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Old 02-01-17, 02:16 PM
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Profiles in ineptitude: 4 teams that have yet to appear in a Super Bowl

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On Sunday, the New England Patriots will make their franchise’s ninth Super Bowl appearance – the most of any NFL team. It will be the team’s seventh appearance in the last 15 years, which underscores the consistency they have achieved under coach Bill Belichick and star quarterback Tom Brady.

But not every NFL team is so blessed as the Pats. Not even close.

There are four NFL teams that have yet to play in a Super Bowl.

Houston Texans
Jacksonville Jaguars
Detroit Lions
Cleveland Browns
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Old 02-01-17, 02:34 PM
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Not a coincidence that Jax and Houston are two of the newer teams in the NFL.
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Old 02-01-17, 02:46 PM
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What a sad sack group of franchises. At least Jacksonville and Houston have an excuse.
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Old 02-01-17, 03:06 PM
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The Nati-clown clone squad on yappi always claims that "the real Browns" are in Baltimore. I happen to disagree, but your beginning troll moves seem to contradict that. Make up your minds


"Super Bowl" is nothing but an arbitrary marketing label. The Browns won a few NFL championships. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...Super_Bowl_era
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Old 02-01-17, 03:09 PM
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The Baltimore Ravens have been to the Super Bowl, the Cleveland Browns have not. Pretty easy to understand.
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Old 02-01-17, 03:10 PM
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So sensitive you are. I just made an observation that 2/4 on the list are 2/3 most recent teams to exist.
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Old 02-01-17, 03:47 PM
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Houston Oilers never made the Super Bowl either.

The only real difference between Cleveland and Houston is that Cleveland wanted their tradition with the Browns while Houston just wanted to start over.
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Old 02-01-17, 04:56 PM
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So sensitive you are. I just made an observation that 2/4 on the list are 2/3 most recent teams to exist.
If you are maintaining your past opinion that the "real Browns" are in Baltimore, then the current Browns are the second-youngest NFL team. Is that what you meant ?


Pretty funny that they have won a playoff game more recently than the Bengals.
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Old 02-01-17, 04:59 PM
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The Baltimore Ravens have been to the Super Bowl, the Cleveland Browns have not. Pretty easy to understand.
Yup, Cleveland was holding Modell back. Smartest thing he ever did dropping that loser city.
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Old 02-01-17, 09:11 PM
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LOL art modell told kraft not to hire belicheck
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Old 02-02-17, 08:21 AM
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If you are maintaining your past opinion that the "real Browns" are in Baltimore, then the current Browns are the second-youngest NFL team. Is that what you meant ?


Pretty funny that they have won a playoff game more recently than the Bengals.
Why are you so sensitive and defensive about this? I know you're an old senile man but not every person from Cincinnati shares the same view point on every issue.
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Old 02-02-17, 08:58 AM
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LOL art modell told kraft not to hire belicheck
Both those guys cleaned up in the NFL after leaving that hellhole Cleveland behind.
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Old 02-02-17, 01:25 PM
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Both those guys cleaned up in the NFL after leaving that hellhole Cleveland behind.
... really cleaned up

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Old 02-03-17, 10:40 AM
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The recent revisionist history regarding Modell is a joke. Uninformed fools cry for Art, buying his lie that the City officials did him wrong and took care of the Indians and Cavs and excluded Art. They gave him exactly what he deserved. The guy was a little scumbag.

He had on opportunity in the late 80's to get on board with a 72k seat domed stadium to share with the Indians on the old Central Market site, where Progressive Field is now. Being the greedy, self-serving turd he was, he killed the deal because: 1) Municipal Stadium sold out every Browns' game at 82K seats, and he didn't want to lose +80k home tickets/concessions a year. 2) Art's agreement with the City gave him control of the old Stadium and the ability to milk the Indians for 81 games a year. Instead of dominating the partnership with the City and the Indians in the same way at the proposed new domed stadium, he would have had to settle for being an equal. So, Art Modell decided to play hardball, and say "F_ you" to the fans, to the City, and to the Indians - he killed the deal and essentially walked out on negotiations.

What Art the Dumbazz, marketing whiz but business fool, did not consider was that the Cavaliers 20 year property tax abatement deal with Richfield for the Coliseum was expiring. Gordon Gund actually was a good business man. The City, Tribe, and Cavs found common ground for the Gateway deal, and left Art with what he claimed he wanted. Then his pettiness and lack of business sense kicked in.

He was fine having his team in a 30's vintage, WPA-built toilet like old Municipal Stadium when the Indians had to suffer, too, and the Cavs were 20 miles away. When those teams had new facilities, Art cried and said, "Me, too!!". When he wasn't promised immediate satisfaction, like the terrible businessman he was, he took out huge loans on awful terms to remodel that old dump, even after losing his full-time tenant, the Indians. He bankrupted himself, and begged the City to bail him out after the fact. He was an idiot, with only one redeeming quality - he saw the TV potential of the NFL before most anyone else did. Whoopie.
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Both those guys cleaned up in the NFL after leaving that hellhole Cleveland behind.
Come on, Art Modell had to get out of Cleveland. This schmuck had to take out a loan to pay Andre Rison's salary. This, after 35 years of sellout crowds exceeding 80-thousand-plus each game and he still couldn't make ends meet. He even had the Indians as tenants and bent them over for rent to that dilapidated mess of a stadium for years and he found a way to botch that.

He whored the Browns out to Baltimore because he was broke and said he wanted to leave his family some money and Baltimore ponied up. And like cabo alluded to, he screwed that to dust, as well. Cleaned up? Hardly. Bailed out? Absolutely.
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Old 02-03-17, 11:24 AM
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I still will always believe that the whole thing was contrived. Once the Browns were off of the Gateway site with the collapse of the deal for a dual-use Dome, the only viable city-owned property was the old stadium site. The voters' will to be taxed was shot on Gateway, so maybe talks of other sites as private purchase was just a dream. If that rebuild on the same site was the plan all along , the NFL wasn't going to leave a franchise idle for 3-4 years, and a temporary move to the Shoe would not get Art's debt paid.
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Come on, Art Modell had to get out of Cleveland. This schmuck had to take out a loan to pay Andre Rison's salary. This, after 35 years of sellout crowds exceeding 80-thousand-plus each game and he still couldn't make ends meet. He even had the Indians as tenants and bent them over for rent to that dilapidated mess of a stadium for years and he found a way to botch that.

He whored the Browns out to Baltimore because he was broke and said he wanted to leave his family some money and Baltimore ponied up. And like cabo alluded to, he screwed that to dust, as well. Cleaned up? Hardly. Bailed out? Absolutely.
He finally turned the Browns into a winner in Baltimore.
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Old 02-03-17, 11:54 AM
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He finally turned the Browns into a winner in Baltimore.
How much longer after that was he forced to sell the team? By the way, I wonder if Ozzie Newsome can be the first person to make the Hall of Fame as a player AND a General Manager? He certainly deserves it.
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Old 02-03-17, 12:26 PM
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Jacksonville was in a couple of AFC championships games. It's difficult to get to the Super Bowl. No doubt.
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Jacksonville was in a couple of AFC championships games. It's difficult to get to the Super Bowl. No doubt.
Dang that John Elway....
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"Super Bowl" is just a name for the pro football championship game. Pro football didn't start in 1967. There was an NFL Championship game before 1967. This category is somewhat arbitrary/meaningless, don't you think?

The Browns have appeared in NINE NFL championship games, winning four times. They also won the AAC title four times before being admitted to the NFL in 1950...whereupon they won the NFL title in their first year...pretty extraordinary... and giving credence to those late 40's AAC titles. They've been a lousy team since around 1990, but they dominated the sport in an earlier era. IMO, the Browns won't get well until Haslam's legal problems are completely resolved.

Modell...lousy owner, poor businessman AND he was screwed by the local politicians (Mike White et al.). Both are possible.

Oh, and let's not forget that the LA Rams/St. Louis Rams/LA Rams were once the Cleveland Rams and they won an NFL title in 1945 in Cleveland.

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"Super Bowl" is just a name for the pro football championship game. Pro football didn't start in 1967. There was an NFL Championship game before 1967. This category is somewhat arbitrary/meaningless, don't you think?

The Browns have appeared in NINE NFL championship games, winning four times. They also won the AAC title four times before being admitted to the NFL in 1950...whereupon they won the NFL title in their first year...pretty extraordinary... and giving credence to those late 40's AAC titles. They've been a lousy team since around 1990, but they dominated the sport in an earlier era. IMO, the Browns won't get well until Haslam's legal problems are completely resolved.

Modell...lousy owner, poor businessman AND he was screwed by the local politicians (Mike White et al.). Both are possible.

Oh, and let's not forget that the LA Rams/St. Louis Rams/LA Rams were once the Cleveland Rams and they won an NFL title in 1945 in Cleveland.
Without context, sure. With context, not so much.
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Without context, sure. With context, not so much.
What context makes it not extraordinary?
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Old 02-06-17, 09:53 AM
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What context makes it not extraordinary?
That the NFL in 1950 isn't what it is today, popularity-wise and really in every aspect of it's existence. That there were other leagues pulling talent, the NFL wasn't the sole "pro" league. That the NFL only had 12 other teams. That many, if not most players, in 1950 had a part time job because playing "professionally" wasn't enough to pay the bills. There's more but I'll leave it at that.
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That the NFL in 1950 isn't what it is today, popularity-wise and really in every aspect of it's existence. That there were other leagues pulling talent, the NFL wasn't the sole "pro" league. That the NFL only had 12 other teams. That many, if not most players, in 1950 had a part time job because playing "professionally" wasn't enough to pay the bills. There's more but I'll leave it at that.
Most professional athletes in all sports in the 50's had off season jobs. I thought lots of teams means talent is diluted...isn't that the argument put forth today?

The Browns were essentially an expansion team. In the title game, they took on the defending NFL champion Eagles and their MVP running back Steve Van Buren and beat the crap out of them. Extraordinary. More impressive than the Jets beating the Colts in Super Bowl III.

Based on your knowledge of football, when did it become worthy of respect?
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Correct, most professional athletes in the 50's had part time jobs. Thus meaning playing a pro sport wasn't the premier job it is today, not attracting the top if they had better options.

They most certainly were not an expansion team. Expansion team's start with nothing. The Browns were already a team with many great players including Otto Graham, Mac Speedie and Marion Motley among others.

Again, context is everything. Stop trying to sensationalize everything.
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Correct, most professional athletes in the 50's had part time jobs. Thus meaning playing a pro sport wasn't the premier job it is today, not attracting the top if they had better options.

They most certainly were not an expansion team. Expansion team's start with nothing. The Browns were already a team with many great players including Otto Graham, Mac Speedie and Marion Motley among others.

Again, context is everything. Stop trying to sensationalize everything.
Good to know all those Yankees titles before the 70s don't count.
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Old 02-06-17, 10:47 AM
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When did I say the titles don't count? You and CatAlum should brush up on your reading comprehension.
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Correct, most professional athletes in the 50's had part time jobs. Thus meaning playing a pro sport wasn't the premier job it is today, not attracting the top if they had better options.
Yeah, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, Joe Louis, DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Ty Cobb...minor talents...the sport was "not attracting the top...".
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Yeah, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, Joe Louis, DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Ty Cobb...minor talents...the sport was "not attracting the top...".
Not only do you need to brush up on your reading comprehension, but you need to brush up on reading posts.

"if they had better options"

Now go on and tell me how the Browns were an expansion team.
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