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Old 03-16-17, 04:22 PM
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Thanks for the great news updates. The future is looking good for the Tribe!
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Old 03-18-17, 11:56 AM
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Indians blew a lead to Texas yesterday but Tribe bats continued to sizzle. Yan Gomes went 3-for-4 with a homer. That's a great sign. No one needs a bounce-back year any more than Gomes. Rookie outfielders Greg Allen and Bradley Zimmer both stayed hot. Zimmer leads the Tribe in spring RBIs (having Lindor and Santana playing in the WBC helps). If Zimmer continues to hit this way in Columbus, he could earn a mid-season call-up by the Tribe.

Rookie catcher Francisco Mejia was sent down to Akron, but batted well over .300 in Arizona. Mejia has developed into one of baseball's most highly-touted prospects. He's the kid who fashioned a 50-game hitting streak last year between Lake County and Lynchburg. Mejia batted .342 overall in 2016. He also threw out 43 percent on stolen base tries, an outstanding percentage. Mejia had bombed a couple of homers this spring. He's starting to grow into some power. Mejia hit 11 homers last year; it is his career high. He'd been more of a line-drive hitter his first few seasons. This kid will probably reach Cleveland sometime in 2018.

He's also one of the kids (outfield prospect Greg Allen is another) who were included in the erstwhile Jonathan Lucroy trade. This might turn out to be one of the greatest trades the Indians' front office never made. Mejia is an elite prospect; Allen is turning into a solid prospect with a big league future. And the other two kids, P Shawn Armstrong and SS Yu Chen, are also among the Tribe's top 10 prospects. Armstrong has a chance to win a spot in this year's bullpen.
I wouldn't trade Mejia or Allen in just any deal, but to me a prospect is simply a prospect until they become a proven MLB player. Lindor is an example of why you typically want to keep your elite prospects, but a team like the Tribe...with a wide open three year championship window...should strongly consider trading any prospect for proven MLB producers than can help win a World Series now if a worthy deal presents itself.
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Old 03-20-17, 11:34 AM
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I wouldn't trade Mejia or Allen in just any deal, but to me a prospect is simply a prospect until they become a proven MLB player. Lindor is an example of why you typically want to keep your elite prospects, but a team like the Tribe...with a wide open three year championship window...should strongly consider trading any prospect for proven MLB producers than can help win a World Series now if a worthy deal presents itself.
No!No!NO!NO!NO!


If you go overboard pawning off your better prospects chasing That One Missing Piece, you guarantee your team a short window of opportunity. An organization that makes one or two judicious trades, and hangs on to as many prospects as it can is the one that will be in position to win over a much longer term. Do you really want to see the Indians operate like the Angels or the Tigers? The Angels traded themselves into the position of having the worst farm system in baseball, chasing an elusive title that remained out of their reach. They've got Mike Trout propping up a team that would be a potential 100-game loser if not for him.

The Tigers did the same thing for years, trying to win a title while owner Mike Ilich was still alive. Well, he passed away this winter and the Tigers never managed to find the right parts to complement Miguel Cabrera and Justin Verlander. The one difference between the Tigers and Angels is that the Tigers were smart enough to part with Yoenis Cespedes for some young pitching when the realized they couldn't re-sign him, and they netted promising starter Michael Fulmer in the deal. But still, the Tigers are propped up by Cabrera, Verlander and Ian Kinsler. Their farm system is wafer thin, because then-GM David Dombrowski was always trying to add veterans. So for years, the Tigers traded off the cream of their farm system. But when Cabrera and Verlander fade, the Tigers will fall and fall hard. They'll be losers with no end in sight because of their thin farm system. That is, unless they start trading guys like Kinsler and J.D. Martinez this year. Maybe they can build themselves a future. They're sure not going to win a title with their current roster.

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Old 03-20-17, 11:48 AM
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The Indians are a small market team and will never have more than a 3-5 year window to compete, if that. Go for it as hard as you can and then sell everything once the window starts to shut, which means trading good prospects for rental players. Or you'll end up like the Reds who thought they could compete for two years longer than they should have and are now left with a pretty average farm system. And they don't have a single playoff series win to show for it
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Old 03-20-17, 11:54 AM
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I wouldn't trade Mejia or Allen in just any deal, but to me a prospect is simply a prospect until they become a proven MLB player. Lindor is an example of why you typically want to keep your elite prospects, but a team like the Tribe...with a wide open three year championship window...should strongly consider trading any prospect for proven MLB producers than can help win a World Series now if a worthy deal presents itself.
You want to know the value of a farm system? These players were drafted/signed and developed by the Indians: Danny Salazar, Josh Tomlin, Cody Allen, Cody Anderson, Ryan Merritt, Roberto Perez, Eric Gonzalez, Jason Kipnis, Francisco Lindor, Jose Ramirez, Tyler Naquin, Lonnie Chisenhall, Greg Allen, Bradley Zimmer and Yandy Diaz.

And these players started their careers in other organizations, but were obtained by the Indians as minor leaguers, and were developed into finished products by the Tribe's player development system: Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco, Trevor Bauer, Zach McAllister, Mike Clevenger, Carlos Santana, Michael Martinez and Michael Brantley.

That's the bulk of the American League Championship team, all processed through the Tribe's minor league system. I don't know if any other team has the number or quality of home-grown players that the Indians do. Maybe the Cardinals or Red Sox come close.

The Indians don't need to make a bunch of trades and they certainly don't need to gut their farm system; it's their golden ticket to a successful future. They didn't need Jonathan Lucroy last year. They don't need anyone like him this year. And they don't need to add a Dexter Fowler or Jason Hayward-type in the outfield, when neither of those guys has the power/speed potential of Zimmer; and Allen has a ceiling similar to theirs, with youth (and low salary) on his side.

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Old 03-20-17, 12:02 PM
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The Indians are a small market team and will never have more than a 3-5 year window to compete, if that. Go for it as hard as you can and then sell everything once the window starts to shut, which means trading good prospects for rental players. Or you'll end up like the Reds who thought they could compete for two years longer than they should have and are now left with a pretty average farm system. And they don't have a single playoff series win to show for it
You want to know how to keep the window open longer than 3-5 years? You keep scouting, drafting and signing elite young talent. Scouting and player development. The Cardinals have been winning since the 1920s, and it's all because they scout and develop young talent better than any organization. The Indians can do that, too. In fact, they are doing it now.

The Indians are already American League favorites. What do they need that they don't already have? If the Angels want to trade Mike Trout, the Tribe would be crazy not to listen. But for a good, but not super player like Jonathan Lucroy? If the Tribe had made that trade, it would have been robbery. The Brewers robbing Cleveland, that is. Lucroy was not worth Mejia, Allen, Chen and Armstrong. I wouldn't have traded Mejia straight up for him. Mejia will be the Indians' starting catcher by mid-season 2018.
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Old 03-21-17, 10:33 AM
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This wouldn't have seemed possible two weeks ago, but Michael Brantley just might be fit enough to be the Indians' Opening Day left fielder. Brantley went 2-for-3 with an RBI in yesterday's 14-5 win over the Dodgers. According to the PD, Brantley hit the ball hard in all three plate appearances, and looked comfortable in left field. The next test will be playing him on consecutive days.

Having Brantley ready by Opening Day isn't a sure thing. On the other hand, it's not an impossible dream. It's starting to look as if it might happen.

OK. Now for the bad news: Cody Anderson, the once-promising young pitcher who won seven games for the Tribe in 2015, will miss the entire 2017 season, and probably part of 2018. Anderson will undergo Tommy John surgery to repair his injured right elbow. The elbow has been bothering Anderson since spring training last year, and may account for some of the struggles he has experienced since then.

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Old 03-21-17, 07:39 PM
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Brantley: part-time to start would be fine with me - not that I count.

Anderson: that's a long time, but maybe this will help him turn around.
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Old 03-22-17, 10:11 AM
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Got my fingers crossed for #23 to take baby steps,it's a long season.
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Old 03-23-17, 11:26 AM
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Got my fingers crossed for #23 to take baby steps,it's a long season.

Brantley went 1-for-3 in yesterday's 10-2 loss to Colorado. A sharp single to right and two routine fly-outs to left. The Tribe was idle on Tuesday, so Dr. Smooth still hasn't played on consecutive days. I'm interested to see if he plays today. If he does and he's comfortable, that's a very encouraging sign.

Yandy Diaz also went 1-for-3 yesterday. In Monday's win over the Dodgers, Yandy went 2-for-3 with a homer and 4 RBI. Diaz is batting .444 this spring. He strikes out almost as infrequently as Brantley. Diaz rakes line drives to all fields, and is starting to develop legitimate big league power.

But he's also struggling defensively, so he's not guaranteed a roster spot when the Tribe breaks camp. Yandy played third base Monday and booted a grounder. He also had at least one shaky throw that first baseman Chris Colabello saved with some nifty glovework. Diaz also hasn't been great in the outfield. Terry Francona is trying to find a spot for Diaz, because he'd like to keep him and his .300-plus bat in the lineup. Yandy has shown that he's capable of hitting major league pitching. He played third the other day because Tito is toying with the idea of moving Jose Ramirez to second while Jason Kipnis recuperates.

I believe Diaz will make the Opening Day roster if he shows Tito that he can play even average defense, at 3B or in the outfield.

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