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Old 03-14-17, 08:08 AM
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Hard to top McKinley's list.
In terms of overall greatness in sport...as opposed to just high competence in high school, I think St. Joe's/VASJ is right there with McKinley...

Clark Kellogg - OSU; NBA (1st round pick; 5 years-cut short by injury)
London Fletcher - John Carroll; NFL (16 years; maybe HOF someday)
Eric Riley - Michigan; NBA (five seasons)
Kevin Edwards - Depaul; NBA (1st round pick; 11 years)
Stan Kimbrough - Xavier; NBA (3 years)
Elvis Grbac - Michigan; NFL (9 years)
Desmond Howard - Michigan (Heisman Trophy); NFL (11 years)

Pat Lyons - Dayton/Cleveland State
Rich Holzheimer - Providence (played with John Thompson and Johnny Egan in the 50's)
Tony Miller - Marquette (star player for some very good Marquette teams)
Bill Batts - UVa. starter
Treg Lee - Ohio State (started for a few years)
Brian Parker - Marist (current)
Derek Pardon - Northwestern (current)
Carlton Bragg - Kansas (current)

I don't recall how much Howard contributed in b-ball, but Grbac and Fletcher were good players. The story on Grbac is that his Michigan football scholarship came from a UM basketball assistant, watching a St. Joe's basketball game, impressed with Grbac's size and athleticism and being told that he was the QB and had no offers. Grbac's arm had never been seen in action.... Got on the phone and called Ann Arbor.

McKinley's list is great. This list is better.

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Old 03-14-17, 08:15 AM
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In terms of overall greatness in the sport...as opposed to just high competence in high school, I think St. Joe's/VASJ is right there with McKinley...

Clark Kellogg - OSU; NBA (1st round pick; 5 years-cut short by injury)
London Fletcher - John Carroll; NFL (16 years; maybe HOF someday)
Eric Riley - Michigan; NBA (five seasons)
Kevin Edwards - Depaul; NBA (1st round pick; 11 years)
Stan Kimbrough - Xavier; NBA (3 years)
Elvis Grbac - Michigan; NFL (9 years)
Desmond Howard - Michigan (Heisman Trophy); NFL (11 years)

I don't recall how much Howard contributed in b-ball, but Grbac and Fletcher were important players. The story on Grbac is that his Michigan football scholarship came from a UM basketball assistant, watching a St. Joe's game, impressed with Grbac's size and athleticism and being told that he was the QB and had no offers. Got on the phone and called Ann Arbor.

McKinley's list is great. This list is better.
You could have added Treg Lee, John Beaufort, Ed Washington and I'm sure a few more.
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Old 03-14-17, 08:17 AM
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I see you did add more. Forgot about Batts. Another great player.
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Old 03-14-17, 08:21 AM
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I see you did add more. Forgot about Batts. Another great player.
I was born to be a Viking...then, life interfered and I went down to West 30th and Lorain.

Ed Washington was a Latin transfer when it closed. Good player, but he may have been at St. Joe's for only one year.
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Old 03-14-17, 08:28 AM
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I was born to be a Viking...then, life interfered and I went down to West 30th and Lorain.

Ed Washington was a Latin transfer when it closed. Good player, but he may have been at St. Joe's for only one year.
Washington did indeed transfer when Latin closed. He played at Latin with one of my all time favorites, Colin Irish, yet another great player of his era robbed by a knee injury that would probably be much more benign today with the modern treatments.
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Old 03-14-17, 09:10 AM
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Springfield North:

Fred Carson
Randy Ayers
Craig Taylor
Elliott Fullen
Todd Jones

Springfield South:
Jody Finney
Elgrace Wilborn
Thomas Stephens
Pepper Bego
John Carson

Springfield:

Danny Davis
DeaShawn Jackson
Darius Harper
Robert Moss
Akeem Freeman
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Old 03-14-17, 09:13 AM
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I was born to be a Viking...then, life interfered and I went down to West 30th and Lorain.

Danny Greene, that you? I KNEW it, witness protection.
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Old 03-14-17, 09:41 AM
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I think, in part, due to his uneven coaching career at OSU, people tend to forget what a great basketball player Randy Ayers was. Never a big-time scorer, but a tough as nails defender! And just a great all-around player.
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Old 03-14-17, 09:49 AM
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Springfield North:

Fred Carson
Randy Ayers
Craig Taylor
Elliott Fullen
Todd Jones

Springfield South:
Jody Finney
Elgrace Wilborn
Thomas Stephens
Pepper Bego
John Carson

Springfield:

Danny Davis
DeaShawn Jackson
Darius Harper
Robert Moss
Akeem Freeman
It's your list but you don't know much about Springfield huh?
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Old 03-14-17, 10:42 AM
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Here's my list as far as I can re-collect....

Dayton City League:
Belmont
Don May
Bill Hoskett
Ralph Jukkola
Adrian Parks
Ken May

Colonel WhiteSteve Wright/Bob Patterson
Ivan Patterson
Eric Love
Jerome Dismuke
Jervaughn Scales

DunbarMark Baker
Kirk Taylor
Daequan Cook
Bill Higgins
Richard Brown

FairviewBen Harper
Jack McCowan
Andy Davenport
Archie Mays
Nick Potaski

Meadowdale
Mike Pratt
Jamie Skelton
Larry Booker
Ray Springer
Carlos Knox

KiserRon Harper

Patterson
Anthony Corbitt
Cal Foster
Deon Jackson
Allen Spears
Bruce King

StiversFrankie Sanders
Bill Fredrick
Eddie Sutton


RothDwight Anderson
Donald Smith
Phil Lumpkin
George Jackson
Fred Johnson

Roosevelt
Rudy Benjamin
Terry Peavy
Henry Burlong
Terry Holland
Donald Parsons

Thurgood Marshall
Juwan Staten(transferred to Oak Hill)
Jordan Watson
Greg Gainey
Mark Alstork
Derrick Daniels

Chaminade
Darnell Hoskins
Danny Gearhardt
Jim Gottschall
Jerry Gottschall
Ike Thorton Sr.

Ponitz Floyd Scott
Edmund Parker
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Old 03-14-17, 10:47 AM
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Danny Greene, that you? I KNEW it, witness protection.
Didn't know Mr. Greene, but his home that was blown up in the mob wars, was a couple miles down the road from my house. Mr. Greene also briefly attended St. Ignatius High School. Alas, he and Jesuits had their own war and he lost...he then attended Collinwood HS.
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Old 03-14-17, 11:45 AM
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Cincy North College Hill
OJ Mayo
Bill Walker
Leon Murray
Chucky Broadnax
William Franklin/Damon Butler
Bruce Baarendsee
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Old 03-14-17, 11:50 AM
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Kendall Pegues/Dayton Kiser
Ponitz/Craig Wallace
Jerome Holland/Roosevelt
Mel Crafter/Roosevelt
Bob Mitchell/Stivers
Nathan Davis/Stivers
Irv Eatman/Meadowdale
DShawn McCollugh/Meadowdale
Peerless Price/Meadowdale
Darryl Martin/Colonel White
Jeff Elder/Colonel White
Greg Gaulding/Patterson

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Old 03-14-17, 11:55 AM
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Kind of difficult one for me. I've only actually seen players from 2000 onward. But I can attempt to throw together a top 5 based on stats/record book.

Sidney

Dewayne McCluskey - 1985-88
T.C. Johnson - 1977-80
Zach Yinger - 2008-11
Terry Harris - 1997-00
Andre Gordon - 2016-Current

I don't think there would be many alums who would disagree with Gordon being in the top 5. He's already 7th in career scoring and 3rd in career assists with two seasons still to go.
Mike Flanagan 1971
Jeff Collier 1972

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Old 03-14-17, 12:26 PM
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Carmona was so good, yet he was such a mystery, I wish he would have been able to play at Memphis under Calipari
Carmona was the best Troy play I ever saw. Such a great athlete. He played only a handful of years after Brooks Hall left (former POY and UD alum) who is Troy's all time leading scorer. Carmona was better than Brooks I thought. But you are right, just a mystery. A wasted talent. He did play pro in Puerto Rico and was on their mens national team.
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Old 03-14-17, 01:24 PM
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My favorite

Tiny DuPont High School in a state not known for sports

Jerry West NBA Legend
Randy Moss NFL Legend
Jason Williams NBA White Chocolate
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Old 03-14-17, 01:39 PM
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Kettering Alter:

Jim Paxson, Jr.
John Paxson
Andy Meyer
Keith Waleskowski
Adam Waleskowski/Marc Molinsky/Jack Zimmerman
If we are strictly talking high school best five, Jeff Graham belongs on there from early 80's teams.
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Old 03-14-17, 01:57 PM
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Kendall Pegues/Dayton Kiser
Ponitz/Craig Wallace
Jerome Holland/Roosevelt
Mel Crafter/Roosevelt
Bob Mitchell/Stivers
Nathan Davis/Stivers
Irv Eatman/Meadowdale
DShawn Mccollugh/Meadowdale
Peerless Price/Meadowdale
Darryl Martin/Colonel White
Jeff Elder/Colonel White
Greg Gaulding/Patterson
A fair list but most of these guys were great athletes that excelled at other sports and maybe had one great basketball year but not great high school basketball careers:

Craig Wallace went to Patterson an all-time track athlete top 5 basketball player?
Nathan Davis great athlete amazing dunks not an all-time Stivers great basketball player couldn't shoot couldn't dribble
Irv Eatman all-time Dayton City League football player doesn't sniff the top 5 Meadowdale basketball list
Peerless, not really a basketball player but had one great year not career
Darryl Martin only played two years at Colonel White his freshmen and senior year he would of undoubtedly would've been top 5
Jeff Elder was a tall leaper great defensive player but didn't score a lot not a top 5 all-time Colonel White player
Greg Gaulding arguably could be top 5
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Old 03-14-17, 01:59 PM
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McCluskey and Gordon are givens. After that it gets fuzzy. Your 5 are good but so many others are right there too. Ron Ivey is one that stands out also. Johnell "J.J." Jelks didn't have the huge numbers but could dominate a game.
There's a ton of players who are really close together as far as stats go. It's hard to separate them by "eye test" now especially the older generations.
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Old 03-14-17, 02:04 PM
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If we are strictly talking high school best five, Jeff Graham belongs on there from early 80's teams.
No doubt! he's definitely Top5 maybe behind the Paxsons
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Old 03-14-17, 02:05 PM
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Mike Flanagan 1971
Jeff Collier 1972
John Wiggins is another worth mentioning.
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Old 03-14-17, 02:47 PM
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Wiggins was very solid. Jeff Collier was 6'10" and the father of Springfield Catholic Central star Jason Collier. Derrick Daniels was legit and went on to play at Nevada-Reno. A 1981 Sidney grad.
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Old 03-14-17, 02:50 PM
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Old 03-14-17, 03:13 PM
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From Centerville:

1969/Bob Melberth
1985/ Todd Murphy
1978/ Tim Sain
1977/ Greg Bills
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Old 03-14-17, 03:30 PM
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Springfield North:

Fred Carson
Randy Ayers
Craig Taylor
Elliott Fullen
Todd Jones

Springfield South:
Jody Finney
Elgrace Wilborn
Thomas Stephens
Pepper Bego
John Carson

Springfield:

Danny Davis
DeaShawn Jackson
Darius Harper
Robert Moss
Akeem Freeman

I made an all springfield list but you left guys who made nba off the list and Akeem wouldnt be close to top 5 on the new school and Thomas Stephens was a good athlete but nowhere near top 5 south basketball
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Old 03-14-17, 04:09 PM
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Troyboy73, we are missing a lot of outstanding Elk ballers, but they did ask for the top 5. What I noticed was that we are both old-timers on this board, each signing up in 2005, but the big difference is in posts. You have posted over 3000 times to my 300+...nice
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Old 03-14-17, 04:14 PM
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In terms of overall greatness in sport...as opposed to just high competence in high school, I think St. Joe's/VASJ is right there with McKinley...

Clark Kellogg - OSU; NBA (1st round pick; 5 years-cut short by injury)
London Fletcher - John Carroll; NFL (16 years; maybe HOF someday)
Eric Riley - Michigan; NBA (five seasons)
Kevin Edwards - Depaul; NBA (1st round pick; 11 years)
Stan Kimbrough - Xavier; NBA (3 years)
Elvis Grbac - Michigan; NFL (9 years)
Desmond Howard - Michigan (Heisman Trophy); NFL (11 years)

Pat Lyons - Dayton/Cleveland State
Rich Holzheimer - Providence (played with John Thompson and Johnny Egan in the 50's)
Tony Miller - Marquette (star player for some very good Marquette teams)
Bill Batts - UVa. starter
Treg Lee - Ohio State (started for a few years)
Brian Parker - Marist (current)
Derek Pardon - Northwestern (current)
Carlton Bragg - Kansas (current)

I don't recall how much Howard contributed in b-ball, but Grbac and Fletcher were good players. The story on Grbac is that his Michigan football scholarship came from a UM basketball assistant, watching a St. Joe's basketball game, impressed with Grbac's size and athleticism and being told that he was the QB and had no offers. Grbac's arm had never been seen in action.... Got on the phone and called Ann Arbor.

McKinley's list is great. This list is better.
No it's not. This is a basketball thread. If I had wanted to include athletes who played basketball at McKinley and then went on to athletic success in other sports I could have done so. But this is a basketball list. When you only include basketball, McKinley is most definitely better.
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Old 03-14-17, 04:36 PM
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If we are strictly talking high school best five, Jeff Graham belongs on there from early 80's teams.
Good call. I knew I was missing a couple "Top Five" Alter candidates ... Jeff Graham belongs on the list.

After the Paxsons, there are a lot of good Alter players to pick from.
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Old 03-14-17, 04:58 PM
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Here's my list as far as I can re-collect....

Dayton City League:

FairviewBen Harper
Jack McCowan
Andy Davenport
Archie Mays
Nick Potaski
Zezzo,

I seem to remember Alter playing Fairview back in the mid-70's and Fairview had a really good D1 college-level player, about 6'8". I think his name was Lionel Garrett. He was impressive. Do you remember him?
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Old 03-14-17, 11:56 PM
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Cincy North College Hill
OJ Mayo
Bill Walker
Leon Murray
Chucky Broadnax
William Franklin/Damon Butler
Bruce Baarendsee
None of the Harmons?
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