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Old 08-11-17, 12:16 PM
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Cloverleaf - turf

It was installed in 2007 and has held up really well. We have a local guy who did the installation and he comes out every year and walks the field. Repairs seams, etc.

Before turf, the field would be trashed by mid-season from all the use.

Also, a lot of schools upgrade the whole playing area when they install turf. Wadsworth is a great example. The sidelines were just big mud holes prior to the turf installation. Now it has great drainage. Also, the new stuff is just great. And it looks super cool.

Turf is the way to go if you can afford it.
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Old 08-11-17, 12:21 PM
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Allen East has turf that was put in last year (summer '16). It may be the smallest (D6) public school in the state with turf. The old grass field was just in too bad of shape. It's beautiful.
River HS in Hannibal (Monroe County) just installed turf. It is D7 and public.

Must have used some of that oil and gas money.
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Old 08-12-17, 08:32 PM
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Does Springfield (GWOC) have turf or grass?
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Old 08-12-17, 08:51 PM
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Have coached on both turf and grass, currently coach on grass and it is so much better than turf. If a school properly takes care of their turf field (disinfect, repairs, etc.) then turf is worth it because it will last 10+ years and will be worth the cost. Most schools do not though and the turf does not last and needs to be replaced. Also, at least once a year we get multiple kids getting infections like staph and ringworm after playing games on turf. Hopefully the turf fad fades out soon and schools go back to good old grass.
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Old 08-13-17, 12:07 AM
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Old 08-13-17, 12:09 AM
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That's awesome! Now as for Coldwater, we just built new locker rooms that can also accommodate Wrestling mats, batting cages, Etc and renovated restrooms. We did a survey earlier in the year about Field Turf but felt that it was best not to ask the community for more donations for a little while so maybe 8 years down the road Coldwater will get turf.
I concur. Too soon to ask for more.

It would be a great addition but I'm still a grass guy. Revisit it down the road.

I just was not fond of the argument that it would attract playoff games and boost the economy. First off, if we continue to make the playoffs that takes one night out of the equation and isn't the state moving all games to friday? Sorry...I'm a little out of the loop. CW is just a bit off the beaten path and likely would not be in play very often. For the msml and sh game? Yeah, but very few others.

That was just a shallow argument to rally people who weren't thinking it through.

In hope it comes to fruition and knowing how the community rallies it would be well received and maintained.
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Old 08-13-17, 12:50 AM
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As a Reading grad, I played on Mariemont's artificial turf in the 70's when it was the original Astroturf. I believe they were first in the Cincy area to have it.
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Old 08-13-17, 01:00 AM
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Hubbard has some of tge nicest turf in the area. Poland too. Girard is garbage, needs redone.
Have not seen it in person, but hope to get up there this year. Would love to attend the Harding/McKinley opener as I have ties to both cities (and Akron). Ought to be a fun game.

Sounds like Poland will be improved this year and I know Girard has a good QB.
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Old 08-13-17, 05:56 PM
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River HS in Hannibal (Monroe County) just installed turf. It is D7 and public.

Must have used some of that oil and gas money.

Didn't realize that. Outstanding!
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Old 08-16-17, 08:52 AM
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Articles on River HS new field turf. The one article mentions Monroe Central and Beallsville also getting turf. Which is interesting cause Beallsville almost cancelled it's program completely a few years ago.

http://www.timesleaderonline.com/spo...t-on-schedule/

http://www.timesleaderonline.com/new...d-highlighted/

These schools are in Monroe County which is in the heart of the oil and gas boom.
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Old 08-16-17, 02:00 PM
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Hubbard has some of tge nicest turf in the area. Poland too. Girard is garbage, needs redone.
I heard Hubbard's turf is the same that the Steelers have at their practice facility.

Thanks Jaws31 for the nice compliment.
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Old 08-16-17, 03:15 PM
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I'd love to see the stats of high schools nationally that now use FieldTurf or whatever synthetic surface brands are out there vs. those that used Astroturf or similar surfaces. I am sure it's a staggering contrast.

The old Astroturf was basically green concrete in my experience. I got tackled once up at Miami's Yager Stadium and skinned the heck out of my elbows-didn't heal for weeks and that was just a pick up game.

As others have mentioned, it is much safer and forgiving than the green parking lots.

For The GMC, each team now has artificial turf (I believe the 2016 season was the first year for this). I believe Fairfield and Middletown were the last two to put it in.

Colerain
Fairfield
Hamilton
Lakota East
Lakota West
Mason
Middletown
Oak Hills
Princeton
Sycamore

Between GMC, GCL and college stadiums being where Colerain plays most of its games nowadays, it's almost a rare treat for me anymore to be at a stadium where you can actually still smell mud and grass. I personally prefer a finely manicured grass field but certainly understand the financial benefits (considerations maybe a better term?) of the artificial surfaces.

With the hundreds of capital campaigns that have gone on around the state the past 10 years plus to put in fields, I wonder how many included provisions to raise additional funds to bank to make money over time to pay for a replacement? A luxury most probably cannot make happen but just curious if there are any out there?
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Old 08-16-17, 04:24 PM
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Old 09-05-17, 07:52 PM
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Old 09-05-17, 08:34 PM
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I prefer grass as I've yet to smoke turf..........
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Old 09-05-17, 08:48 PM
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I concur. Too soon to ask for more.

It would be a great addition but I'm still a grass guy. Revisit it down the road.

I just was not fond of the argument that it would attract playoff games and boost the economy. First off, if we continue to make the playoffs that takes one night out of the equation and isn't the state moving all games to friday? Sorry...I'm a little out of the loop. CW is just a bit off the beaten path and likely would not be in play very often. For the msml and sh game? Yeah, but very few others.

That was just a shallow argument to rally people who weren't thinking it through.

In hope it comes to fruition and knowing how the community rallies it would be well received and maintained.
I played on both and I preferred turf. I played on some soaked grass fields that didn't drain very well (Parkway and Anna especially) and turf takes care of that problem. If it does attract playoff games it'd be like D7 games or Marion Local vs St Henry like you said. The idea of like St X. playing Whitmer or something like that at Cavalier Stadium is pretty laughable. I would love turf. Why did they choose to move all the games to Friday?
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Old 09-05-17, 08:49 PM
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I prefer grass as I've yet to smoke turf..........
Don't try it. The chemicals in that would screw you up pretty good.
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Old 09-05-17, 08:51 PM
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I heard Hubbard's turf is the same that the Steelers have at their practice facility.

Thanks Jaws31 for the nice compliment.
Saw the all-star game this summer there. Yet to see a HS game there. Very nice field/turf. Looked fresh and new. Not sure what year it was installed, but it hadn't gotten that 'matted' look yet that so many get from overuse or near the end of its life cycle (think MetLife Stadium in NJ if you've seen a game from there on TV).

When did they switch from grass? Or last reinstall field turf?
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Old 09-05-17, 09:18 PM
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Delphos St. John's: grass (depending on the weather)

We play at Stadium Park, owned by the City of Delphos. Both St. John's and Jefferson play here. In the past, between varsity, JV, freshman, junior high and the four Delphos midget football teams, upwards of 55-60 games per year were played on this field. One rainy weekend where both teams have home games and the field is a tragic mess.
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Old 09-05-17, 09:27 PM
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Have coached on both turf and grass, currently coach on grass and it is so much better than turf. If a school properly takes care of their turf field (disinfect, repairs, etc.) then turf is worth it because it will last 10+ years and will be worth the cost. Most schools do not though and the turf does not last and needs to be replaced. Also, at least once a year we get multiple kids getting infections like staph and ringworm after playing games on turf. Hopefully the turf fad fades out soon and schools go back to good old grass.
Sorry, coach, the days of grass fields will never return. It's just not economically feasible, given the number of school teams that have to use it, the weather, and the financial constraints of most districts. Back in the day, when you just had football, grass would suffice. But now, that can't happen.
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Old 09-05-17, 09:38 PM
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Delphos St. John's: grass (depending on the weather)

We play at Stadium Park, owned by the City of Delphos. Both St. John's and Jefferson play here. In the past, between varsity, JV, freshman, junior high and the four Delphos midget football teams, upwards of 55-60 games per year were played on this field. One rainy weekend where both teams have home games and the field is a tragic mess.
Have you guys though about having a joint fundraiser with Jefferson for fieldturf? I've only played at stadium park when the grass between the hash marks was non existent and you just try not to get what looked sand in your eyes (not trying to be mean). Turf would be great for you guys!
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Old 09-05-17, 10:23 PM
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Sorry, coach, the days of grass fields will never return. It's just not economically feasible, given the number of school teams that have to use it, the weather, and the financial constraints of most districts. Back in the day, when you just had football, grass would suffice. But now, that can't happen.
And in many cases, it's hard to justify the cost and upkeep of a stadium to just say 'oh, only varsity football games' or 'football games only' can be played there. The biggest selling point of turf is the ability to use that stadium for so many more events.

The soccer, lacrosse, or JV/Freshman football teams don't want to be stuck on some second rate field elsewhere on campus. Sometimes doubling as a 'practice field' for the varsity football team because even they can't use their stadium for anything more than 5-6-7 games a year. They want to play in the nice stadium and have friends or family come and watch their games just the same. And I don't blame them.
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Old 09-06-17, 06:53 AM
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And in many cases, it's hard to justify the cost and upkeep of a stadium to just say 'oh, only varsity football games' or 'football games only' can be played there. The biggest selling point of turf is the ability to use that stadium for so many more events.

The soccer, lacrosse, or JV/Freshman football teams don't want to be stuck on some second rate field elsewhere on campus. Sometimes doubling as a 'practice field' for the varsity football team because even they can't use their stadium for anything more than 5-6-7 games a year. They want to play in the nice stadium and have friends or family come and watch their games just the same. And I don't blame them.
I don't blame them either, but it's too bad grass is going away. Nothing beats a grass field that is dedicated to varsity games. Cooler, softer, more forgiving, and though I have no scientific evidence, fewer injuries it would seem. If someone has unbiased evidence to support or refute, I'd love to see it.
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Old 09-06-17, 08:51 AM
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I remember listen to the Radio in Pittsburgh a few year ago and one of the Steeler's linemen was on. At St Vincent College where they hold training camp there are 3 grass fields and 1 artificial turf. Apparently they only use the grass field, and the players absolutely hate the "field turf". That lineman stated that most NFL players still hate this new turf and still prefer grass as it was still easier on the body, provided better footing, and they don't have all those black pieces of rubber blinding them and ending up everywhere. I understand why HS with multiple sports use it and I understand why HS athletes think field turf is better (I went to a catholic HS in Pittsburgh that rented from a public who had midget football, JV Var boys and girls soccer, Fresh, JV, Varsity football and rented to another Catholic football team, so that field was trash that did not provide better footing when it was grass), but the Pro's still prefer grass (only game in the stadium in most cases plus the financial means to baby it), at least according to this lineman from a few years ago.
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Old 09-06-17, 10:52 AM
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I don't blame them either, but it's too bad grass is going away. Nothing beats a grass field that is dedicated to varsity games. Cooler, softer, more forgiving, and though I have no scientific evidence, fewer injuries it would seem. If someone has unbiased evidence to support or refute, I'd love to see it.
I agree with much of what has been said in the above quote, but throughout this thread. I do have some questions as well.

1. How many concrete numbers comparisons have been done with the cost of artificial turf vs. natural grass. Many schools were sold on Zero Maintenance and longevity, but only for both to wind up far from it. The artificial turf costs at least half a million dollars, and then must be replaced again in 10 years or less (we are seeing many stadiums with the turf replacing after 5-6 years). Did natural grass cost more than 50,000 per year for upkeep? I don't know, I am genuinely curious. I get that you can use it for more than just football, but the turf upkeep is pricey as well. There is constant grooming, repeated sanitizing of the field, and once a year a stress test needs to be done by only the company that installs it, and repairs to seems, holes, tears, etc. Also, on the sanitizing aspect, I wonder how long it will be before a school gets sued from zealous parents pissed off over MRSA or other infections. There could also be other lawsuits from not following exactly the company's recommended maintenance to a T, I have seen very few schools do this and keep record of it. I would love to see some concrete cost analysis of the two from actual schools that have made the switch.

2. Safety is another huge selling point of turf. It is a constant surface and improves traction, especially in inclement weather. Now, with the newer regulations from the state with regards to heat, how much practice time is lost since the turf pellets absorb the heat, which can make the surface above state regulations to have practice? Once again, I'd love to see a study. I have also seen way too many injuries from the turf from a player's foot being "stuck" in the turf and thus causing absolutely gruesome injuries that wouldn't have happened on natural grass. The natural grass would have given away and prevented previously mentioned injury. My last safety concern is concussions. I have seen a LOT of concussions in football, at all levels. I have noticed though, an alarming number of these concussions are caused by a player's head bouncing off the turf. This didn't happen at the rates they do now when everyone had natural grass. I also don't see it happen hardly ever today on natural grass fields. So I would love to see a concussion study comparing turf and grass.

My 2 cents, I think there are a lot of questions still about the Turf and I truly think in the future, maybe 20 years, we will see a lot of schools go back to grass.
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Old 09-06-17, 12:27 PM
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The old Astroturf was basically green concrete in my experience. I got tackled once up at Miami's Yager Stadium and skinned the heck out of my elbows-didn't heal for weeks and that was just a pick up game.
Yowza. I had a similar experience, pickup game in Ohio Stadium in December 1976 in 15-20 degree weather. 11 on a side, full tackle, with only parkas for padding.

Might was well have been playing on a concrete parking lot. The first time I hit the ground on a tackle, I couldn't talk from the pain.

Even with football pads, that had to be excruciating for college and pro players. They have my admiration for playing on that stuff.

Still, playing "real" football in the house that Chic Harley built, and on the carpet that Archie won two Heisman's on? Priceless!
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I believe Anderson was one of the first schools to get the "new" field turf, cant remember the year, but I remember it being a big deal at the time.
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Old 09-06-17, 05:04 PM
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1. The artificial turf costs at least half a million dollars, and then must be replaced again in 10 years or less (we are seeing many stadiums with the turf replacing after 5-6 years). Did natural grass cost more than 50,000 per year for upkeep?
That's the cost for new installation since you have to prep the base. Replacing it is much cheaper.

Also many new fields use plastic pellets instead of the rubber fill.
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