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Old 04-28-16, 04:10 PM
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Raiders to Las Vegas?

Lots of talk on ESPN about the Raiders moving to Las Vegas. What do you think about this potential move?
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Old 04-28-16, 04:13 PM
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Personally, I like it. It's time for Vegas to have a professional team and football is the best sport.

The fear is fixing of games and players being drawn to the nightlife. IMO, football would be the hardest game to fix because of the intense interest in the games, the limited opportunities (16 vs 82 vs 162), and the inability to effect that game by one person as much as in basketball and somewhat baseball.

As for the nightlife, Johnny Manziel has shown that a player can throw his life away no matter what team he is playing for. The players make so much money, they can party anywhere.
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Old 04-28-16, 04:39 PM
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Personally, I like it. It's time for Vegas to have a professional team and football is the best sport.

The fear is fixing of games and players being drawn to the nightlife. IMO, football would be the hardest game to fix because of the intense interest in the games, the limited opportunities (16 vs 82 vs 162), and the inability to effect that game by one person as much as in basketball and somewhat baseball.

As for the nightlife, Johnny Manziel has shown that a player can throw his life away no matter what team he is playing for. The players make so much money, they can party anywhere.
You can fix games from anywhere. I would be more worried about college kids and points shaving than NFL games in vegs

The common issue is how many actual residents of the area will become fans and fill the stadium.
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Old 04-28-16, 06:06 PM
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The common issue is how many actual residents of the area will become fans and fill the stadium.
Good point. Some of the ESPN guys were making the comment that they would go to Las Vegas and it would be great to catch a Sunday afternoon NFL football game while they were out there. I'm guessing they might have as many or more fans doing this than any other city, but probably not enough to make a real dent in attendance.
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Old 04-28-16, 06:10 PM
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Every Casino will have a suite plus they will have regular tickets to give away.
The Raiders stated today that they will put up some of the money for a stadium

" Davis says the team is ready to contribute $500 million if the city approves a stadium plan"
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Old 04-28-16, 06:42 PM
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I will be a fan of any team located in Vegas
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Old 04-28-16, 09:15 PM
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I will be a fan of any team located in Vegas
I like the way you think ... somehow it just seams right for the Raiders.
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Old 04-28-16, 10:57 PM
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Seems like a good fit

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Old 04-28-16, 10:58 PM
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Good fit. Make the move.
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Old 04-28-16, 11:01 PM
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Of all the 32 teams, the Raiders make the most sense and are most acceptable moving to Vegas. First, they have no city loyalty, so you can't even stand up and argue against them moving on those grounds. They seem to have no hope of getting an NFL venue in Oakland, and playing the west coast version of the Jets by shacking up in Levi's Stadium is a non-starter for them, it seems.

The NFL would be much happier with the Raiders on the west coast instead of San Antonio. Cowboys and Texas will as well. The Cardinals may fight it, but Cardinals fans would love a potential close road game every few years.

There's already a lot of Denver fans in Utah, but the Raiders might be able to tap into those west of the Wasatch in a way that the Broncos have trouble. Broncos fans, though, would love the road games in Vegas. A reasonable drive that becomes a weekend vacation for a game.

And the fear of gambling is a joke. Most gambling takes place off the books. And any rigging of games from Vegas associated gambling can happen anywhere with a phone call or plane ride.
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Old 04-29-16, 04:07 PM
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Good point. Some of the ESPN guys were making the comment that they would go to Las Vegas and it would be great to catch a Sunday afternoon NFL football game while they were out there. I'm guessing they might have as many or more fans doing this than any other city, but probably not enough to make a real dent in attendance.
Maybe. What do you think is the average stay when people visit vegas? 3 or so days maybe? I have no idea, no desire to ever go. Imagine some visiting would do so but I think most would just rather do the stuff that everyone has always been doing in vegas instead of investing 4-6 hours in a football game plus whatever $$ they would have to lay down for it all
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Old 04-29-16, 04:13 PM
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Maybe. What do you think is the average stay when people visit vegas? 3 or so days maybe? I have no idea, no desire to ever go. Imagine some visiting would do so but I think most would just rather do the stuff that everyone has always been doing in vegas instead of investing 4-6 hours in a football game plus whatever $$ they would have to lay down for it all
Honestly, I don't know much about Las Vegas. It would be interesting to find out the number of people that get free tickets from the Casinos for the various plays/concerts/shows around town. As Termite2 said, the Casinos would use this to keep their customers happy.

While these shows and concerts are happening 365 days a year, there would be only 8 home dates for them to give tickets away for football games. This might be a great attraction for the Casinos to target the visiting teams each of those weeks.
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Old 04-29-16, 04:45 PM
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Yeah, they could comp some tickets to keep some customers happy.
I could see maybe trying to offer travel deals to the incoming can base to attend the game, stay for another day or two. I would think most of the comped tickets though will go to those an a much higher pay grade than most.

Most of that stuff to keep customers/visitors happy will have more to do with keeping those people in and around the casinos, not sending them away to a a game for hours and hours on end. Not exactly sure where the stadium will be, but with games being 3-3.5 hours, travel and traffic before/after the game, and you easily will have 5-7 hours invested in the game..which means that much more time away from the casinos, restaurants, shows...etc.
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Old 04-30-16, 09:09 PM
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I'm actually liking this move more and more. California already has too many football teams. Moving them to Nevada would open this team up to new fans but I could see most Raiders fans sticking with them.

I always thought that NBA basketball would be the first of the three oldtime sports leagues to make the move to Las Vegas.
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Old 05-01-16, 10:33 AM
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Build a retractable domed stadium with a casino/hotel complex attached. Appease the NFL with no sports book on site. NFL...Final Four....Republic National Convention...Promise Keepers. (Well, maybe not Promise Keepers.)
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Old 05-02-16, 07:34 AM
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I'm actually liking this move more and more. California already has too many football teams. Moving them to Nevada would open this team up to new fans but I could see most Raiders fans sticking with them.

I always thought that NBA basketball would be the first of the three oldtime sports leagues to make the move to Las Vegas.
The cocaine fiasco in the late 70s/early 80's prevented an NBA team from ever going to LV.
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Old 05-02-16, 07:54 AM
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The XFL did fine in Vegas... well never mind...
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Old 05-06-16, 11:34 AM
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Not saying the comparison is bad, but I believe that sports fandom today is mostly about being a "frontrunner." Starting from zero in a new league, the odds of failure were very high. Seems the whole league suffered.

The Raiders have a brand that attracts fans in the most popular sport in our country. It may struggle in Las Vegas but the guaranteed money they would have to move there would keep the Raiders ownership happy for decades.
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Old 05-08-16, 01:47 AM
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I wonder who will be first to Vegas, the NFL or NHL.
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Old 05-08-16, 11:56 PM
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I wonder who will be first to Vegas, the NFL or NHL.
Well the NHL has seemed to cool off completely on expansion for now so I'd say it's 50/50 at this point
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Old 05-09-16, 12:41 AM
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I think there needs to be a pretty good business plan put in lace for this to be as good of an idea as people think. The games will be sold out but if all those tickets are bought by casinos and tour agencies looking to make package deals they'll never be able to build a solid local fan base which gives games their atmosphere. I think there's been talk that the NFL would try to keep the local game off the board which would hurt the interest for those that are looking to bet a game they're attending. Also NFL Sunday's are big for the sports books. Would those betting the board want to attend a single game and likely miss live results of other games they have money on?
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Old 05-09-16, 12:49 AM
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North Las Vegas is exploding. LV metro has almost 2 million residents, so if you add in the support of tourists and the fans left from LA and Oakland that would travel to games I think the Raiders would do great there.
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Old 05-09-16, 07:19 AM
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I think there needs to be a pretty good business plan put in lace for this to be as good of an idea as people think. The games will be sold out but if all those tickets are bought by casinos and tour agencies looking to make package deals they'll never be able to build a solid local fan base which gives games their atmosphere. I think there's been talk that the NFL would try to keep the local game off the board which would hurt the interest for those that are looking to bet a game they're attending. Also NFL Sunday's are big for the sports books. Would those betting the board want to attend a single game and likely miss live results of other games they have money on?
Well given that mobile phones, announcers, TVs and radios are all real things: probably.
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Old 05-11-16, 02:25 AM
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Well given that mobile phones, announcers, TVs and radios are all real things: probably.
For the degenerate gambler who bets everything sure they don't care about watching the games but for a good majority they go to Vegas and like to have all the games on tv to watch at one time. I'm sure a Vegas stadium would have the top wifi service they could get but for the most part you can only watch one game at a time on your phone. Add to that the NFL would likely block access to betting sites/apps. Yes I know there are ways around this but the simple one of turning off your wifi isn't likely to work in a dome stadium. If you've been to Vegas for a big sporting event day then you know the atmosphere is something that can't fully be described. Witnessing the ups and downs in real time is something a lot of people truly enjoy. Bengals and Browns fans become best friends because they both bet against the Steelers. People root for their own team to miss a FG because they had the under. Just an odd but fun world.
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Old 05-11-16, 07:31 AM
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Because live updates aren't a thing. TVs probably aren't a thing either. Yeah a team in Vegas, filled with degenerates isn't going to have hundreds of TVs in the concourses, club levels, etc. showing the other games. Turning your wifi off in a dome stadium will still work.
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Old 05-11-16, 01:50 PM
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Well the NHL has seemed to cool off completely on expansion for now so I'd say it's 50/50 at this point
Which is a good thing....the NHL doesn't need to expand at all.
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Old 05-11-16, 06:56 PM
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Because live updates aren't a thing. TVs probably aren't a thing either. Yeah a team in Vegas, filled with degenerates isn't going to have hundreds of TVs in the concourses, club levels, etc. showing the other games. Turning your wifi off in a dome stadium will still work.
So all the fans watching other games on the concourse will make for an awesome atmosphere...check

Getting service in a largely populated area can be very difficult at times. And getting updates on your phone isn't close to watching it live on tv. Play by play isn't going to say you just won or lost your bet on an amazing play.
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Old 05-11-16, 09:22 PM
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I think this is a bad idea. I don't see them gaining a loyal consistent fan base. The NFL will make the move if they can make money, which I think they will. The stadium will always be sold out, but how many people will actually be in the stands.

If I go to Vegas I'm not going to go see a football game when I'm there. I can do that here.

I know Vegas has a good population of locals, I just don't see it as a football town.

Oakland loves there football and it would be a shame to see them lose their team, like Cleveland. I hope they stay and their new stadium.
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Old 05-11-16, 09:54 PM
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There are two million residents of Las Vegas. It's not a city filled with degenerate gamblers. They'll have a fanbase.
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Old 05-11-16, 10:22 PM
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There are two million residents of Las Vegas. It's not a city filled with degenerate gamblers. They'll have a fanbase.
My big thing is if those 2 million citizens can't get into games due to the casinos and other companies buying up all the tickets will they ever be a "true fan". Vegas also has one of the highest 24 hour occupation rates in the country (jobs who work 24/7) which cuts down on those able to watch every week. Also attendance for teams that are currently in Vegas haven't been great but I'd say that has more to do with the fact they're minor league sports.
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