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Old 03-18-17, 09:52 PM
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Nobody remembers who came in 2nd
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Old 03-18-17, 09:53 PM
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Bo Jordan concluded Ohio state failure at NCAA tournament
2nd as a team is failing? You must have been brought up on high expectations at Nordonia...
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Old 03-18-17, 09:53 PM
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Bo was trying to force that 2nd stall call. Would've like to see him set up a better shot for the TD. Didn't look like Angel was going to give him the 2nd stall.
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Old 03-18-17, 09:54 PM
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Mark Hall earned the championship. Congrats to the true freshman.
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Old 03-18-17, 09:55 PM
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Mark Hall earned the championship. Congrats to the true freshman.


Garbage. That kid was given a gift by the officials.


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Old 03-18-17, 09:58 PM
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Garbage. That kid was given a gift by the officials.


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Old 03-18-17, 10:00 PM
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OHSAA officals don't screw graham kids because of Jordan. NCAA officals screw a Jordan because of Sanderson. Am I getting that right?
Ding ding ding!
First call I've seen in a while get changed was for nickel.
You mean to tell me that was a td and Jordan's wasn't?
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Old 03-18-17, 10:01 PM
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I really thought Bo had 2pts , and also was surprised that Hall wasn't banged for stalling..Oh well Bo has another year, he will be back.
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Old 03-18-17, 10:05 PM
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Ohio state totally underperformed at NCAA
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Old 03-18-17, 10:05 PM
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Penn State just won half the individual titles... and could be better next year. Holy cow this team is something else.
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Old 03-18-17, 10:07 PM
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Ohio state totally underperformed at NCAA
2nd is terrible considering the team that won had 5 champs. Burcher should've pinned his way through the bracket.
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Old 03-18-17, 10:07 PM
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No. The 2nd best team in the country came in 2nd Place.
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Old 03-18-17, 10:08 PM
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Can someone please check to see if this officiating crew graduated from Penn State? The non takedown by Bo and the takedown call for Nickel that made a difference in the match. I expect this officiating in international freestyle, not collegiate wrestling


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Old 03-18-17, 10:08 PM
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Ohio state totally underperformed at NCAA
Arsewipe no they didn't underperform!
They actually held serve or overperformed.
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Old 03-18-17, 10:09 PM
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Can someone please check to see if this officiating crew graduated from Penn State? The non takedown by Bo and the takedown call for Nickel that made a difference in the match. I expect this officiating in international freestyle, not collegiate wrestling


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That was definitely a takedown by Nickal. Saw the leg there and took advantage- mistake by Dean. The Hall one wasn't "terrible" either- it was pretty 50-50. Too many OH homers on here to tell you otherwise though.
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Old 03-18-17, 10:11 PM
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Old 03-18-17, 10:15 PM
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5-5 Penn St Wow!
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Old 03-18-17, 10:16 PM
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The onus is on Bo Jordan to finish that position. Hall was impressive to counter a position that could have easily been 2 & near falls into his own scoring. Hall did what he had to during the match to win: escape quickly (not let Jordan ride), not get overpowered by Bo from neutral, and score in clutch situations (he took the shot/s late - half shots or not - to prevent that second stall call).

I'm not sure what the ref saw to reverse the Nickal takedown at the end of the first, given how replays had went throughout the weekend. That said, it was close. Furthemore, Nickal was impressive in not letting Dean's pressure get to him.

Vincenzo had the most impressive of all the Penn State performances. Deck a two-time national champion after finding ways to get it done against formidable opposition in the quarter and semi.

Ohio State basically peformed at seed across the board.
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Old 03-18-17, 10:32 PM
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The onus is on Bo Jordan to finish that position. Hall was impressive to counter a position that could have easily been 2 & near falls into his own scoring. Hall did what he had to during the match to win: escape quickly (not let Jordan ride), not get overpowered by Bo from neutral, and score in clutch situations (he took the shot/s late - half shots or not - to prevent that second stall call).

I'm not sure what the ref saw to reverse the Nickal takedown at the end of the first, given how replays had went throughout the weekend. That said, it was close. Furthemore, Nickal was impressive in not letting Dean's pressure get to him.

Vincenzo had the most impressive of all the Penn State performances. Deck a two-time national champion after finding ways to get it done against formidable opposition in the quarter and semi.

Ohio State basically peformed at seed across the board.
Disagree totally on bo's td. He had him down and covered. There is no reaction time in college. I've seen way far less called in college. Hall made an amazing reversal but I'm not sure where you are getting backs from??
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Old 03-18-17, 10:56 PM
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Old 03-18-17, 10:58 PM
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I'm saying Bo Jordan could have had two and backs from the cradle-ish position that Hall scooted out of. Key word, could.
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Old 03-18-17, 11:03 PM
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I'm saying Bo Jordan could have had two and backs from the cradle-ish position that Hall scooted out of. Key word, could.
Thought u were saying hall. Gotchoo
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Old 03-18-17, 11:07 PM
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I'm not as versed in the college rule book as I am HS, but if BoJo didn't have it, I see no way Nikal had his.

Jordan had both legs covered up, Hall on his butt/hip, posted weight on the hand to prevent going flat, and sat there with restraining power over Hall beyond reaction time (I know that isn't college) I give Hall credit for continuing to fight with the offical shouting neutral. I can't help but wonder if the offical gives two immediately does Hall bail out of that position?

Yet they will allow TD for Nikal in a position where Dean was still sitting through and stopped because of the whistle. Nikal had zero restraint over Dean. Nikal's head was buried in the mat and off balance as Dean was sitting through. How often is that type of position seen and officals let that burn? I just can't wrap my head around that call at all. Between the both of them, I'm not sure I know what a TD is.

Are there any college officals on here that could clarify why those calls were made, especially after replay?
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Old 03-18-17, 11:19 PM
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Who was MOW of the tournament?
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Old 03-18-17, 11:20 PM
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Both Bo's were two. Let's move on. Awesome finals!
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Old 03-18-17, 11:29 PM
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The party is over!
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Old 03-18-17, 11:30 PM
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Both Bo's were two. Let's move on. Awesome finals!
Move on?
To where? Next yr.
Gotta keep it going. Nothing to look forward to for a long time!
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Old 03-18-17, 11:31 PM
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Mark Hall earned the championship. Congrats to the true freshman.
No doubt
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Old 03-19-17, 12:31 AM
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Nickal's was no doubt a takedown. If you are in on a single on a mat and throw a boot on the far side it is a takedown. It has always been thin way. They were still in bounds. Bo Jordan's was a takedown also. If he stays solid and does not get reversed right away, then we are not having this discussion. I believe the refs got that one wrong, but shame on Bo for putting it into their hands.
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Old 03-19-17, 02:59 PM
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NCAA Forecast 2017

To wrap things up, at least on my end, I'll look at the seeds and how each of the top four teams performed based on seeds. Only discrepancies are shown.

IOWA
125 #1 with 3rd place finish = -6.5
133 #4 with 1st place finish = +7.5
149 #5 with 3rd place finish = +3.5
157 #2 with 3rd place finish = -2.5
165 #NS with R16 place finish = +1.5
184 #3 with 4th place finish = -1
197 #NS with R12 place finsih = +2
Total = +4.5
Bonus Points 17.5

OkS
125 #8 with 4th place finish = +7
133 #2 with 5th place finish = -6.5
149 #2 with DNP place finish = -16
157 #5 with 4th place finish = +2.5
165 #9 with 5th place finish = +8
184 #4 with 6th place finish = -3.5
285 #6 with DNP place finish = -9
Total = -17.5
Bonus Points 13

OSU
133 #1 with 3rd place finish = -6.5
141 #12 with R16 place finish = -0.5
174 #3 with 2nd place finish = +2.5
184 #6 with 5th place finish = +1
Total = -3.5
Bonus points 22.5

PSU
141 #NS with R12 place finish = +2
165 #3 with 1st place finish = +6.5
174 #5 with 1st place finish = +10
184 #2 with 1 place finish = +4
197 #5 with R12 place finish = -8
Total = +14.5
Bonus points 32

Expected scores per seeds

1 OkS 104
2 PSU 99.5
3 OSU 90.5
4 IOWA 74

Performance factor + bonus = probable score

1 OkS 104 - 17.5 + 13 = 99.5 (actual score 103)
2 PSU 99.5 + 14.5 + 32 = 146 (actual score 146.5)
3 OSU 90.5 - 3.5 + 22.5 = 109.5 (actual score 110)
4 IOWA 74 + 4.5 + 17.5 = 96 (actual score 97)

In summary, IOWA over performed slightly based on seeds, OSU under performed slightly, OkS under performed dramatically, and PSU over performed significantly.

PSU, as everyone thought, was the strongest bonus team, OSU was second strongest, followed by IOWA with OkS trailing the pack.

My bonus model (which only accounts for Flo P4P top 20 wrestlers) gave PSU 22.5, OSU 13.5, IOWA 9 and OkS 5. PSU scored 10.5 more bonus points than OSU (model showed +9), 14.5 more than IOWA (model showed +13.5), and 20 more than OkS (model showed +17.5).

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