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Old 03-12-17, 03:30 PM
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For what it's worth, in 2012, four of the current GMC teams made the Regional Tournament. Again, not exactly surprising when this happens considering the circumstances. And unlike this year, in 2012, two of those teams were legitimate state title contenders.

But again, kudos to the GMC earning a few upsets (as well as avoiding a few potentially disastrous losses) and parlaying their enrollment and geographic advantages into an opportunity for chest-pounding. And let's also not miss this chance to justify to community stakeholders the sensibility of a league of schools 40-50 miles apart in a densely-populated area.
What circumstances do you speak of? Don't belittle a district title. Only 16 teams in DI across the entire state accomplish that feat. If 3 or 4 teams from a pool of just 8 win their district, that is incredibly impressive.

The GCC is a strong league. The deepest of any similarly-sized league in Ohio. You said they were down. You were wrong. There are no serious state title contenders, I agree. So you could say the league lacks a dominant team. But nobody would agree with you that the league is down. NOBODY

The GCC has gone 20-5 in the tournament. If you take out the two games where GCC teams were playing each other, the record is 18-3, including 5-0 in district semifinals. All eight made the sectional final. Six made the district semifinals. Five in the district final. And three won the district. It's not over yet either.
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Old 03-15-17, 09:20 AM
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Mentor and Elyria play tonight. Both are going to be underdogs, but not nearly as much of an underdog as Medina will be on Thursday against Jackson. Mentor and Elyria have a shot. They will need their A games. Medina's A game won't be enough unless Jackson is really having an off-night. Hopefully one of these GCC teams can advance, but even if they don't - it has been a great tournament run. Cleveland.com has info on all of the games tonight.

http://highschoolsports.cleveland.co...ys-semifinals/

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The skinny: St. Edward coach Eric Flannery said last year’s district title loss and a four-game losing streak to rival St. Ignatius weighed on his seniors, who combined with standout freshman guard Grant Huffman to lead their 69-50 win against the Wildcats. Mentor avenged a Euclid District title loss last year to Solon by scoring an 84-61 win behind junior guard Caden Kryz’s 25 points. This marks Mentor’s first regional appearance since 2013. Mentor coach Bob Krizancic picked up his 400th win and 594th total with Saturday’s victory.
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The skinny: A year ago, Elyria fell short of an anticipated district final vs. Lorain. The Pioneers not only got there Saturday in the Elyria Catholic, but they took the title with a 55-47 upset of the Titans. They draw another set of Titans in Toledo St. John’s, which owns a double-digit win at St. Edward on its resume. These Titans also are in the regional round after a disappointing 2016 postseason in which coach Ed Heintschel was suspended by the OHSAA. He is back with junior standout Vincent Williams Jr., the AP Northwest District Player of the Year. The winner advances to Saturday night’s regional at the University of Akron against Massillon Jackson or Medina, who play Thursday night.
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Old 03-16-17, 09:07 PM
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The Lesser Cleveland Conference is now 0-5 all-time in Regional games. So these greater programs spread themselves out at the district level and manage to pull an upset or two to sneak out of weaker districts, but then of course fail to win games against the truly elite teams in the area. It's an almost certainty that if NEDAB used the same format that other parts of the state use, the LCC would be winning fewer district titles.
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Old 03-16-17, 09:50 PM
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The Lesser Cleveland Conference is now 0-5 all-time in Regional games. So these greater programs spread themselves out at the district level and manage to pull an upset or two to sneak out of weaker districts, but then of course fail to win games against the truly elite teams in the area. It's an almost certainty that if NEDAB used the same format that other parts of the state use, the LCC would be winning fewer district titles.
1. "Spread themselves out at district level." Just because the conference is spread out geographically doesn't mean they have any say in which district the board places them. Silly comment.
2. "Weaker districts." Mentor came out of Euclid this year which had Cle. Heights, Solon and Brush. Not exactly weak.
3. This year there were no state championship contenders in the GCC but that doesn't mean it wasn't a very good league. 3 teams in the regional is pretty damn good. Medina beat Hoban and Elyria beat Lorain in district finals.
4. You've had a major axe to grind with this conference all year. Why not pick on a conference that deserves to be picked on? Why the GCC? Did someone from Mentor or Brunswick date your sister and never call her back?
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Old 03-17-17, 07:46 AM
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The Lesser Cleveland Conference is now 0-5 all-time in Regional games. So these greater programs spread themselves out at the district level and manage to pull an upset or two to sneak out of weaker districts, but then of course fail to win games against the truly elite teams in the area. It's an almost certainty that if NEDAB used the same format that other parts of the state use, the LCC would be winning fewer district titles.



Euclid was as deep as all the other local districts The top 3 teams at Euclid were better than any at Solon. Iggy and Eds were good. Rest of the district was nothing. Lakes district was extremely weak. Just wgh without their best player

So give it a rest

Mentor would have killed Garfield Hts or Lake too. They just happened to draw the best regional team. So your spin on draws (flawed as it is) can definitely be used by us too

And how did your LEL teams Cleveland Hts and Lorain do against the GCC again ?

If the GCC is a lesser conference than there aren't many greater ones. Sure as hell isnt anything special with the garbage in the LEL


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Old 03-17-17, 08:11 AM
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The Lesser Cleveland Conference is now 0-5 all-time in Regional games.
Elyria was a bad call away from having a chance to win their game at the free throw line. Medina was no match for Jackson, a team that has as good of a chance as any to win the state title. Mentor was the only GCC team that really didn't play to their potential at regional.

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So these greater programs spread themselves out at the district level and manage to pull an upset or two to sneak out of weaker districts,
Yes, they are spread out which gives more potential opportunities to win district titles. But you still have to go out and win tough games. The LEL (a traditional powerhouse basketball league) is spread out at Elyria, Euclid, Solon, and Garfield (some of those same "weaker" districts). Did they get a district winner? Nope.

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but then of course fail to win games against the truly elite teams in the area.
Lorain, Cleveland Heights, Glenville, Maple, and Hoban were all taken down by GCC teams in the district semifinal or final. Lorain was state ranked and often near/at the very top of Cleveland.com rankings. Elyria beat them. Hoban was in a similar position of success all year and yet, Medina came out on top. Solon beat Cleveland Heights, at one time considered a top 3 team on Cleveland.com. Mentor was clearly the cream of the Euclid district.

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It's an almost certainty that if NEDAB used the same format that other parts of the state use, the LCC would be winning fewer district titles.
Or maybe they win more? Throw Mentor in the Solon district and leave the Comets at Euclid. I say both of them win a district title, pushing it to four teams. The Comets would beat Garfield Heights. And find a way to score in the 30's...

I know you are partly just trying to get a reaction (job well done), but I thought I would at least defend just in case you are crazy enough to think the GCC was in a "down year."
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Old 03-17-17, 09:49 AM
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The Lesser Cleveland Conference is now 0-5 all-time in Regional games. So these greater programs spread themselves out at the district level and manage to pull an upset or two to sneak out of weaker districts, but then of course fail to win games against the truly elite teams in the area. It's an almost certainty that if NEDAB used the same format that other parts of the state use, the LCC would be winning fewer district titles.
I've seen some truly asinine posts on Yappi over the years and I've got to say, this one should be in the Asinine Hall of Fame.

You are so obsessed with the GCC, that you've become Captain Ahab. The GCC is your Moby Dick. Obsession, obsession, obsession. Look what it did to Ahab.

I don't know if the root of your obsession is the fact that Cleveland Heights was rejected by the GCC in favor of Euclid. But if it is, that would seem an odd bone to pick for a Benedictine alumnus. If it makes you feel any better, I'd rather drive to the Heights for a road game than to Elyria. But hey, I'm just a Yappi poster. My vote doesn't count for anything.
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Old 03-17-17, 06:57 PM
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Old 03-18-17, 09:25 AM
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I've seen some truly asinine posts on Yappi over the years and I've got to say, this one should be in the Asinine Hall of Fame.

You are so obsessed with the GCC, that you've become Captain Ahab. The GCC is your Moby Dick. Obsession, obsession, obsession. Look what it did to Ahab.

I don't know if the root of your obsession is the fact that Cleveland Heights was rejected by the GCC in favor of Euclid. But if it is, that would seem an odd bone to pick for a Benedictine alumnus. If it makes you feel any better, I'd rather drive to the Heights for a road game than to Elyria. But hey, I'm just a Yappi poster. My vote doesn't count for anything.
How do you feel about driving to Twinsburg or Hudson? Because that's Solon's future.
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Old 03-18-17, 09:26 AM
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1. "Spread themselves out at district level." Just because the conference is spread out geographically doesn't mean they have any say in which district the board places them. Silly comment.
2. "Weaker districts." Mentor came out of Euclid this year which had Cle. Heights, Solon and Brush. Not exactly weak.
3. This year there were no state championship contenders in the GCC but that doesn't mean it wasn't a very good league. 3 teams in the regional is pretty damn good. Medina beat Hoban and Elyria beat Lorain in district finals.
4. You've had a major axe to grind with this conference all year. Why not pick on a conference that deserves to be picked on? Why the GCC? Did someone from Mentor or Brunswick date your sister and never call her back?
The LCC is overrated, period. It's not personal.
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Old 03-18-17, 09:32 AM
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Euclid was as deep as all the other local districts The top 3 teams at Euclid were better than any at Solon. Iggy and Eds were good. Rest of the district was nothing. Lakes district was extremely weak. Just wgh without their best player
Euclid was not that deep, and certainly not head and shoulders above the Solon District. Heights lost to Maple twice, and Solon's scores in the latter half of the season indicate struggles with Euclid and Shaker.

If we had a district format that mirrored the rest of the state, Iggy replaces Elyria, and Hoover or someone else even probably replaces Medina.
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Old 03-18-17, 09:38 AM
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Euclid was not that deep, and certainly not head and shoulders above the Solon District. Heights lost to Maple twice, and Solon's scores in the latter half of the season indicate struggles with Euclid and Shaker.

If we had a district format that mirrored the rest of the state, Iggy replaces Elyria, and Hoover or someone else even probably replaces Medina.
Hoover goes to Alliance, Ignatius goes to Solon (and beats Garfield), and Mentor/Solon probably remain at Euclid. Lorain/Elyria likely remain the top two at Elyria. Why would Ignatius go out to Elyria instead of Solon...especially if Lorain AND Elyria are out there. Solon district teams were down big time this year. Ignatius or Eds would have scooped that up.

Let's just entertain your crazy talk. Name me a league that was better this year than the GCC. Name me a league that would get 3-4 or more district champions, even in a world where we had a super district of 7 locations.

BTW, you stating that Euclid and Shaker gave Solon (and others like Garfield Heights, Mentor, Maple, etc.) some fits at the end of the season only further confirms how deep the GCC was this year.
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Old 03-18-17, 09:40 AM
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Elyria was a bad call away from having a chance to win their game at the free throw line. Medina was no match for Jackson, a team that has as good of a chance as any to win the state title. Mentor was the only GCC team that really didn't play to their potential at regional.

Lorain, Cleveland Heights, Glenville, Maple, and Hoban were all taken down by GCC teams in the district semifinal or final. Lorain was state ranked and often near/at the very top of Cleveland.com rankings. Elyria beat them. Hoban was in a similar position of success all year and yet, Medina came out on top. Solon beat Cleveland Heights, at one time considered a top 3 team on Cleveland.com. Mentor was clearly the cream of the Euclid district.

Or maybe they win more? Throw Mentor in the Solon district and leave the Comets at Euclid. I say both of them win a district title, pushing it to four teams. The Comets would beat Garfield Heights. And find a way to score in the 30's...
Solon would not beat Garfield Heights. They wouldn't beat St. Ignatius, they wouldn't beat North Canton Hoover, they wouldn't beat Lorain. We could go on. The Comets are not deserving of a district title in Northeast Ohio, despite GCC fans seeming to believe that geographic distribution entitles them to multiple champions. And in fact, if you want to play the game of "almosts," the Comets were a play away from losing to Willoughby South and to Cleveland Heights.
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Old 03-18-17, 10:02 AM
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Hoover goes to Alliance, Ignatius goes to Solon (and beats Garfield), and Mentor/Solon probably remain at Euclid. Lorain/Elyria likely remain the top two at Elyria. Why would Ignatius go out to Elyria instead of Solon...especially if Lorain AND Elyria are out there. Solon district teams were down big time this year. Ignatius or Eds would have scooped that up.
Okay, let's simplify this. With the type of districting format that was used in 2015 (which was better than what we have), it's a certainly that Eds and Iggy would have gone to different districts, meaning one of them probably ends up in the same district as Elyria. And taking that a step further, Medina almost certainly ends up in a district with either Jackson or Hoover and Lake.

Either way, the implications of that are clear, because no one here is blind enough to really believe that, other than Mentor, the GCC had another team in the Top 7 in Northeast Ohio.

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Let's just entertain your crazy talk. Name me a league that was better this year than the GCC. Name me a league that would get 3-4 or more district champions, even in a world where we had a super district of 7 locations.
Obviously the Federal League could have done it if they were not shoehorned into two districts. And yes, regardless of any of that, the Federal League was better than the GCC.

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BTW, you stating that Euclid and Shaker gave Solon (and others like Garfield Heights, Mentor, Maple, etc.) some fits at the end of the season only further confirms how deep the GCC was this year.
Shaker was decent, but not Euclid. Deep is not the right word. It had parity.
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How do you feel about driving to Twinsburg or Hudson? Because that's Solon's future.
Solon had been in the CVC, the WRC and the NOC with Twinsburg, dating back to 1964. Twinsburg chose to part company with Solon; not the other way around. They don't want to be in a league with Solon. Hudson doesn't want to be in a league with Solon. They walked away, too, using the excuse that they wanted to be in a Summit County league, then watched Brecksville and North Royalton join the SL.

And Mayfield doesn't want to be in a league with Solon. Neither does Brush, nor Chagrin Falls, nor Orange, Stow, nor any other east side school that comes to mind, except for Shaker, Euclid and Mentor.

The Comets are in a league with schools that want to be in a league with them. Get over it already, Ahab. Stop chasing the White Whale.

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