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Old 03-14-17, 11:45 AM
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Not quite. This guy's still in the League, but not by any means a well known player.

Edit: This is in reference to US HS players
I had to look it up, surprised he is still active.
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Jayson Tatum's dad was the player who rolled into him and broke his leg.
Interesting. Been that long
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NCAA finals ratings were down 30% last year. Pretty sure the Cavs/Warriors series was the most watched NBA finals in history.
A 1 yr sample size is your proof?
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I had to look it up, surprised he is still active.
Yeah pretty tough trivia question
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Old 03-14-17, 11:49 AM
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I always thought Bogut was a senior, for some reason. I was very wrong.
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Old 03-14-17, 11:51 AM
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A 1 yr sample size is your proof?
Just an observation. Any way, do you have total viewership numbers to compare?
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The numbers for the NCAA Finals are pretty staggering. Certainly more of a deviation from the mean than something that could be swept aside as a one-year fluke IMO.
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A 1 yr sample size is your proof?
The past 2 NBA finals were the highest rated in 18 years. Which is especially impressive given the increase in channel options and cord cutting/streaming during that time frame :



The NCAA finals meanwhile were down 37% vs the previous year and 16% vs 2014.

Both are down significantly vs the 90's due to the factors mentioned in my 1st paragraph.
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Excluding technicalities.
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Old 03-14-17, 01:51 PM
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as far as the topic of watching the final 4, I just looked up the list of finals on Wikipedia and honestly can't remember the last time I sat down and watched the national title game.

The most recent one that looks familiar is 2003, when Syracuse won with Gerry McNamara.
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Not sure how anyone can deny CB is more popular than it was 20 yrs ago.
This wasn't even your original argument. Your original argument was that CBB is more popular than the NBA, which is false.

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And the NBA was infinitely better in the 80s and 90s.
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Even guys who were "2nd Tier players" of that time like Ewing would dominate today's big men.
I don't watch much NBA so excuse the elementary language, but from the way I understand it, "big men" today are more finesse and can actually shoot, compared to the big men of yesterday who were big and strong. So while the big men of yesterday may be better down low(maybe they aren't?), the big men of today would run circles around the old timers. Seems like it would be hard to compare the two.
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This wasn't even your original argument. Your original argument was that CBB is more popular than the NBA, which is false.



Opinion.



I don't watch much NBA so excuse the elementary language, but from the way I understand it, "big men" today are more finesse and can actually shoot, compared to the big men of yesterday who were big and strong. So while the big men of yesterday may be better down low(maybe they aren't?), the big men of today would run circles around the old timers. Seems like it would be hard to compare the two.
I tend to side with.....the athletes of today are way more talented and athletic than the guys from yesterday. The tools these guys use today helps hone their craft. Do people really think someone like babe Ruth could actually even hit a ball from a major league pitcher today? No way. Maybe a foul tip.
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I tend to side with.....the athletes of today are way more talented and athletic than the guys from yesterday. The tools these guys use today helps hone their craft. Do people really think someone like babe Ruth could actually even hit a ball from a major league pitcher today? No way. Maybe a foul tip.
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I tend to side with.....the athletes of today are way more talented and athletic than the guys from yesterday. The tools these guys use today helps hone their craft. Do people really think someone like babe Ruth could actually even hit a ball from a major league pitcher today? No way. Maybe a foul tip.
I tend to agree. Athletes today are just ridiculous.
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This wasn't even your original argument. Your original argument was that CBB is more popular than the NBA, which is false.



Opinion.



I don't watch much NBA so excuse the elementary language, but from the way I understand it, "big men" today are more finesse and can actually shoot, compared to the big men of yesterday who were big and strong. So while the big men of yesterday may be better down low(maybe they aren't?), the big men of today would run circles around the old timers. Seems like it would be hard to compare the two.
With zone defenses nowadays teams would just guard those big men 'of today' (actually nothing but 6'1-" 3 point shooters) with a 3 or a 4 while the guys of yesterday would stand around the hoop and grab 20-30 borads a game. .

There's no one in the league right now to guard Ewing, Olajuwon, Moses Malone, Jabbar, Chamberlain, David Robinson, Shaq or any of those guys. They would easily shoot 70-80%.
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Just an observation. Any way, do you have total viewership numbers to compare?
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This wasn't even your original argument. Your original argument was that CBB is more popular than the NBA, which is false.



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I don't watch much NBA so excuse the elementary language, but from the way I understand it, "big men" today are more finesse and can actually shoot, compared to the big men of yesterday who were big and strong. So while the big men of yesterday may be better down low(maybe they aren't?), the big men of today would run circles around the old timers. Seems like it would be hard to compare the two.
You misunderstood. I said/meant to say, CB's popularity has increased, but not necessarily more than the NBA.

There's more guys who are a Stretch 4, like Nowitzki. However, there's very few true big men. You've got Anthony Davis, Karl Anthony-Towns and that's about it. The entire game is more finesse and not played with nearly the same intensity. Bill Lambier would probably have been kicked out of the League by now.
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I tend to agree. Athletes today are just ridiculous.
Not arguing that, but the game has become soft. There's zero Defense and the players are way too friendly. Like I said, Bird and Magic would never have teamed up to win a Title bc they loved competing against each other. Jordan hated everyone on the court except his 4 teammates. There's nobody that the competitive, killer instincts those guys had.
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You misunderstood. I said/meant to say, CB's popularity has increased, but not necessarily more than the NBA.
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No, you should have known there would have been a back pedal
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ba ha ha....seriously though, I do agree that as each generation goes by, the play and talent gets better. This is blasphemy, but I think even Jordan struggles a little in today's NBA. The game is so perimeter oriented and the 3's and 4's are so long. Jordan would have to be a 2 most likely.

Babe Ruth could probalby still hit today's pitching, I just think the improvements in defense (even something as simple as the gloves) would take away alot of hits. Why I feel there will never be a .400 hitter again. Pitching/ defenses/ scouting is off the charts better than ever.
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But back to LaVar Ball. Interesting story. We often criticize alot of these kids and/ or their situations because of the lack of a father figure. But this guy is off the charts the other way. He's setting his kid up for failure. Lonzo does seem like a decent kid so you hope at some point he can tell Daddy to back off. Imagine being Steve Alford, UCLA's coach and dealing with this dude. Good to have the kid, but man that's alot to stomach.

Anyone remember Todd Marinovich???
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But back to LaVar Ball. Interesting story. We often criticize alot of these kids and/ or their situations because of the lack of a father figure. But this guy is off the charts the other way. He's setting his kid up for failure. Lonzo does seem like a decent kid so you hope at some point he can tell Daddy to back off. Imagine being Steve Alford, UCLA's coach and dealing with this dude. Good to have the kid, but man that's alot to stomach.

Anyone remember Todd Marinovich???
He's said multiple times in interviews that he's completely hands off with Steve Alford. I've found that 95% of Lavar Ball's haters have only judged him based off headlines and nothing else. If anyone would listen to him speak for 10 minutes they'd learn that he's working to empower and not exploit his sons. I think he's doing a great job.
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By telling shoe companies they can pay "him" 100 million

You are off your rocker
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Lavar Ball teeth so yellow you could butter bread with them!
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Lavar Ball teeth so yellow you could butter bread with them!
They gold brotha they gold!!!
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I don't like cool papa ball either , but all he's trying to do is to increase the Ball brand. My son showed me a website that has him hawking athletic apparel. "Big Ballers" Rich Eisen compared him to Richard Williams
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Old 03-15-17, 05:43 AM
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Seeing some good memes come out... LaVar Ball says he eats Chick Fil A on Sundays .
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He's said multiple times in interviews that he's completely hands off with Steve Alford. I've found that 95% of Lavar Ball's haters have only judged him based off headlines and nothing else. If anyone would listen to him speak for 10 minutes they'd learn that he's working to empower and not exploit his sons. I think he's doing a great job.
Just because he's hands off doesn't mean he isn't a pain in the butt.
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Just because he's hands off doesn't mean he isn't a pain in the butt.
Looks like someone got yet another screen name
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We all know of the crack pot Dad that is way over the top with their kids, we've seen it in our communities. The thing about Ball is he's so in your face with it. I certainly hope he steps back a little when Lonzo goes pro. So many similarities with Todd Maronivich.
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