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Old 12-29-16, 11:43 PM
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Alexander leads nation with 6 sub 4 miles

At year's end, Colby Alexander lead all U.S. milers with six sub 4 efforts. His NJNY teammate, Johnny Gregorek was right behind with 5.

Additionally, he ran six 1500 meter races between 3:34 and 3:38 which translate to between 3:52 and 3:56 for the mile.

Twelve races of that caliber in one season is quite remarkable.

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Old 01-11-17, 02:10 AM
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Alexander earns top five ranking in 1500, Murphy 8th.

Track and Field News came out with their annual year-end rankings and Ohio was well represented at 1500 meters.

Colby Alexander earned a top 5 ranking (5th) and Clayton Murphy came in at 8th.

Colby's 5th place ranking was the highest by an Ohioan since Rob Myers ranked 5th back in 2007.

Colby's 3:34.88 ranked as the 3rd fastest 1500 by an American.
That time ranked 29th in the World and 10th among non-Africans.
He won the high profile Tracktown Summer Series 1500, ran more sub 4 minute miles than any other U.S. miler, was an Olympic Trials 1500 finalist and almost upset Olympic gold medalist Matthew Centrowitz at the NYRRC 5th Ave Mile, running 3:50.3.

As with Clayton's World ranking in the 800 (see separate thread), I thought Colby should have been ranked higher than 5th. Not much higher...but 4th...ahead of Manzano. Leo literally only had one good race all year (a 4th at the Trials) and otherwise had the worst year of his career. A ranking should be based on your body of work. Leo had no other races indoors or out to support a ranking that high. Barely top 10, IMO.

Clayton earned an 8th ranking based on his NCAA win and his 3:36.23, just 3 hundredths off the Olympic A standard. He was the 10th fastest American with his 3:36.23.

Way to rep Ohio!!
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Old 01-11-17, 01:12 PM
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**Letsrun.com is a popular running website catering to distance events. It has a mixed bag reputation. The negative rap it sometimes gets is because of the negative vibes the boards many times take on. BUT their up to date news and their reporting are reasons to visit.

**Their editors ranked each event for 2016 and came up with slightly different takes in many events than did our Bible, Track and Field News. Their criteria and protocol for ranking makes more sense to me than the criteria Track and Field News employs.

**For example, Letsrun counts indoor track. T&FN does not. If there is a World Championship, a U.S. Championship and a very competitive NCAA season, why wouldn't you count it? All of our Olympians ran indoors. It's not like HS where a good percentage of athletes don't participate.

**Also Letsrun will not give a high ranking to an athlete based on one good race. Unless it is an "off the charts" crazy fast time (like Jager's 3:32 1500 two years ago).They base your ranking on your entire year's body of work. T&FN will rank you very high based on one race, if it's the right one. Olympic Trials, for instance.

**LR had Colby 4th US and T&FN had him #5. That's usually a "splitting hairs" thing that really isn't too debatable until you see that the difference was T&FN put Manzano 4th (ahead of Colby) while LR only had Manzano an Honorable Mention. Letsrun got it right. Manzano's 4th at the Trials was his only good race of the year.

**Manzano didn't put up any other good races all year before or after the Olympic Trials. Didn't run indoors. Didn't run a top 10 time. Didn't win any races (not even close). In fact in head to head races with the top ranked runners, Leo never won. It was, in fact, the worst season of his career. LR got it right ranking Colby 4th.

Just my 2 cents.

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Old 01-30-17, 12:26 AM
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Colby Alexander and Clayton Murphy opened up their 2017 indoor seasons this last weekend.

Colby ran at the Armory in NYC in the Columbia East-West Challenge. He doubled, running the leadoff 1200 leg of the DMR for the Hoka NJNY Track Club and then coming back to run the 3000.

With Oregon, Penn, UCLA, UConn and Columbia in the DMR field, the goal was for the NJNY team to help set a fast pace to help set up some NCAA qualifying times for the collegiate entries.

Colby led off with the 1200 leg, running straight 29's for 6 laps, handing off in 2:54, giving NJNY a sizeable lead. It was a great first effort for the season as that is 3:52 mile pace.

In terms of helping the collegiate teams along, mission accomplished, as Oregon ran a collegiate leading 9:30. Edward Cheserek anchored with a 3:54 1600!

Alexander then capped off his first meet with some over distance work racing to an 8:10 in the 3000.

Clayton Murphy debuted as well, running in Boston at the New Balance Games.
He moved up in distance, running the 3000 vs a stellar field. He finished back in the field but ran a PR 8:16.

Both Colby and Clayton will be running the Wanamaker Mile at the Millrose Games in two weeks. This is the most prestigious indoor mile race in the world. It's a feather in our cap as Ohio track fans to have two former Ohio 1600 State Champs in such a world class event.
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Old 02-13-17, 12:23 PM
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Clayton Murphy, Colby Alexander and Cory Leslie competed in the Wanamaker Mile Saturday night at the 110th annual Millrose Games at the Armory in NYC. The Wanamaker Mile is the most prestigious indoor mile in the world

Ater a start that saw all three Ohio schoolboy alums get off the line slowly, they eventually began moving up thru the field. Murphy used his lethal kick on the final lap to nail down second in 3:54.31.. Alexander moved up over the final 2 laps to secure 5th in the 12 man field in 3:55.99 and Cory Leslie placed 9th in 3:57.86.

My observation was that Murphy's slow start cost him the win. Or at least a good shot at it. Eric Jenkins won in 3:53.23 but had already gapped Murphy with a lap to go. He simply had too much to make up on the world-class Jenkins. Likewise, I thought Alexander's slow start cost him a top 3 finish. He has beaten all 4 runners that finished ahead of him but not going out and running with them from the start may have hurt him Saturday.

The good news is that both Clayton and Colby recorded indoor mile PR's. Those times should easily be fast enough to qualify them for the USA indoor championships in March.

Top 5 at Millrose Wanamaker Mile
Eric Jenkins Nike Oregon Project 3:53.23
Clayton Murphy Nike 3:54.31
Kyle Merber NJNY TC Hoka. 3:54.67
Charles Philibert-Thiboutot asics Canada 3:55.33
Colby Alexander. NJNY TC. Hoka. 3:55.99
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Old 02-13-17, 12:29 PM
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Regarding my last post on Millrose, Clayton Murphy just moved up on the Ohio All-Time Milers List. Check out the revised All-Time Mile List as well as the All-Time 1500 list below:
Here is the updated list of top milers in Ohio history.

1) Tom Byers 3:50.84 run in 1982
2) Dave Wottle 3:53.3 (HT) run in 1973
3) Corey Leslie 3:53.44 run in 2014
4) Rob Myers 3:53.78 run in 2004
5)Clayton Murphy 3:54.31 run in 2017
6) Colby Alexander 3:54.94 run in 2016
7) Jeff See 3:55.24 run in 2012
8) Steve Foster 3:55.1 (HT) run in 1977
9) Kevin Ryan 3:55.9 (HT) run in 1983
10) Bob Kennedy 3:56.21 1994


NOTE: Dave Wottle's 3:53.3 was run in a race in Eugene, Oregon at Hayward Field. Pre invited Wottle to come and race him in a mile. Wottle outkicked Pre for the win in the second fastest time ever run by an American. Only Jim Ryun's World Record 3:51.1 was faster at the time. This race is featured in the "Fire On The Track" documentary on Pre.

NOTE: Colby Alexander ran a 3:50.30 mile at the NYRRC 5th Avenue Mile in 2016. That is the fastest mile ever recorded by an Ohioan indoors, outdoors or on a certified road mile
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Old 02-13-17, 12:33 PM
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And once again, relating to my last 2 posts, here is the All-Time 1500 list.

Colby Alexander 3:34.88 run in 2016
Rob Myers 3:34.89 run in 2005
Corey Leslie 3:34.93 run in 2013
Jeff See 3:35.21 run in 2012
Tom Byers 3:35.75 run in 1982
Dave Wottle 3:36.2 HT run in 1973
Clayton Murphy 3:36.23 run in 2016
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Old 02-13-17, 01:07 PM
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Looking at the last 3 posts by state the obvious, I find it remarkable that Bob Kennedy is just 10th on our All-Time mile list. Bob is one of our country's greatest ever. I realize Bob was more of a 5K guy but we know world class 5000 guys are required to possess world class mile speed. And he did show he had mile chops, as evidenced by his 3:56 PR. And that just shows you how high quality our state All-Time List is

It demonstrates the incredible level of talent that comes out of Ohio in the mile.
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Old 02-13-17, 05:28 PM
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My observation was that Murphy's slow start cost him the win. Or at least a good shot at it. Eric Jenkins won in 3:53.23 but had already gapped Murphy with a lap to go. He simply had too much to make up on the world-class Jenkins. Likewise, I thought Alexander's slow start cost him a top 3 finish. He has beaten all 4 runners that finished ahead of him but not going out and running with them from the start may have hurt him Saturday.

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I don't think it was Murphy's slow start as much as it was that he didn't continually move up to the right position by the time they hit the 1200 mark. You can tell he wanted to sit back a bit in the beginning, which was fine, but he needed to move a bit sooner in order to be close enough to contend with 200 to go. You can even see that at one point he goes to move up after realizing Jenkins had made his move and ends up in lane three, not being used to the brevity of the straights. Tactically he just isn't experienced in a fast mile on a 200m banked, but I bet next time he'll be more than ready. He learns quick it seems.

Great showing by all three Ohio guys.
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Old 03-05-17, 10:52 PM
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OHIO MILERS 1-2 in USATF INDOOR NATS

Clayton Murphy and Brannon Kidder took 1-2 at the USA Indoor National Championships today at 1000 meters in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Another Ohioan, Drew Windle (New Albany HS, 2011 D1 State Champ 800 Meters) placed 5th.

Murphy (2:18.60) and Kidder (2:19.10) were both under the USATF Chmps meet record. Murphy's winning time was the fastest in the world this year.

Colby Alexander was entered in the 1000 but was a last minute scratch from the meet. Had he run, Ohio could very well have had an excellent shot at a 1-2-3 finish!!

Congratulations to Clayton, Brannon and Drew!
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Old 07-12-17, 01:14 AM
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It's been awhile since I last posted (Late March!) and a lot has happened with our Ohio mile alums.

Clayton Murphy currently owns the fastest mile time in the US at 3:51.99. That came at the Pre Classic at Historic Hayward Field where he took 5th in a world class field. Clayton is now #2 on the Ohio All-Time list, trailing only Tom Byers (3:50.84, 1982).

Colby Alexander missed 3 months between Mid Feb and Mid May with a calf injury. After running an indoor mile PR at the Wanamaker mile at the Millrose Games in NYC, he missed the next 3 months and it looked as if his outdoor season was in jeopardy. After only a few weeks of training he debuted at USA's with a 3:42 in his 1500 heat, just missing the last qualifying spot to the final. The next week at the Portland Tracktown Summer Series, he almost stole the race against a field that was basically the same field as the USA final. His time of 3:37.86 was only 4 tenths from the win. Four days later he ran 3:36.10, only a second off the win at the TT Summer Series final against the same field in NYC. That time is the #6 time run in the US so far this year. At this rate of improvement, it could be a great summer for Colby!

Sam Prakel has a year left at Oregon but he's already making a splash on the national level. Sam was a 1500 finalist at the USA Championships (7th) and has run 3:37.79 for 1500. That's equal to a 3:55.21 mile. Oregon makes their mark churning out world class milers!

Cory Leslie ran a 3:38.10 at Swarthmore. That converts to a 3:55.55 mile.

Ryan Adams (CVCA HS), a soph at Furman, ran 3:42.90 at the Raleigh Relays. That is a 4:00.73 mile equiv. Will he become the 24th Ohioan to run sub 4???

Or will it be Indiana frosh, Kyle Mau (Hudson HS)?? Kyle ran 4:00.37 indoors this year. Missed by the blink of an eye!

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Old 07-12-17, 01:27 AM
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Also, related to my last post, here are some Ohio alum that are on the brink of breaking 4. But as we all know, those last seconds and tenths are the toughest to take off!

Mick Stanovsek...Notre Dame Cathedral Latin HS....U of Oregon frosh....ran 4:02.69 for the Ducks.

Along with his 3:42.90 for 1500, Ryan Adams, (CVCA HS), soph Furman, ran 4:02.73 for one mile.

Jacob Dumford (Westerville North HS), SR at Notre Dame, ran 4:02.77.

Willy Fink (Maumee HS), SR at Eastern Michigan ran 4:02.88.
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Old 07-12-17, 02:08 AM
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Updated list of top milers

Here is the updated list of top milers in Ohio History:

1) Tom Byers 3:50.84 run in 1982
2) Clayton Murphy 3:51.99 run in 2017
3) Dave Wottle 3:53.3 (HT) run in 1973
4) Cory Leslie 3:53.44 run in 2014
5) Rob Myers 3:53.78 run in 2004
6) Colby Alexander 3:54.94 run in 2016
7) Jeff See 3:55.24 run in 2012
8) Steve Foster 3:55.1 (HT) run in 1977
9) Kevin Ryan 3:55.9 (HT) run in 1983
10) Bob Kennedy 3:56.21 run in 1994

NOTE: Dave Wottle's 3:53.3 was run in a race in Eugene, Oregon at Hayward Field. Pre invited Wottle to come out and race him in a mile. Wottle outkicked Pre for the win in, what was at the time, the second fastest time ever run by an American. Only Jim Ryun's World Record 3:51.1 was faster at the time. This race is featured in the "Fire On The Track" documentary on Pre.

NOTE: Colby Alexander ran 3:50.3 (HT) at the NYRRC 5th Avenue Mile in 2016. That is the fastest mile ever run by an Ohioan indoors, outdoors, or on a certified road mile.
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Old 07-12-17, 02:27 AM
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Here is the updated list of the top 1500 runners in Ohio history:

1) Colby Alexander 3:34.88 run in 2016
2) Rob Myers 3:34.89 run in 2005
3) Cory Leslie 3:34.93 run in 2013
4) Jeff See 3:35.21 run in 2012
5) Tom Byers 3:35.75 run in 1982
6) Dave Wottle 3:36.2 (HT) run in 1973
7) Clayton Murphy 3:36.23 run in 2016

To make the list, Murphy's 1500 converts to a 3:53.53 mile.

To top the list, Alexander's 1500 converts to a 3:52.07 mile.

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Old 07-12-17, 03:44 PM
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In the above post regarding Ohioans that have been running fast miles lately, I forgot to mention Brannon Kidder. Brannon (Lancaster HS) PR'd in the 1500 in Europe recently, running 3:38.71 in London just a few days ago, on July 9. Brannon presently runs for the Brooks Beasts based out of Seattle.
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Old 07-26-17, 04:11 PM
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Sam Prakel makes All-Time Ohio Mile list!

Oregon junior Sam Prakel (Versailles HS) ran a 3:55.89 mile in Cork, Ireland, on July 18, for his first win on the European circuit to put himself in at #9 on the All-Time Mile list for Ohio milers. Sam knocked Ohio legend Bob Kennedy out of the top ten!! That's as much of an accomplishment as the 3:55!!

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Old 07-26-17, 04:13 PM
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Here is the updated list of top milers in Ohio History:

1) Tom Byers 3:50.84 run in 1982
2) Clayton Murphy 3:51.99 run in 2017
3) Dave Wottle 3:53.3 (HT) run in 1973
4) Cory Leslie 3:53.44 run in 2014
5) Rob Myers 3:53.78 run in 2004
6) Colby Alexander 3:54.94 run in 2016
7) Jeff See 3:55.24 run in 2012
8) Steve Foster 3:55.1 (HT) run in 1977
9) Sam Prakel 3:55.89 run in 2017
10) Kevin Ryan 3:55.9 (HT) run in 1983
11) Bob Kennedy 3:56.21 run in 1994

NOTE: Dave Wottle's 3:53.3 was run in a race in Eugene, Oregon at Hayward Field. Pre invited Wottle to come out and race him in a mile. Wottle outkicked Pre for the win in, what was at the time, the second fastest time ever run by an American. Only Jim Ryun's World Record 3:51.1 was faster at the time. This race is featured in the "Fire On The Track" documentary on Pre.

NOTE: Colby Alexander ran 3:50.3 (HT) at the NYRRC 5th Avenue Mile in 2016. That is the fastest mile ever run by an Ohioan indoors, outdoors, or on a certified road mile.
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Old 07-28-17, 08:21 AM
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Just saw a facebook post by Scott Fry. Fastest 1500 meter runners in Ohio history. He was going by memory so I double checked his stats just to make sure he was correct and he was, almost. He was one second off on one guy and 2 seconds on another. Pretty good memory! Here are the findings:

Rob Myers 3:34.89 run in 2005
Corey Leslie 3:34.93 run in 2013
Jeff See 3:35.21 run in 2012
Dave Wottle 3:36.2 Hand Time run in 1973
Colby Alexander 3:36.56 run in 2015

Current formula for conversion to mile is:
1500 in seconds x 1.08

Based on that formula here are their mile times:

Rob Myers 3:52.08
Corey Leslie 3:52.12
Jeff See 3:52.43
Dave Wottle 3:53.76
Colby Alexander 3:53.88

Tom Byers definitely deserves a mention. Although his fastest 1500 time was "only" 3:37.5 (HT), he ran a mile in 3:50.84. That is the fastest mile in Ohio history for an Ohio native and I believe he's the 11th fastest miler in U.S. history.
Pretty sure Byers split 3:35-3:36 in that 3:50.84 mile. Enroute 1500m splits DO count in international statistical compilations, as long as there was a timer or timing machine at that point. I'd have to go back and check my T&FN's from back then to see if it was done.
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Thanks for the post JAVMAN83.

You were referring to a post almost 2 years old. That list has been updated several times in subsequent posts in this thread. FYI, this thread and the mile/1500 lists continues to update as new info surfaces and new times are run.

You were correct, however. Tom Byers did run 3:35.75. It's reflected on the updated list below.

Here is the updated list of the top 1500 runners in Ohio history:

1) Colby Alexander 3:34.88 run in 2016
2) Rob Myers 3:34.89 run in 2005
3) Cory Leslie 3:34.93 run in 2013
4) Jeff See 3:35.21 run in 2012
5) Tom Byers 3:35.75 run in 1982
6) Dave Wottle 3:36.2 (HT) run in 1973
7) Clayton Murphy 3:36.23 run in 2016

To make the list, Murphy's 1500 converts to a 3:53.53 mile.

To top the list, Alexander's 1500 converts to a 3:52.07 mile.

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JAVMAN83...Here is the updated Top Mile list to go along with my last post (top 1500 list)...

Here is the updated list of top milers in Ohio History:

1) Tom Byers 3:50.84 run in 1982
2) Clayton Murphy 3:51.99 run in 2017
3) Dave Wottle 3:53.3 (HT) run in 1973
4) Cory Leslie 3:53.44 run in 2014
5) Rob Myers 3:53.78 run in 2004
6) Colby Alexander 3:54.94 run in 2016
7) Jeff See 3:55.24 run in 2012
8) Steve Foster 3:55.1 (HT) run in 1977
9) Sam Prakel 3:55.89 run in 2017
10) Kevin Ryan 3:55.9 (HT) run in 1983
11) Bob Kennedy 3:56.21 run in 1994

NOTE: Dave Wottle's 3:53.3 was run in a race in Eugene, Oregon at Hayward Field. Pre invited Wottle to come out and race him in a mile. Wottle outkicked Pre for the win in, what was at the time, the second fastest time ever run by an American. Only Jim Ryun's World Record 3:51.1 was faster at the time. This race is featured in the "Fire On The Track" documentary on Pre.

NOTE: Colby Alexander ran 3:50.3 (HT) at the NYRRC 5th Avenue Mile in 2016. That is the fastest mile ever run by an Ohioan indoors, outdoors, or on a certified road mile.
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Nice stuff, StateTheObvious
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