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Old 03-13-17, 08:32 AM
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Heavy Weight Lifting Growth Stunting Concerns?

It's that time of year again, where the men among boys hit the gym to put some massive meat on the bones. Serious concerns about the excessive heavy weight lifting have grown over the years; especially due to the strength of high school boys increasing with each generation. Premature heavy weightlifting stunts the growth of pubescent teenagers by 14% (livestrong.com), leading to forms of arthritis and other medical conditions later in life. Is it worth it? Any thoughts on the safety of our boys?
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Old 03-13-17, 08:43 AM
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It's that time of year again, where the men among boys hit the gym to put some massive meat on the bones. Serious concerns about the excessive heavy weight lifting have grown over the years; especially due to the strength of high school boys increasing with each generation. Premature heavy weightlifting stunts the growth of pubescent teenagers by 14% (livestrong.com), leading to forms of arthritis and other medical conditions later in life. Is it worth it? Any thoughts on the safety of our boys?
Where did you find this on this site? I looked and may have missed it.
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Old 03-13-17, 12:54 PM
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It's that time of year again, where the men among boys hit the gym to put some massive meat on the bones. Serious concerns about the excessive heavy weight lifting have grown over the years; especially due to the strength of high school boys increasing with each generation. Premature heavy weightlifting stunts the growth of pubescent teenagers by 14% (livestrong.com), leading to forms of arthritis and other medical conditions later in life. Is it worth it? Any thoughts on the safety of our boys?
Did you actually read the article? It is an antiquated idea that proper weight training stunts growth, with the emphasis on proper. Quite frankly the safety of your team is at risk if the don't lift. A bigger and stronger opponet could injury one who isn't physically capable, not to mention the benefits of strength training to connective tissue and the joints. Prevention of injury should be paramount to any well thought out program.
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Old 03-13-17, 03:34 PM
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Without lifing then some of these kids would grow up to be monsters. Growth stunting my azz.
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Old 03-13-17, 05:08 PM
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Without lifing then some of these kids would grow up to be monsters. Growth stunting my azz.
Good Lord, St. Ed's offensive line would have averaged over 400 pounds without lifting!
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Old 03-13-17, 06:17 PM
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It's that time of year again, where the men among boys hit the gym to put some massive meat on the bones. Serious concerns about the excessive heavy weight lifting have grown over the years; especially due to the strength of high school boys increasing with each generation. Premature heavy weightlifting stunts the growth of pubescent teenagers by 14% (livestrong.com), leading to forms of arthritis and other medical conditions later in life. Is it worth it? Any thoughts on the safety of our boys?
You are reading articles from livestrong.com, that's your first problem. Ask Lance why he was doping.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2796409/

Read articles and journals by ACSM or NSCA.
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Old 03-14-17, 08:14 AM
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Just ask trainers and fighters in the MMA and UFC. Joe Rogan is a huge advocate against routine heavy lifting, his advice is to do more reps of 50-76% of your max, then wait 5-10 minutes. Giving your body time to recover and making sure your building up muscle not shredding them.
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Old 03-14-17, 08:46 AM
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Resistance training does not stunt growth. That is an outdated myth that is simply untrue. When programmed properly, resistance training will enhance performance and prevent injuries.

Trust me. I would know!
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Old 03-14-17, 09:08 AM
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Just ask trainers and fighters in the MMA and UFC. Joe Rogan is a huge advocate against routine heavy lifting, his advice is to do more reps of 50-76% of your max, then wait 5-10 minutes. Giving your body time to recover and making sure your building up muscle not shredding them.

Joe Rogan as a reference pertaining to what teenagers should be doing?

He's pro reverse aging (legally taking steroids)
Pro hallucinogen drugs to help open up your brains potential.

And his theory of lifting is based on the concept of being a endurance athlete that's fighting or grappling 5-10min multiple rounds with only 60second breaks inbetween another round. Of course explosive. Low rep lifting won't fit into that style of competing.
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Old 03-14-17, 10:04 AM
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I didn't think these people still existed
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Old 03-14-17, 11:36 AM
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Just ask trainers and fighters in the MMA and UFC. Joe Rogan is a huge advocate against routine heavy lifting, his advice is to do more reps of 50-76% of your max, then wait 5-10 minutes. Giving your body time to recover and making sure your building up muscle not shredding them.
A research article was saying about 2-3 mins between sets. I'm pretty sure it's from ACSM. Sometimes you might need a few extra minutes...like 5-6 especially if Lactic Acid is building up. It's better to rely on ACSM and NCSA due to their articles backed up by research and evidence. I'm a huge Joe Rogan fan, but you shouldn't listen to some of those people as I like to call "paper champs" who get certifications in training and think they know everything right away. How many idiots do you see on YouTube or on TV have terrible form doing crossfit or see people in your local gym work out with terrible form when they are being trained by a "paper champ?"

Lifting for football, lifting for MMA, and lifting to look good when you are out in public are all different things.
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Old 03-14-17, 11:46 AM
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Resistance training does not stunt growth. That is an outdated myth that is simply untrue. When programmed properly, resistance training will enhance performance and prevent injuries.

Trust me. I would know!
Listen to this guy. He has the credentials and certifications to back up what he's saying. Heavy lifts...squats, deadlifts, and powercleans should be referred to people with NSCA certifications. You are required to have a degree in Exercise Science/Physilogy and they have to be from an accredited institution. You cannot take the NSCA certification unless if you have a degree from Exercise Science/Physilogy from an accredited institution. This is also a 4 year degree..not 2 year. Don't listen to the CrossFit trainers who are "paper champs" and the local trainers who are "paper champs."

https://www.kratoselitefitness.com/about/
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Old 03-15-17, 06:05 AM
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I have been thinking about this subject for a while now.It's true that if these boys don't start young,say 13 or 14,that they will get drilled by opponents that do.I don't believe that it will affect your growth development or physically harm these boys in any way. Starting them young will accelerate their strength and performance. Sounds great right?
But nobody cares when these boys become adults and have knee hip and shoulder problems. The truth is that the human body simple cannot withstand the kind of beating that deadlifting,squatting and pressing require.these atheletes pay as they age.the sooner they start the sooner their problems will begin later in life.
This is my perspective after being a fitness instructor for 20 some years.Just last week I saw a stark county legendary running back who went onto play in the NFL.This gentleman was only sixty but couldn't even walk without a cane
.Every day I see the 30/40 year old guys who can't sleep on their shoulders because of heavy benching. So I don't know???,do we want great overpowering young athletes or should we be concerned about them as they age....muscles are fleeting but your joints are for the rest of your life.
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Old 03-15-17, 09:52 AM
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But nobody cares when these boys become adults and have knee hip and shoulder problems. The truth is that the human body simple cannot withstand the kind of beating that deadlifting,squatting and pressing require.these atheletes pay as they age.the sooner they start the sooner their problems will begin later in life.
This is my perspective after being a fitness instructor for 20 some years.Just last week I saw a stark county legendary running back who went onto play in the NFL.This gentleman was only sixty but couldn't even walk without a cane
.Every day I see the 30/40 year old guys who can't sleep on their shoulders because of heavy benching. So I don't know???,do we want great overpowering young athletes or should we be concerned about them as they age....muscles are fleeting but your joints are for the rest of your life.
Injuries like that have way more to do with the beatings the body takes from the actual sport. Running full speed into another human (who is also running full speed) over and over, year after year will cause WAY more damage than any kind of properly executed exercise.

Yes, you can get injured lifting when it's not performed/programmed properly (or if you're a strength sport athlete pushing their body to its absolute limit, but that's a different topic). The key is proper execution with both technique and programming.

That's why all athletes should have a qualified coach training them, not their sport coach who used to lift weights in their basement back in the 80s.
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Old 03-16-17, 06:11 AM
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Sure the velocity of the sport of football takes its toll on the body.The repetitive pounding of heavy weights does it's damage as well, regardless of the precision of their form and structure of their workout.God designed these bodies to get us through 75/85 years of normal activitys.To many elderly athletes are suffering skeletal structural damage as a result of what brought them joy in their youth. Am I saying don't workout? Absolutely not.workout smart,continually doing a variety of activities.as we age the less impact the better.Do I think 12/13 year olds should be doing power lifting? NO...Do I like to watch my Jr. High team's win ????.I don't know folks,you make the call.
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Old 03-30-17, 02:35 AM
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Our school, Coldwater, does not have any football lifting for their kids until January after their 8th grade football seasons. I know some local schools start their kids prior to 7th grade. They also don't start football until their 7th grade season and don't have midget/pee wee football. The numbers in JH are phenomenal and I think much of it has to do with 1, the success of the HS program, and 2 the kids not starting football too early and getting burned out/fear of being behind the kids who did start playing at the pee wee levels.

If its not broke........
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