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Old 10-30-17, 04:25 PM
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Old 10-30-17, 07:32 PM
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I can only think of a rare few players with Coach K who's had any issues, and I don't know if you're counting Kyrie or not, because I'm not? I just don't see the UK players the same way. One the entrance requirements are much less at UK, many of their players (one and dones) don't even go to class the year they are in college. Cal flaunts this culture and is only concerned with getting them pro contracts. The few that make it, fine, but what about the others?
Pretty sure entrance for both schools pertaining to basketball is about the same. Flat earth Kyrie was accepted lol

Also I'm sure the NCAA would love the proof you have of them not attending class. Not sure they would do anything with it because UNC taught everyone how to get away with it but I'm sure they'd love to know
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Old 10-30-17, 08:48 PM
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I can only think of a rare few players with Coach K who's had any issues, and I don't know if you're counting Kyrie or not, because I'm not? I just don't see the UK players the same way. One the entrance requirements are much less at UK, many of their players (one and dones) don't even go to class the year they are in college. Cal flaunts this culture and is only concerned with getting them pro contracts. The few that make it, fine, but what about the others?
What in my post could have possibly given you the idea I was talking about Kyrie? One, so what? Duke is one of the better schools. It's not like UK is community college entrance standards, you don't know that. He really doesn't. He recruits the best possible talent, which is what basketball coaches are supposed to do. The others get their education paid for then go and find a job or play overseas.
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Old 10-31-17, 08:22 AM
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Pretty sure entrance for both schools pertaining to basketball is about the same. Flat earth Kyrie was accepted lol

Also I'm sure the NCAA would love the proof you have of them not attending class. Not sure they would do anything with it because UNC taught everyone how to get away with it but I'm sure they'd love to know
The NCAA can't do anything about it. They are only punished for not going to class at the end of the school year. Basketball is over by mid 2nd semester. I would think the COACHES would have more to WANTING more for these kids than just handing them the slim possibility they'll make it playing basketball. The world is upside down these days. Most kids playing basketball and UK and Duke don't play pro basketball. I really can't believe I have to explain this concept.
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Old 10-31-17, 08:44 AM
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The NCAA can't do anything about it. They are only punished for not going to class at the end of the school year. Basketball is over by mid 2nd semester. I would think the COACHES would have more to WANTING more for these kids than just handing them the slim possibility they'll make it playing basketball. The world is upside down these days. Most kids playing basketball and UK and Duke don't play pro basketball. I really can't believe I have to explain this concept.
What % of kids at UK and Duke do you think play pro basketball? I'd say 75% or more play professionally and out earn the top 1% of recent college grads from both schools.
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And as taco said the ones that don't have a shot finish and get a degree or go to Europe and make good money. Let's just be real, for a lot of these kids basketball is their best shot at making it.

Also ever think to consider the ones who don't make it big in the NBA still will likely have made enough money on their first contract to go back to school and pay for a degree if they so choose. Or they can go to Europe and make good money.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saranya.../#3c1f814756e6
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An engineering degree from a large public school, on the other hand:

(Table attached)

In 2013, a 4 year engineering degree is worth sround 1.2 million in leftime earnings. That same year in 2013, a first round pick was guaranteed 1.8 million. So in roughly 2 years that basketball made over a lifetime of earnings compared to a 4 year engineering degree.

Yes not all of them will make it like John Wall, but they don't have to considering the guaranteed money, ability to go back to college once finished with a pro career, and they have the option to play in Europe. Cal's and K's players are much better off than the average student.
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What % of kids at UK and Duke do you think play pro basketball? I'd say 75% or more play professionally and out earn the top 1% of recent college grads from both schools.
Although lately it seems like they all do, I'd guess it's in the 30-40% range. Remember those last 4-5 guys on the bench are on the team as well...
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Old 10-31-17, 03:04 PM
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And as taco said the ones that don't have a shot finish and get a degree or go to Europe and make good money. Let's just be real, for a lot of these kids basketball is their best shot at making it.

Also ever think to consider the ones who don't make it big in the NBA still will likely have made enough money on their first contract to go back to school and pay for a degree if they so choose. Or they can go to Europe and make good money.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saranya.../#3c1f814756e6
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An engineering degree from a large public school, on the other hand:

(Table attached)

In 2013, a 4 year engineering degree is worth sround 1.2 million in leftime earnings. That same year in 2013, a first round pick was guaranteed 1.8 million. So in roughly 2 years that basketball made over a lifetime of earnings compared to a 4 year engineering degree.

Yes not all of them will make it like John Wall, but they don't have to considering the guaranteed money, ability to go back to college once finished with a pro career, and they have the option to play in Europe. Cal's and K's players are much better off than the average student.
What if they don't want to go to Europe, what if they get hurt...stop feeding this silly notion that this is a legitimate way to earn a living. It's a lottery ticket for .0001% of high schoolers. What about the 99.9% that don't make it to the NBA. You guys are worse than the kids. For every John Wall, there is 1,000's of kids who live this "dream" and end up with nothing, zero, nada!! What a shame that they had a college education in their hands and frittered it away?? I think each generation gets worse with this.
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Old 10-31-17, 03:17 PM
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Although lately it seems like they all do, I'd guess it's in the 30-40% range. Remember those last 4-5 guys on the bench are on the team as well...
You are incorrect. Look at the 2012-2013 and 2013-14 Duke Teams. There were 3 kids on those two teams that did not play either NBA, D/G-League or overseas. One former walk on who earned a scholarship, one walk on and Tyler Thornton. 14/17 player some form of pro ball. 82.4%

I went with those teams because the following year (14-15) still have current players.
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Old 10-31-17, 03:21 PM
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What if they don't want to go to Europe, what if they get hurt...stop feeding this silly notion that this is a legitimate way to earn a living. It's a lottery ticket for .0001% of high schoolers. What about the 99.9% that don't make it to the NBA. You guys are worse than the kids. For every John Wall, there is 1,000's of kids who live this "dream" and end up with nothing, zero, nada!! What a shame that they had a college education in their hands and frittered it away?? I think each generation gets worse with this.
Then they don't go to Europe.

It's gotten to the point where you don't know what you're talking about again and just rambling on about a bunch of non sense. There are very, very few guys each year who leave college without a degree and don't end up signing an NBA contract. Even a minimum contract for an UDFA will be more than enough to go back to college and pay for it.
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Old 10-31-17, 03:40 PM
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What if they don't want to go to Europe, what if they get hurt...stop feeding this silly notion that this is a legitimate way to earn a living. It's a lottery ticket for .0001% of high schoolers. What about the 99.9% that don't make it to the NBA. You guys are worse than the kids. For every John Wall, there is 1,000's of kids who live this "dream" and end up with nothing, zero, nada!! What a shame that they had a college education in their hands and frittered it away?? I think each generation gets worse with this.
Okay, I'm calling BS. How many UK or Duke basketball players earn no income playing professional basketball?
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Old 10-31-17, 04:12 PM
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Nice road win for the Sixers last night in Houston. Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid are the real deal folks. No JJ Redick but still got the job done. Houston, even without CP3, still a veteran team and our young pups took them down. Forget the Fultz situation, we've not had a top first round pick play for years anyway, so Fultz is actually ahead of our recent draftees. Now we get to play some of the middle range NBA teams, had a pretty tough schedule for the first 7 games.
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Okay, I'm calling BS. How many UK or Duke basketball players earn no income playing professional basketball?
Using 2012 as it is the first year where we can be sure all players are no longer college eligible.

Kentucky roster
Darius Miller
Terrence Jones
Jarrod Polson
Twany Beckham
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Doron Lamb
Anthony Davis
Marquis Teague
Eloy Vargas
Brian Long
Kyle Wiltjer
Jon Hood
Ryan Harrow
Sam Malone

Bold = played professionally

So 9/14 or 64% played professionally

and for what it's worth, 4/5 who didn't play professionally graduated.

So it seems like 14red doesn't know what he's talking about as usual.
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Old 10-31-17, 06:36 PM
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Although lately it seems like they all do, I'd guess it's in the 30-40% range. Remember those last 4-5 guys on the bench are on the team as well...
You think only 30% of UK and Duke players play professional basketball of some kind?
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How many music or voice or drama or art college majors make a living in those careers?
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I’m sure at least a handful of guys play overseas as well. You can’t fix dumb.
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Using 2012 as it is the first year where we can be sure all players are no longer college eligible.

Kentucky roster
Darius Miller
Terrence Jones
Jarrod Polson
Twany Beckham
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Doron Lamb
Anthony Davis
Marquis Teague
Eloy Vargas
Brian Long
Kyle Wiltjer
Jon Hood
Ryan Harrow
Sam Malone

Bold = played professionally

So 9/14 or 64% played professionally

and for what it's worth, 4/5 who didn't play professionally graduated.

So it seems like 14red doesn't know what he's talking about as usual.
Or cherry picking one UK team who happened to push the numbers up? This was a very unusual team.
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2012 Duke

Austin Rivers
Quinn Cook
Tyler Thorton
Mason Plumlee
Alex Murphy
Michael Gbinjee
Josh Hairston
Andre Dawkins
Miles Plumlee
Seth Curry
Ryan Kelly
Todd Zafirovski
Marshall Plumlee

10/13 or 77% played professionally
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Old 11-01-17, 04:47 PM
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2013-2014

Willie Cauley-Stein- 1st round Kings
EJ Floreal- walk on
Andrew Harrison- Grizzlies
Aaron Harrison- D League
Dominique Hawkins- graduated
Jon Hood- walk on
Brian Long-walk on
Tod Lanter-walk on
Dakari Johnson- Thunder
Marcus Lee- transferred to California
Julius Randle- 1st round pick Lakers
Sam Malone-walkon
Jarrod Polson- graduated
Alex Poythress- graduated Pacers
Derek Willis- graduated D-league
James Young- 1st round pick

Pretty bad results
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Not all his players

Wall- 1st rd
Cousins- 1sr rd
Bledsoe- 1st rd
Orton- 1st rd (good move leaving dude was horrible)
Miller- pelicans (not a cal player)
Patterson- 1st rd (not a cal player)
Harrelson- 2nd rd pick plays over seas after a stint in the NBA. (Not a cal player)
Liggins- Milwaukee Bucks (not a cal player)
Dodson (transfer)
Harris (greece) (not a cal player)
Stevenson (not a cal player)
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Cherry picking youd have to cherry pick his years he didn't have NBA talent
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2013-2014

Willie Cauley-Stein- 1st round Kings
EJ Floreal- walk on
Andrew Harrison- Grizzlies
Aaron Harrison- D League
Dominique Hawkins- graduated
Jon Hood- walk on
Brian Long-walk on
Tod Lanter-walk on
Dakari Johnson- Thunder
Marcus Lee- transferred to California
Julius Randle- 1st round pick Lakers
Sam Malone-walkon
Jarrod Polson- graduated
Alex Poythress- graduated Pacers
Derek Willis- graduated D-league
James Young- 1st round pick

Pretty bad results
Aaron Harrison earned >$900k in two seasons with the Charlotte Hornets.
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Cal seems to take more walk-ons than most coaches too. Id leave the walk-ons off the denominator.
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2012 Duke

Austin Rivers
Quinn Cook
Tyler Thorton
Mason Plumlee
Alex Murphy
Michael Gbinjee
Josh Hairston
Andre Dawkins
Miles Plumlee
Seth Curry
Ryan Kelly
Todd Zafirovski
Marshall Plumlee

10/13 or 77% played professionally
Hairston plays in Israel, too. So 11/13, 85%.
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Old 11-02-17, 09:50 AM
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30-40% lolololol


Surprise to no one but 14red almost all of UK and Duke players play professional ball and those that don't have the opportunity to graduate. Yeah K and Cal really are screwing over their players.
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Also a surprise to no one: 14Red, pathetically, tries to change the subject when proven wrong.
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