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Old 09-13-17, 01:12 PM
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Aside from the fact that the link to the list, doesn't work, this still doesn't substantiate their credentials. Architects are not qualified to make judgments in the area of structural engineering. If they were, we wouldn't need engineers.

I'm sure for every structural engineer who signed it, there are 10 who disagree with their claims.

While at Ohio State I had 2 structural engineering classes. We often discussed structural failures. The engineer teaching the class explained how and why the towers fell, and it wasn't by explosives.
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Old 09-13-17, 01:27 PM
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Did he explain why not one steel beam was standing ?
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Old 09-13-17, 01:29 PM
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How can you tell? There was literally a mountain of debri.
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Old 09-13-17, 02:03 PM
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Or when a the Steel beam felled, why didn't the steel beam fall like a tree ???

One 50 floor steel beam is about 640 ft long




I think there is only one way to get one nice pile rubble.......
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Old 09-13-17, 02:07 PM
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Did he explain why not one steel beam was standing ?
500K tons of building collapsing straight down......
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Old 09-13-17, 02:17 PM
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Or when a the Steel beam felled, why didn't the steel beam fall like a tree ???

One 50 floor steel beam is about 640 ft long




I think there is only one way to get one nice pile rubble.......
Well what you think is pretty much irrelevant. Unless you were on site and have a back ground in engineering. Structural and chemical.
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Old 09-13-17, 02:34 PM
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There's a youtube guy gneiss really likes who has a ponytail and wears a leather vest with no shirt. Really hoping we get to hear his thoughts on 9/11 before the thread runs its course.
Would you be surprised if that was actually gneiss himself?
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Old 09-13-17, 02:50 PM
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Or when a the Steel beam felled, why didn't the steel beam fall like a tree ???

One 50 floor steel beam is about 640 ft long




I think there is only one way to get one nice pile rubble.......
Not sure if you are being serious or sarcastic?

A building is not made up of one continuous beam (which would actually be a column) spanning from ground level to the top floor. Each floor is constructed of it's individual steel system and not connected to the next floor.
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Old 09-13-17, 03:18 PM
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Did he explain why not one steel beam was standing ?
Well beams run horizontally, columns stand.
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Old 09-13-17, 03:27 PM
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Ok please explain how a 640 ft column was not standing or did not fall like a tree ?
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Ok please explain how a 640 ft column was not standing or did not fall like a tree ?
What 640' beam or column? Are you saying the building is the column?
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Old 09-13-17, 03:32 PM
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Ok please explain how a 640 ft column was not standing or did not fall like a tree ?
As Beeman already explained. There were no 640' columns.
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Old 09-13-17, 03:34 PM
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I guess he don't understand sky scraper construction.
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Old 09-13-17, 03:38 PM
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Maybe this will help
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Old 09-13-17, 03:41 PM
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If each floor collapse onto the next it creates weight and shock. Imagine dropping a cinder block on concrete at a height of 8'. It will break in pieces, but at rest you can stack them pretty dang high without them crushing.
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Old 09-13-17, 03:57 PM
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If each floor collapse onto the next on I will give you that. The towers had columns holding
each floor ??
These columns were more than 640 ft long ?
Please explain how the columns were not standing after the collapse
and didn't not fall like a tree ????
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Old 09-13-17, 04:44 PM
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As Beeman already explained. There were no 640' columns.
Just imagine for a second the columns were continuous through the floors. That would be one heck of a permit load to get from the fabricator through NYC to the job site.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the curtain wall system. Aluminum plus rubber gaskets plus glass makes for one spectacular light show during a fire. Almost like the one short video of what some are claiming is molten steel pouring out of the building...
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Old 09-13-17, 05:37 PM
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This is still going on?
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Old 09-13-17, 05:39 PM
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If each floor collapse onto the next on I will give you that. The towers had columns holding
each floor ??
These columns were more than 640 ft long ?
Please explain how the columns were not standing after the collapse
and didn't not fall like a tree ????
Yes each floor has vertical beams (columns) that are attached to horizontal beams. The union at the horizontal and vertical beams has to be stronger than where the vertical beams attach to themselves. Hence the horizontal beams will drag the verticals down as the fall.
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Old 09-13-17, 05:54 PM
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If each floor collapse onto the next on I will give you that. The towers had columns holding
each floor ??
These columns were more than 640 ft long ?
Please explain how the columns were not standing after the collapse
and didn't not fall like a tree ????

You've got 2 problems here which need addressing.

1: You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of what buildings are and how they are built.

2: You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of what sentences are and how they are written.
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Old 09-13-17, 08:45 PM
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When I first realized something was not right with the official story is when I looked at WTC 7. The building supposedly collapsed from sporadic fires, a concentrated fire from a diesel generator storage tank and a damaged beam.
The building had a instant collapse with over 2 seconds of full free fall acceleration. To me no matter what type of fuel or heat you could possibly create would ever have the building go like that unless all columns were simultaneously compromised equally. A asymmetrical fire and a symmetrical collapse do not add up. The heating and bending of the support columns and beams would cause more of a lean and gradual failing of the structure and not a instant collapse.

It is hard for many to come to this realization, but if a person looks at both sides thoroughly and objectively I feel most will come to the same conclusion. We need to look at certain things with a critical eye... I think we owe it to the 58,000 of our own and maybe a million others who were sacrificed by our government in the last major false flag ... can you feel the ongoing beat of propaganda for war and profit or have you become immune?
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Old 09-13-17, 08:53 PM
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You are misinformed and you are WRONG
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Old 09-13-17, 08:59 PM
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You are misinformed and you are WRONG
About what?
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Old 09-13-17, 09:11 PM
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When I first realized something was not right with the official story is when I looked at WTC 7. The building supposedly collapsed from sporadic fires, a concentrated fire from a diesel generator storage tank and a damaged beam.
The building had a instant collapse with over 2 seconds of full free fall acceleration. To me no matter what type of fuel or heat you could possibly create would ever have the building go like that unless all columns were simultaneously compromised equally. A asymmetrical fire and a symmetrical collapse do not add up. The heating and bending of the support columns and beams would cause more of a lean and gradual failing of the structure and not a instant collapse.

It is hard for many to come to this realization, but if a person looks at both sides thoroughly and objectively I feel most will come to the same conclusion. We need to look at certain things with a critical eye... I think we owe it to the 58,000 of our own and maybe a million others who were sacrificed by our government in the last major false flag ... can you feel the ongoing beat of propaganda for war and profit or have you become immune?
You really should read the engineering analysis. What you believe is akin to a Dan Brown novel, a few reasonable assumptions with a smattering of logical fallacies that could be true leading to a conclusion that is patently false.
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Old 09-14-17, 01:08 AM
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I never realized Gneiss was such a nutjob.
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Old 09-14-17, 06:56 AM
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Looking forward to day 3 of this. Will gneiss address anyone's counter points? Doesn't seem likely.
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Old 09-14-17, 07:25 AM
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When I first realized something was not right with the official story is when I looked at WTC 7. The building supposedly collapsed from sporadic fires, a concentrated fire from a diesel generator storage tank and a damaged beam.
The building had a instant collapse with over 2 seconds of full free fall acceleration. To me no matter what type of fuel or heat you could possibly create would ever have the building go like that unless all columns were simultaneously compromised equally. A asymmetrical fire and a symmetrical collapse do not add up. The heating and bending of the support columns and beams would cause more of a lean and gradual failing of the structure and not a instant collapse
.

It is hard for many to come to this realization, but if a person looks at both sides thoroughly and objectively I feel most will come to the same conclusion. We need to look at certain things with a critical eye... I think we owe it to the 58,000 of our own and maybe a million others who were sacrificed by our government in the last major false flag ... can you feel the ongoing beat of propaganda for war and profit or have you become immune?
Yeah, you really should read the engineering analysis.

"The building supposedly collapsed from sporadic fires, a concentrated fire from a diesel generator storage tank and a damaged beam." Wrong & Wrong

"To me no matter what type of fuel or heat you could possibly create would ever have the building go like that unless all columns were simultaneously compromised equally" Wrong

"The heating and bending of the support columns and beams would cause more of a lean and gradual failing of the structure and not a instant collapse" Wrong
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Old 09-14-17, 09:51 AM
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If each floor collapse onto the next on I will give you that. The towers had columns holding
each floor ??
These columns were more than 640 ft long ?
Please explain how the columns were not standing after the collapse
and didn't not fall like a tree ????

THese buildings are designed that way, so that if something DOES go wrong, it doesn't topple over into other buildings. It falls straight down. It pancakes. There is no one continous column, even if they could manufacturer it. You want it to break, to keep the pancake. No break, you get torgue and it topples. I would imagine one continuos column would also concentrate lateral forces into a specfic spot. This would be bad in the event of high wind or earthquake. You want those forces to distribute, probably at floor joists.
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Old 09-14-17, 10:04 AM
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If each floor collapse onto the next it creates weight and shock. Imagine dropping a cinder block on concrete at a height of 8'. It will break in pieces, but at rest you can stack them pretty dang high without them crushing.

So you are saying:

The columns were standing (pick a floor) I pick the 75th floor.

The columns were standing on 75th floor,
The floors above the 75th floor collapsed on to 75th floor
Causing the 75th floor to collapse.
The above 75t floors went straight down because the columns on 75th floor were still standing.
IS this correct ?

Please edit if this is not correct…..
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Old 09-14-17, 10:49 AM
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No. You're a moron.

Edit that if you want.
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