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Old 01-14-16, 08:48 PM
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NBC dominos falling into expanded Federal League?

NBC dominos falling into expanded Federal League?
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The news coming from Louisville is that there is serious discussions about the Leopards joining the Federal League in a two-tiered conference set-up leaving the NBC behind. Louisville has no viable option as their hand is being forced to try and move this into a reality.

The Federal League would could possibly have following teams in the not to distant future....
Note- I'm including Massillon Washington for arguments sake as they have been brought up in discussions as a school looking for a league affiliation. The Tigers are added here but not scheduled as a football opponent in league games because there are 11 teams, they do not fit the 5 team, two-tier system for football..

(alphabetical order)
Canton GlenOak...........702 boys, 682 girls
Canton McKinley.........1056 boys, 988 girls
Dover..........................360 boys, 305 girls
Louisville.....................351 boys, 338 girls
Massillon Jackson.........749 boys, 756 girls
Massillon Perry.............568 boys, 486 girls
Massillon Washington...511 boys, 403 girls
New Philadelphia..........316 boys, 306 girls
North Canton Hoover....584 boys, 502 girls
Uniontown Green.........512 boys, 476 girls
Uniontown Lake...........447 boys, 412 girls

The enrollment figures are based on the number of students in grades 9, 10 and 11 with athletic participation opportunities as of October 31, 2014.

(Ranked by number of boys)
Canton McKinley.........1056 boys, 988 girls
Massillon Jackson.........749 boys, 756 girls
Canton GlenOak...........702 boys, 682 girls
North Canton Hoover....584 boys, 502 girls
Massillon Perry.............568 boys, 486 girls
Uniontown Green.........512 boys, 476 girls
Massillon Washington...511 boys, 403 girls
Uniontown Lake...........447 boys, 412 girls
Dover..........................360 boys, 305 girls
Louisville.....................351 boys, 338 girls
New Philadelphia..........316 boys, 306 girls

(Federal League Football 'A')
Canton McKinley.........1056 boys, 988 girls
Massillon Jackson.........749 boys, 756 girls
Canton GlenOak...........702 boys, 682 girls
North Canton Hoover....584 boys, 502 girls
Massillon Perry.............568 boys, 486 girls

(Federal League Football 'B')
Uniontown Green.........512 boys, 476 girls
Uniontown Lake...........447 boys, 412 girls
Dover..........................360 boys, 305 girls
Louisville.....................351 boys, 338 girls
New Philadelphia..........316 boys, 306 girls

My opinion is that the conference needs Louisville and Massillon (for football at some point in the future) and now needs Dover and New Philadelphia for the 'B' tier to compensate needs of Green and Lake to make such a move.

Is it going to happen...your thoughts?
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Old 01-14-16, 08:56 PM
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NBC dominos falling into expanded Federal League?
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The news coming from Louisville is that there is serious discussions about the Leopards joining the Federal League in a two-tiered conference set-up leaving the NBC behind. Louisville has no viable option as their hand is being forced by to try and move this into a reality.

The Federal League would could possibly have following teams in the not to distant future....
Note- I'm including Massillon Washington for arguments sake as they have been brought up in discussions as a school looking for a league affiliation. The Tigers are added here but not scheduled as a football opponent in league games because there are 11 teams, they do not fit the 5 team, two-tier system for football..

(alphabetical order)
Canton GlenOak...........702 boys, 682 girls
Canton McKinley.........1056 boys, 988 girls
Dover..........................360 boys, 305 girls
Louisville.....................351 boys, 338 girls
Massillon Jackson.........749 boys, 756 girls
Massillon Perry.............568 boys, 486 girls
Massillon Washington...511 boys, 403 girls
New Philadelphia..........316 boys, 306 girls
North Canton Hoover....584 boys, 502 girls
Uniontown Green.........512 boys, 476 girls
Uniontown Lake...........447 boys, 412 girls

The enrollment figures are based on the number of students in grades 9, 10 and 11 with athletic participation opportunities as of October 31, 2014.

(Ranked by number of boys)
Canton McKinley.........1056 boys, 988 girls
Massillon Jackson.........749 boys, 756 girls
Canton GlenOak...........702 boys, 682 girls
North Canton Hoover....584 boys, 502 girls
Massillon Perry.............568 boys, 486 girls
Uniontown Green.........512 boys, 476 girls
Massillon Washington...511 boys, 403 girls
Uniontown Lake...........447 boys, 412 girls
Dover..........................360 boys, 305 girls
Louisville.....................351 boys, 338 girls
New Philadelphia..........316 boys, 306 girls

(Federal League Football 'A')
Canton McKinley.........1056 boys, 988 girls
Massillon Jackson.........749 boys, 756 girls
Canton GlenOak...........702 boys, 682 girls
North Canton Hoover....584 boys, 502 girls
Massillon Perry.............568 boys, 486 girls

(Federal League Football 'B')
Uniontown Green.........512 boys, 476 girls
Uniontown Lake...........447 boys, 412 girls
Dover..........................360 boys, 305 girls
Louisville.....................351 boys, 338 girls
New Philadelphia..........316 boys, 306 girls

My opinion is that the conference needs Louisville and Massillon (for football at some point in the future) and now needs Dover and New Philadelphia for the 'B' tier to compensate needs of Green and Lake to make such a move.

Is it going to happen...your thoughts?
No.
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Old 01-14-16, 11:24 PM
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Possibly, but not with Massillon.
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Old 01-15-16, 12:08 AM
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Possibly, but not with Massillon.
Agreed. Aside from KW's views and leaving Mass/Perry out of the discussion... makes too much sense for the small D3's not to jump at the chance to play much larger D1's from an enrollment, demographic, and competitive standpoint. That's if the McKinley's, GO's, Jacksons et al, would be willing to play schools a fraction of their size. That is asking a lot. Maybe you could snag a Tuslaw or Fairless?
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Old 01-15-16, 06:08 AM
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Nope.
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Old 01-15-16, 07:43 AM
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Wooster should jump at the chance to play in the "small school" Federal League.
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Old 01-15-16, 08:14 AM
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NBC dominos falling into expanded Federal League?
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The news coming from Louisville is that there is serious discussions about the Leopards joining the Federal League in a two-tiered conference set-up leaving the NBC behind. Louisville has no viable option as their hand is being forced to try and move this into a reality............


(Federal League Football 'A')
Canton McKinley.........1056 boys, 988 girls
Massillon Jackson.........749 boys, 756 girls
Canton GlenOak...........702 boys, 682 girls
North Canton Hoover....584 boys, 502 girls
Massillon Perry.............568 boys, 486 girls

(Federal League Football 'B')
Uniontown Green.........512 boys, 476 girls
Uniontown Lake...........447 boys, 412 girls
Dover..........................360 boys, 305 girls
Louisville.....................351 boys, 338 girls
New Philadelphia..........316 boys, 306 girls

My opinion is that the conference needs Louisville and Massillon (for football at some point in the future) and now needs Dover and New Philadelphia for the 'B' tier to compensate needs of Green and Lake to make such a move.

Is it going to happen...your thoughts?
Add Mass.Washington, Stow, and Wadsworth to your A league and I really like it. If they ever actually grow a set in Green-town, sub them in as alternate.
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Old 01-15-16, 08:37 AM
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.... If they ever actually grow a set in Green-town, sub them in as alternate.


Green is already a member.

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Old 01-15-16, 08:40 AM
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Green is already a member.

:>---

Successful = ALT
I think he meant for the A tier. Much fewer D1/D2 options than all these small school scenarios.

It is difficult to build/grow the league when, save GO imo, several others are adamant about not making the schedule any harder if humanly possible. Have to look small.
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Old 01-15-16, 08:48 AM
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Stow and Wadsworth already balked at joining schools to the south.....so why bring them up, do you really think either has had a change of heart? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

and massilooony they will tell you they are not interested in this league - so spare us all the BLAH BLAH with even mentioning them.

as far as adding Dover New Philly and Louisville? I think that would be fantastic. Wooster? I am sure there would be an interest 407 -386 would seat them firmly in the middle of the lower tier and moving to a 6 and 6 set up in tiers would be better than 5 and 5. (I hate tiers.)
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Wooster should jump at the chance to play in the "small school" Federal League.
^^this is more likely, than adding Massillon. The Fed is beneath Massillon and certain people will never allow them in. Besides, Wooster has already been a league member and there is familiarity...
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Old 01-15-16, 09:02 AM
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"leagues" are idiotic lol

all they are, are arrangements to make the job of Athletic Director easier.

other than that? a joke.
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Old 01-15-16, 09:05 AM
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"leagues" are idiotic lol

all they are, are arrangements to make the job of Athletic Director easier.

other than that? a joke.
This pains me. Immensely. But he's spot on. That's why Ridgely was so willing to take out the trash for the Fed. Because then he would have had to do less than he was already doing. Which was close to nothing.
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Old 01-15-16, 09:17 AM
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DUMB, as a GlenOak fan , why would we want this? I would LOVE to have Louisville in the FED but why would the league completely restructure to get that done? If the Ville wants in great but other than Massillon that's the only teams that would improve the league.
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Old 01-15-16, 09:34 AM
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"leagues" are idiotic lol

all they are, are arrangements to make the job of Athletic Director easier.

other than that? a joke.
Every coach at Massillon would kill to be in a league. It sets goals beyond "state or bust" every year. The athletes get recognized with all league teams.

You don't understand competitive athletics so I wouldn't expect you to get it.
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Old 01-15-16, 09:37 AM
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NP and Wooster ran away as fast as they could. Why would anyone think they are coming back? Timken has as much chance of returning.

Add Louisville and Massillon and be done.

Two tiers sucks. The Fed has been there, done that and it imploded...like most tiered leagues eventually do.
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DUMB, as a GlenOak fan , why would we want this? I would LOVE to have Louisville in the FED but why would the league completely restructure to get that done? If the Ville wants in great but other than Massillon that's the only teams that would improve the league.
Agreed. No offense but honestly McKinley and GO seem to be teetering on "fit", given McKinley's enrollment spike and GO's goals in D1 (and recent transfer criticisms). JMO but many options open up minus you 2. I don't think it would come to that but the notion would at least be on my radar. Jackson on the other hand would have no problem being the big school in a smaller school league. Ditto Perry/Hoover but their enrollments are at least closer to the ballpark.
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I'll give you credit Y2h. I know you don't like Massillon and most the posters but are one of the few Hoover/Perry/Jackson honks with the balls to have that position.
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Old 01-15-16, 10:16 AM
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Every coach at Massillon would kill to be in a league. It sets goals beyond "state or bust" every year. The athletes get recognized with all league teams.

You don't understand competitive athletics so I wouldn't expect you to get it.
Totally disagree. I've NEVER talked to a coach at Massillon that gave a rat's about a league, Federal or not. As I mentioned earlier, Ridgely was willing to take out the trash to get into the Fed so he didn't have to actually do his job by making phone calls to construct a schedule.

I'm telling you this is what you non-Massillon people don't understand. Leagues don't mean anything. Believe me.
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Old 01-15-16, 10:28 AM
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Totally disagree. I've NEVER talked to a coach at Massillon that gave a rat's about a league, Federal or not. As I mentioned earlier, Ridgely was willing to take out the trash to get into the Fed so he didn't have to actually do his job by making phone calls to construct a schedule.

I'm telling you this is what you non-Massillon people don't understand. Leagues don't mean anything. Believe me.
Then why are 85-90% of schools in the state in Leagues? Is Massillon just that much smarter than everyone else?

I agree that it gives the kids something else to work for when a State Title doesn't seem to be a viable scenario (this is including all sports).
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Then why are 85-90% of schools in the state in Leagues? Is Massillon just that much smarter than everyone else?

I agree that it gives the kids something else to work for when a State Title doesn't seem to be a viable scenario (this is including all sports).
You brought up a good point. In all other sports than football it's a good idea. I've said that before. I guess my point is if the right league came along Massillon would probably be for it. My perception tells me there is so much history and bad blood with the Fed that it isn't viable. My opinion.
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Old 01-15-16, 11:15 AM
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You must be getting Tigerlbitis Egret, lol. That is old Massillon thinking. Leagues are grouping similar size schools geographically, builds rivalries, fan support, revenue. You may be correct in your other point as far as fit/bad blood/history. I probably would not favor a 10 or more type league though. Still want to keep some traditional rivals and options.
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Then why are 85-90% of schools in the state in Leagues? Is Massillon just that much smarter than everyone else?

I agree that it gives the kids something else to work for when a State Title doesn't seem to be a viable scenario (this is including all sports).
I didn't say it doesn't make sense to be in a league for the purpose of saving tons of money in scheduling etc.

but that's the only real benefit. its not about "prestige" or any of that nonsense.

It makes perfect sense to save $300,000/year in scheduling and travel expenses. all extracurricular activities included in the ease of scheduling etc.
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This pains me. Immensely. But he's spot on. That's why Ridgely was so willing to take out the trash for the Fed. Because then he would have had to do less than he was already doing. Which was close to nothing.
Leagues are quite a bit tougher for you guys. Let's be honest here.

The usual disparity in competitiveness between football and your other sports can be absurd. Then, there is the fact that a large portion of your fans hate everybody and don't hesitate to act that way. Hard for a school to be a "good league citizen" under those circumstances.
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Leagues are quite a bit tougher for you guys. Let's be honest here.

The usual disparity in competitiveness between football and your other sports can be absurd. Then, there is the fact that a large portion of your fans hate everybody and don't hesitate to act that way. Hard for a school to be a "good league citizen" under those circumstances.
misplaced arrogance is expensive. (but remember, the Massillon faithful still believe that the football program "generates net revenue"

although the total gate barely covers the Head coach and his wife's salaries.

the recent $377,000 spent on walkways plus the HC and Wife package ate up the entire gate for the last two years.


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Agreed. Aside from KW's views and leaving Mass/Perry out of the discussion... makes too much sense for the small D3's not to jump at the chance to play much larger D1's from an enrollment, demographic, and competitive standpoint. That's if the McKinley's, GO's, Jacksons et al, would be willing to play schools a fraction of their size. That is asking a lot. Maybe you could snag a Tuslaw or Fairless?
They're both 2 divisions smaller than the smallest potential Fed League school and shrinking. Why in the world would they leave the PAC to get beat on by much larger schools? Wooster is the better option, IMO.
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misplaced arrogance is expensive. (but remember, the Massillon faithful still believe that the football program "generates net revenue"

although the total gate barely covers the Head coach and his wife's salaries.

the recent $377,000 spent on walkways plus the HC and Wife package ate up the entire gate for the last two years.


That's why most coaches only get paid only 10-12,000 on average the wulffie I mean tlb
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The total spent on all extracurriculars district wide for one year consumes the entire football gate for 6 years.



so much for the BS that the "program" pays for itself blah blah blah it does not never did, never can. but these people swallow it hook line and sinker along with a lot of other BS.
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Stow and Wadsworth already balked at joining schools to the south.....so why bring them up, do you really think either has had a change of heart? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

and massilooony they will tell you they are not interested in this league - so spare us all the BLAH BLAH with even mentioning them.

as far as adding Dover New Philly and Louisville? I think that would be fantastic. Wooster? I am sure there would be an interest 407 -386 would seat them firmly in the middle of the lower tier and moving to a 6 and 6 set up in tiers would be better than 5 and 5. (I hate tiers.)
Stow and Wadsworth had a far better league opportunity in the top tier of the Suburban than they had in joining the Fed. DUH!! You obviously forgot THAT part! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

The 2 tier Suburban is too widespread in talent and/or size for many in the middle overall. Highland and Aurora, playing small, weak schools, are finding that they have to be nearly perfect to get a home playoff game. Nordonia, T'burg and Brecksville are trending away from Wads and Stow in terms of numbers. Royalton doesn't compete proportional to their numbers. The bigger schools in the small side and the smaller schools in the big side are going to break away and form a new league. This will leave Stow and Wads hanging.

If they're smart, they'll both be proactive. Stow, for sure. Wads could end up being the southernmost team in some "Big West" with Medina, Brunswick, Strongsville, Berea-Midpark, etc combination, but Stow will be screwed.
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That's why most coaches only get paid only 10-12,000 on average the wulffie I mean tlb
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and most of them actually teach. I would imagine.
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