option for 6 may be the best.
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Old 06-12-17, 02:11 PM
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Yeah sorry fellas that second 6 was supposed to be an 8. Would edit the poll, but not sure you can or how
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Old 06-12-17, 06:03 PM
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Honestly, I believe the season will hinge upon how much improved the defense will be under new DC McConnell. Craig McConnell was a tremendous defensive back at Massillon and while he was a good athlete, what made him stand out on the field was the intelligence and heart he played with. Without a doubt we will see a more fundamentally sound defensive effort this year from the Tigers. We may not have a talent heavy roster, but we do have enough to be competitive in every game on the schedule. With an improved defense and hopefully Jamir toting the rock on offense, I am going to say that the Tigers are going to have a 7 game win total during the regular season. Go Tigers!
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Old 06-12-17, 06:52 PM
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4 wins.....if they are lucky.....$iss-$oor coach....
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Old 06-12-17, 07:21 PM
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Massillon Tigers 2017 Season

I like the addition of McConnell and the greater input of Mazur as a plus for this Tigers team. Cupps was just bad

Not sure what the win total will be for this Tigers squad but I expect them to exceed expectations.
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Old 06-12-17, 10:44 PM
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Always fun to follow, 7-3. Don't know about the playoffs, depends on their health this late in the season, and their opponents.
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Old 06-13-17, 01:47 PM
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6-4 - but make the playoffs and get bounced in the 1st round.
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Old 06-13-17, 10:29 PM
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6-4 - but make the playoffs and get bounced in the 1st round.
This can't be the end result for Nate Moore in his third year at the helm. It would be easier to stomach not making the playoffs,than to be embarrassed in the first round of the playoffs. There are plenty of people writing off Moore already as another failed, forced hire by the booster club "search committee". We know he's not the second coming of Rockne, but can he build upon last years regular season success? He was touted as a program building guru, he made Minster competitive in the MAC and a State Champion, he turned a never won nothing, doormat of a program in LaSalle into a perennial conteder in the GCLS and a multi time State Champion. When you think about it, that's pretty impressive?

So what is stunting the growth at Massillon? We have the pedigree, we have a beautiful stadium and facilities,great tradition, and a rabid supportive fan base. We should have no problem winning consistently at a very high level, especially in DII. Are the kids not fully invested, is the coach not fully invested?
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Old 06-14-17, 07:39 AM
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This can't be the end result for Nate Moore in his third year at the helm. It would be easier to stomach not making the playoffs,than to be embarrassed in the first round of the playoffs. There are plenty of people writing off Moore already as another failed, forced hire by the booster club "search committee". We know he's not the second coming of Rockne, but can he build upon last years regular season success? He was touted as a program building guru, he made Minster competitive in the MAC and a State Champion, he turned a never won nothing, doormat of a program in LaSalle into a perennial conteder in the GCLS and a multi time State Champion. When you think about it, that's pretty impressive?

So what is stunting the growth at Massillon? We have the pedigree, we have a beautiful stadium and facilities,great tradition, and a rabid supportive fan base. We should have no problem winning consistently at a very high level, especially in DII. Are the kids not fully invested, is the coach not fully invested?
I'd always taking making the playoffs over not making them 23.

As an outsider, the only problem I can see would be in the youth program. Moore was plenty successful elsewhere which tells me he's not the problem. The problem seems to be in the talent level. There's also a problem with unrealistic expectations by some of the faithful.
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Old 06-17-17, 02:05 AM
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So what is stunting the growth at Massillon? We have the pedigree, we have a beautiful stadium and facilities,great tradition, and a rabid supportive fan base. We should have no problem winning consistently at a very high level, especially in DII. Are the kids not fully invested, is the coach not fully invested?
Just from what I've heard on here, it's a coach (and primarily a former DC) trying to drop LaSalle's system onto Massillon without considering that even though Massillon has a ton of D1 talent, they're not going to have every single position perfected like LaSalle can with a huge recruiting pool. Inability to adjust. It led to a lot of a busted plays on the defensive side of the ball. That's pretty generic and take it with a grain of salt, but the best explanation I could come up with. I don't think it's that he doesn't care. Wakefield at Perry is one of the best examples of simplifying to win, even though his system is ancient and wouldn't be appropriate for Massillon.
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Old 06-17-17, 08:43 AM
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That's a great post and I think it's spot on jackson03.
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Old 06-19-17, 09:54 AM
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Wakefield at Perry is one of the best examples of simplifying to win, even though his system is ancient and wouldn't be appropriate for Massillon.
Why wouldn't it be appropriate for Massillon? Or do you mean it wouldn't be accepted at Massillon?
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Old 06-20-17, 08:35 PM
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This can't be the end result for Nate Moore in his third year at the helm. It would be easier to stomach not making the playoffs,than to be embarrassed in the first round of the playoffs. There are plenty of people writing off Moore already as another failed, forced hire by the booster club "search committee". We know he's not the second coming of Rockne, but can he build upon last years regular season success? He was touted as a program building guru, he made Minster competitive in the MAC and a State Champion, he turned a never won nothing, doormat of a program in LaSalle into a perennial conteder in the GCLS and a multi time State Champion. When you think about it, that's pretty impressive?

So what is stunting the growth at Massillon? We have the pedigree, we have a beautiful stadium and facilities,great tradition, and a rabid supportive fan base. We should have no problem winning consistently at a very high level, especially in DII. Are the kids not fully invested, is the coach not fully invested?
Teams in the area are better than Massillon. Perry has been state runner up two years in a row. Jackson has been very good in basketball and baseball. Also Akron SVSM and Akron Hoban get the best athletes in that area. Programs go up and down
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Old 06-20-17, 11:34 PM
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I'd also be careful in overreacting to the Dublin Scioto loss. Scioto had state semifinal appearances back when they were D1 and has regional finalist and semifinalist appearances in D2. Their 2016 team was by no means a powerhouse but those are kids who are used to winning. Everyone knows the Tiger defense was the problem and it's getting addressed -- many programs go years or decades without fixing simple problems to be competitive.

Sometimes I think the pedigree/history isn't as much of an asset anymore. These days players at Scioto (or Hudson, or heck even Akron East last year) can get a highlight reel on Twitter by halftime. That's the stuff that carries weight for kids. A booster club harping on about ancient history isn't going to do much to motivate anyone. And it definitely doesn't scare opponents anymore. Call it the ESPN-ification of high school sports.
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Old 06-22-17, 12:17 PM
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This can't be the end result for Nate Moore in his third year at the helm. It would be easier to stomach not making the playoffs,than to be embarrassed in the first round of the playoffs. There are plenty of people writing off Moore already as another failed, forced hire by the booster club "search committee". We know he's not the second coming of Rockne, but can he build upon last years regular season success? He was touted as a program building guru, he made Minster competitive in the MAC and a State Champion, he turned a never won nothing, doormat of a program in LaSalle into a perennial conteder in the GCLS and a multi time State Champion. When you think about it, that's pretty impressive?

So what is stunting the growth at Massillon? We have the pedigree, we have a beautiful stadium and facilities,great tradition, and a rabid supportive fan base. We should have no problem winning consistently at a very high level, especially in DII. Are the kids not fully invested, is the coach not fully invested?
Don't give Moore too much credit for LaSalle's success. They had the best talent the school has seen to date in the 2 years he was there. He had an exceptional sophomore class (that won their third title in a row last season) the year he won the title to complement talented Junior and Senior classes.

Also, I love how LaSalle is referred to as a "perennial doormat" prior to the recent run of success. A "Doormat" to league members Elder, Moeller and St. Xavier - teams most other schools don't even want to schedule. LaSalle's non-league record has always been strong, even in the "Doormat" years.

Moore got lucky and came to LaSalle at the right time. He and the wife got lucky a second time when you morons showed at his door with a big bag of money after he won the title.

Let's see if he gets lucky a third time when you guys decide to can him.
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Old 06-22-17, 01:09 PM
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Don't give Moore too much credit for LaSalle's success. They had the best talent the school has seen to date in the 2 years he was there. He had an exceptional sophomore class (that won their third title in a row last season) the year he won the title to complement talented Junior and Senior classes.

Also, I love how LaSalle is referred to as a "perennial doormat" prior to the recent run of success. A "Doormat" to league members Elder, Moeller and St. Xavier - teams most other schools don't even want to schedule. LaSalle's non-league record has always been strong, even in the "Doormat" years.

Moore got lucky and came to LaSalle at the right time. He and the wife got lucky a second time when you morons showed at his door with a big bag of money after he won the title.

Let's see if he gets lucky a third time when you guys decide to can him.
I think those of us that had nothing to do with hiring him have been saying the same thing. As much as this pains me I have to say that this post is spot on.
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Old 06-22-17, 07:34 PM
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Don't give Moore too much credit for LaSalle's success. They had the best talent the school has seen to date in the 2 years he was there. He had an exceptional sophomore class (that won their third title in a row last season) the year he won the title to complement talented Junior and Senior classes.

Also, I love how LaSalle is referred to as a "perennial doormat" prior to the recent run of success. A "Doormat" to league members Elder, Moeller and St. Xavier - teams most other schools don't even want to schedule. LaSalle's non-league record has always been strong, even in the "Doormat" years.

Moore got lucky and came to LaSalle at the right time. He and the wife got lucky a second time when you morons showed at his door with a big bag of money after he won the title.

Let's see if he gets lucky a third time when you guys decide to can him.
Moore was sought after by the famous "search committee". He was the proverbial "shiny new car" in Ohio high school football,but as Massillon is finding out he looks to be more shine than substance.

Extra, I respect what LaSalle has been able to accomplish the past couple of years, I really do. Especially how competitive they have been against the big boys of the GCLS and Colerain as of late, but when you were the doormat, beating Taft,Xenia,Butler, and Northmont ain't real impressive. LaSalle has come along way, just enjoy the run.
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Moore was sought after by the famous "search committee". He was the proverbial "shiny new car" in Ohio high school football,but as Massillon is finding out he looks to be more shine than substance.

Extra, I respect what LaSalle has been able to accomplish the past couple of years, I really do. Especially how competitive they have been against the big boys of the GCLS and Colerain as of late, but when you were the doormat, beating Taft,Xenia,Butler, and Northmont ain't real impressive. LaSalle has come along way, just enjoy the run.
Northmont beat LaSalle the last two times they played
( with the great Ben Martin for LaSalle ). One was a 42-7 beatdown.
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Don't give Moore too much credit for LaSalle's success. They had the best talent the school has seen to date in the 2 years he was there. He had an exceptional sophomore class (that won their third title in a row last season) the year he won the title to complement talented Junior and Senior classes.

Also, I love how LaSalle is referred to as a "perennial doormat" prior to the recent run of success. A "Doormat" to league members Elder, Moeller and St. Xavier - teams most other schools don't even want to schedule. LaSalle's non-league record has always been strong, even in the "Doormat" years.

Moore got lucky and came to LaSalle at the right time. He and the wife got lucky a second time when you morons showed at his door with a big bag of money after he won the title.

Let's see if he gets lucky a third time when you guys decide to can him.
They already did that when they hired him and his little lady.
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Old 06-14-17, 08:59 AM
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Lack of youth program
Unreasonable expectations
Meddling geriatric booster club
Felons connected to the program
OHSAA violations
Circus recruiting scandals

Please let me know when to stop.
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Old 06-15-17, 07:06 PM
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Lack of youth program
Unreasonable expectations
Meddling geriatric booster club
Felons connected to the program
OHSAA violations
Circus recruiting scandals

Please let me know when to stop.
I'd add lack of toughness and talent & it's pretty well covered
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Lack of youth program
Unreasonable expectations
Meddling geriatric booster club
Felons connected to the program
OHSAA violations
Circus recruiting scandals

Please let me know when to stop.
What about the purported problem with the location of the middle school?
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What about the purported problem with the location of the middle school?
Add it to the list.
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Lack of youth program
Are you talking about a pre-junior high program? Because there are plenty of successful high school teams that don't have that sort of youth program.
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Lack of youth program
Unreasonable expectations
Meddling geriatric booster club
Felons connected to the program
OHSAA violations
Circus recruiting scandals

Please let me know when to stop.
Sounds about right all things Massillon...
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Lack of youth program
I asked this earlier but didn't get an answer...

Does this refer to 'midget' football, like pre-junior high?
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