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Old 08-06-18, 10:44 AM
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Facebook removes Alex Jones pages, citing repeated hate speech violations

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Facebook has removed four pages run by conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, explaining that the channels repeatedly violated the site’s policies against hate speech and bullying.

The decision to take down the four pages is the strongest censure of Jones’ behavior by Facebook yet. Last week, the company removed four videos shared on Jones’ channels and gave the radio host’s personal profile a 30-day suspension. However, this did not affect the output of pages run by Jones and his associates, which kept on uploading new content.

Now, though, four of these Facebook pages have been removed altogether. These include the Alex Jones Channel Page, the Alex Jones Page, the Infowars Page, and the Infowars Nightly News Page. Visiting any of these pages now shows the message: “Sorry, this content isn’t available right now.”
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Old 08-06-18, 11:36 AM
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Wondering who the first moron to cite "free speech" here will be.
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Old 08-06-18, 11:50 AM
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Old 08-06-18, 01:34 PM
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Wondering who the first moron to cite "free speech" here will be.
I could care less about "free speech" however FB should be not in the business of determining what is hate speech and what is not. One of the reasons people went to FB is it was an alternative way of getting other" view points " whether mainstream media agreed with that view point or not. BTW I have no idea who Alex Jones is or care to but people should have the right to post what they want and if it is criminal let FB report it to the proper authorities. Reason I care is because I own FB stock and their primary concern should be is how to make their share holders more money not to be a watch dog.
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Old 08-06-18, 01:42 PM
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I could care less
How much less could you care?
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Old 08-06-18, 01:48 PM
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How much less could you care?
I care about one thing my retirement and any companies 1st responsibility is to their shareholders not determining what is hate speech or not hate speech. FB needs to go back to making their shareholders money not to be moral police.
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Old 08-06-18, 01:51 PM
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Wondering who the first moron to cite "free speech" here will be.
Because "free speech" is such a little concept and no big deal. We could thrive with or without it.

And hey I could learn to love censorship as long as it went BOTH WAYS! But that's the trick NEO. Who do we trust to decide for us what is and isn't hate speech or fake news? Since I know for a fact that I will NEVER see equal treatment here then I opt for full on free speech! Let Jones have his Facebook rants. Ditto for the antifa thugs. Heck that racist lady joining the NYT can go on and on about how terrible white people are.

The alternative and it's not so bad IMO is that we treat ALL these social media operations as utilities which would benefit from intense government regulation & oversight! That way we'll have a whole new class of safe, slow growing, dividend paying stocks to bolster our portfolios.
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Old 08-06-18, 01:56 PM
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I could care less about "free speech" ... but people should have the right to post what they want ...
So you do care about free speech. Good for you.
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Old 08-06-18, 01:59 PM
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Wondering who the first moron to cite "free speech" here will be.
Following up on this. Looks like lotr was the big winner.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:03 PM
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Following up on this. Looks like lotr was the big winner.
Great, what did I win!

As an aside, so you don't have any problem with Facebook or any social media operation banning Jones or other controversial right wing folks? Do you think they are doing this in an even handed way to protect our tender sensitivities? Or is their bias in favor of the left okay because it's their company they can do any damn thing they want?
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Old 08-06-18, 02:08 PM
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It would be one thing if facebook were banning a legitimate journalist or news reporter. But that's not the case here. They're a private company who can do as they see fit. No qualms here. Apple and Spotify banned Jones as well.

Only thing that bothers me is that we may not be seeing gems like this as often.

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Old 08-06-18, 02:12 PM
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So you do care about free speech. Good for you.
That is why I put free speech in quotation. Could care less about Alex Jones but do care about my retirement.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:12 PM
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Great, what did I win!
You win the prize of not understanding what free speech is.

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it's their company they can do any damn thing they want?
Now you're catching on.

FB may very well be bias, but that doesn't mean anyone's rights have been violated.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:13 PM
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Could care less about Alex Jones
How much less could you care about him?
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Old 08-06-18, 02:14 PM
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Apple, Spotify, Facebook, and YouTube ban a man who mocks grieving parents of dead children. Who cares Jones himself says no one should believe the **** he says on the show, so oh well.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:14 PM
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I care about one thing my retirement and any companies 1st responsibility is to their shareholders not determining what is hate speech or not hate speech. FB needs to go back to making their shareholders money not to be moral police.
Perhaps they determined having content like Jones available on their site hurt their business.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:19 PM
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It would be one thing if facebook were banning a legitimate journalist or news reporter. But that's not the case here. They're a private company who can do as they see fit. No qualms here. Apple and Spotify banned Jones as well.

Only thing that bothers me is that we may not be seeing gems like this as often.

Apple makes their profit from I-phones and other devices no big deal if they ban Alex Jones. FB makes their money with ad dollars and eyeballs, if some people want to go to FB to watch Alex Jones rant let them, more money for FB more money for FB shareholders, everyone wins, its called Capitalism and it is a GREAT thing.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:19 PM
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I never understood why anyone on any side takes this man seriously. Not sure how anyone could believe 95% of what he says, and I don't understand why people get upset at the things he says. The man's an entertainer trying to make money. That's all he is.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:21 PM
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Apple makes their profit from I-phones and other devices no big deal if they ban Alex Jones. FB makes their money with ad dollars and eyeballs, if some people want to go to FB to watch Alex Jones rant let them, more money for FB more money for FB shareholders, everyone wins, its called Capitalism and it is a GREAT thing.
It's also capitalism to be able to ban someone for any reason from hosting content on your website. A GREAT thing indeed.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:23 PM
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I never understood why anyone on any side takes this man seriously. Not sure how anyone could believe 95% of what he says, and I don't understand why people get upset at the things he says. The man's an entertainer trying to make money. That's all he is.
That's how you do it today. Start an extreme right/left blog or podcast. Preferably with some really good rants on crazy conspiracy theories. Build up a base of nutjobs and start selling ads. Get your 15 minutes of fame and rake in some mad cash until you do something stupid an lose it all.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:24 PM
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Apple makes their profit from I-phones and other devices no big deal if they ban Alex Jones. FB makes their money with ad dollars and eyeballs, if some people want to go to FB to watch Alex Jones rant let them, more money for FB more money for FB shareholders, everyone wins, its called Capitalism and it is a GREAT thing.
Apple makes a crap ton of money from its services division, which would include Jones’ content. They likely believe having that content available gives it some credibility which in turn likely hurts its business. Pretty easy to understand actually.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:25 PM
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To be fair Alex Jones has been doing this long before the internet took off.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:32 PM
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It's also capitalism to be able to ban someone for any reason from hosting content on your website. A GREAT thing indeed.
It's more the concept of property rights, which is another thing leftists actively oppose.
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Old 08-06-18, 02:58 PM
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To be fair Alex Jones has been doing this long before the internet took off.
Yep he was the Texas version of Wayne's World Public Access TV.
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Old 08-06-18, 04:07 PM
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Following up on this. Looks like lotr was the big winner.
No, I already told you. You were.
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Old 08-06-18, 05:08 PM
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Because "free speech" is such a little concept and no big deal. We could thrive with or without it.

And hey I could learn to love censorship as long as it went BOTH WAYS! But that's the trick NEO. Who do we trust to decide for us what is and isn't hate speech or fake news? Since I know for a fact that I will NEVER see equal treatment here then I opt for full on free speech! Let Jones have his Facebook rants. Ditto for the antifa thugs. Heck that racist lady joining the NYT can go on and on about how terrible white people are.

The alternative and it's not so bad IMO is that we treat ALL these social media operations as utilities which would benefit from intense government regulation & oversight! That way we'll have a whole new class of safe, slow growing, dividend paying stocks to bolster our portfolios.

As far as I know nothing happened to the racist NYT reporters Twitter account but the conservative who pointed out her racism got banned.

Of course it's not a free speech issue. But while we are supposed to fear the boogeyman of Russians posting things on social media Twitter and Facebook are colluding to silence conservative voices. Have they banned the liberal Alex Jones? Antifa? The racist NYT reporter? Any left extremists?
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Old 08-06-18, 05:21 PM
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Who is the liberal Alex Jones?
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Old 08-06-18, 05:31 PM
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The weird thing is Jones used to be non-political. He was just a conspiracy theorist. He was big into the Bush did 9/11 stuff so if anything he was more left. I think he probably realized there was money to be made from latching on to the altright crowd who had shown a proclivity for conspiracy theories already. Plus it helped that Donald did his show.
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Old 08-06-18, 05:34 PM
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Of course it's not a free speech issue.
Unfortunately that's not as obvious to many as it should be.
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Old 08-06-18, 05:42 PM
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I have never actually listened to that guy. He is a crazy dude.
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