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Old 02-18-19, 05:15 PM
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With all the 1A teams in Ohio and our weather, it's surprising none of them ever seriously considered building a domed stadium. Akron was the most recent and though InfoCision is nice, a small 20k dome would've been perfect for the area to have so many winter options for large concerts, sporting events, conventions, etc.
SWOers would still complain.
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Old 02-18-19, 05:23 PM
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With all the 1A teams in Ohio and our weather, it's surprising none of them ever seriously considered building a domed stadium. Akron was the most recent and though InfoCision is nice, a small 20k dome would've been perfect for the area to have so many winter options for large concerts, sporting events, conventions, etc.
Actually BG would be a logical place for such a facility. Doyt Perry stinks and has as no charm at all. It is literally right off of I-75 so while not centrally located it is easier to get to than the other MAC schools like Miami, OU, and Kent State. While BG is not swimming in cash some large local corporation would love to see their name beaming from the top of the facility right next to one of the busiest freeways in the country.
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Old 02-18-19, 06:21 PM
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There was a plan to dome Nippert Stadium for the Olympic bid years back. Still not sure how that would have worked out.
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Old 02-18-19, 07:30 PM
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I think a Mod should change the title of this thread to "Another Idea For The OHSAA State Football Playoffs."
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Old 02-18-19, 07:53 PM
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Yeah, a $33 million dome to host the high school state football championships is a great idea. Sounds like a legit business plan. ��
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Old 02-18-19, 09:10 PM
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et the state and a local Govt to chip in
Pay for your own hobbies.
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Old 02-18-19, 09:12 PM
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People are suffering from the fallacy that everyone has similar interests to theirs. There are very few "generic" high school football fans interested in taking in games for schools other than theirs.
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Old 02-18-19, 09:17 PM
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With all the 1A teams in Ohio and our weather, it's surprising none of them ever seriously considered building a domed stadium. Akron was the most recent and though InfoCision is nice, a small 20k dome would've been perfect for the area to have so many winter options for large concerts, sporting events, conventions, etc.
There are plenty of options for concerts in ohio.

If it is such a great business idea then someone would have done it already or have it in the works.
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Old 02-18-19, 09:24 PM
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There are plenty of options for concerts in ohio.

If it is such a great business idea then someone would have done it already or have it in the works.
Because there'd have to be a lot of competing interests working together toward it.

For instance, the Browns having a stadium that's used about a dozen times a year is a bit of a waste but making it a dome could've made it used for more. But the Browns just wanted it for the Browns.

Just like Akron just wanted InfoCision for the Zips. They couldve made it for more for much less the cost than two separate venues. But one was enough.

As for concerts and other events, there are stadium shows that are too big for most arenas.. But leaves Cleveland a short window only during the peak of summer to host anything at FirstEnergy. Kenny Chesney liked that. But that's been about it.
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Old 02-18-19, 09:41 PM
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Because there'd have to be a lot of competing interests working together toward it.

For instance, the Browns having a stadium that's used about a dozen times a year is a bit of a waste but making it a dome could've made it used for more. But the Browns just wanted it for the Browns.

Just like Akron just wanted InfoCision for the Zips. They couldve made it for more for much less the cost than two separate venues. But one was enough.

As for concerts and other events, there are stadium shows that are too big for most arenas.. But leaves Cleveland a short window only during the peak of summer to host anything at FirstEnergy. Kenny Chesney liked that. But that's been about it.
Oh I concur that NFL stadiums should be domed to get the most use out of it, no doubt about it. BUT....acts that need a stadium like Chesney, Garth are few and far between. There are plenty of places for concerts in Ohio. For Akron to build a dome.....a bit far fetched.
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Old 02-18-19, 09:42 PM
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... Get the state and a local Govt to chip in...

Could something be worked out with the casino just up the road?
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Old 02-18-19, 09:46 PM
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Yeah, the govt chipping in for it is such a great idea....
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Old 02-18-19, 10:09 PM
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SWOers would still complain.

Ha Ha True
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Old 02-18-19, 10:11 PM
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I think a Mod should change the title of this thread to "Another Idea For The OHSAA State Football Playoffs."
Fun to think about a dome. Putting a dome on First Energy would have been smart for lots of reasons but Cleveland would not be a suitable site for many.
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Old 02-18-19, 10:13 PM
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There are very few "generic" high school football fans interested in taking in games for schools other than theirs.
Is this just your opinion stated as fact or do you have something of substance to prove the verity of this statement?
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Old 02-18-19, 10:22 PM
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Is this just your opinion stated as fact or do you have something of substance to prove the verity of this statement?
The number of people in the state and no one in the stands.
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Old 02-18-19, 10:23 PM
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Fun to think about a dome. Putting a dome on First Energy would have been smart for lots of reasons but Cleveland would not be a suitable site for many.
I believe a dome would trump the travel arguments.
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Old 02-18-19, 10:47 PM
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I believe a dome would trump the travel arguments.
Every state that has a dome except Florida plays all or at least most of their titles in the dome.
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Old 02-18-19, 10:56 PM
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Every state that has a dome except Florida plays all or at least most of their titles in the dome.
I realize that. I am just saying that if Cincy or Cleveland, or at this time next year we will be calling them the SB runners up, hosted with a dome then people who complain AKron was too far would be OK with going all the way to Clev.

I would hate the drive, nbut to be able to watch it in a dome would be fantastic and would likely stick around for a few games.
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Old 02-18-19, 11:40 PM
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I realize that. I am just saying that if Cincy or Cleveland, or at this time next year we will be calling them the SB runners up, hosted with a dome then people who complain AKron was too far would be OK with going all the way to Clev.

I would hate the drive, nbut to be able to watch it in a dome would be fantastic and would likely stick around for a few games.
Cleveland citizens didn't want a dome, since they thought the weather would give the Browns a hometown advantage ( see how that worked out). A dome in Cincinnati would just present the Brown family another opportunity to rip off the citizens.
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Old 02-19-19, 01:28 AM
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Cleveland citizens didn't want a dome, since they thought the weather would give the Browns a hometown advantage ( see how that worked out). A dome in Cincinnati would just present the Brown family another opportunity to rip off the citizens.
I know a contingent of fans thought that. But it was never going to be seriously considered. The time frame to get the new stadium built meant building simple. And the plans were probably the cheapest a stadium could be. Was built for 283 million. Even with inflation that's ridiculously low compared to the stadiums the NFL is getting now. They didn't even include escalators in the original plans.

And honestly there's now no excuse not to have a dome if you're in cold weather and aren't hosting multiple teams.
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Old 02-19-19, 05:37 AM
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I believe a dome would trump the travel arguments.
Not for some on here. Anything over 2 hour drive is insurmountable.
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Old 02-19-19, 05:41 AM
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The number of people in the state and no one in the stands.
"No one" in the stands? So you do speak in hyperbole. Got it.
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Old 02-19-19, 05:43 AM
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So it's settled. Keep the games in Canton till somebody builds a dome in Columbus then force them to host it for a really good price. Cool.
Class dismissed.
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Old 02-19-19, 06:18 AM
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"No one" in the stands? So you do speak in hyperbole. Got it.
Yes, but the point is accurate. The crowds aren't small in relative terms because the games aren't in 70 degree comfort, not because they're x minutes farther up the road, not because of ticket prices, not because of when the games are played. It's because those who go to the games nearly all have a connection to the teams involved. The windowless van crowd has shrunk into irrelevance.
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This is for the purpose of playing with the idea of moving state championship games to regional sites. I will use 2016 as an example and the days and times are made up. Here goes.

Friday:
Division I State Championship Game, Saint Xavier vs. Saint Ignatius @ Columbus Crew Stadium - 7:00PM

Division IV State Championship Game, Stubenville vs. Bishop Hartley @ Don Drumm Stadium in Marietta - 7:00PM

Saturday:
Division VI State Championship Game, Cuyahoga Heights vs. Marion Local @ Arlin Field in Mansfield Ohio - 11:00AM

Division V State Championship Game, Coldwater vs. Canton Central Catholic @ Jack Miller Stadium in Ashland Ohio - 3:30PM

Division VII State Championship Game, Warren JFK vs. Minster @ Arlin Field in Mansfield Ohio - 8:00PM


Sunday:
Division II State Championship Game, Massillon Perry vs. Cincinatti Lasalle @ Dublin Coffman Stadium - 12:00PM

Division III State Championship Game, Akron Hoban vs. Trotwood Madison @ Columbus Crew Stadium - 4:30PM

Lots of games in the middle of the state.
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Old 02-19-19, 02:13 PM
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It's funny that they cited attendance as being down, but their numbers say otherwise:

Canton
2018 all seven state championship games was 52,390
2017 all seven state championship games was 61,312

Columbus
2016 all seven state championship games was 55,421
2015 all seven state championship games was 62,089

So 2015 and 2017 are comparable and 2016 and 2018 are comparable. How are these decreases????

Everyone forgets the fact that, behind the scenes, we don't know who put in bids to host the championship games. Maybe OSU didnt want to host anymore? Maybe they raised their rate to host? Maybe Canton offered them a discount? Maybe there were other incentives that OHSAA wanted? Obviously Geography isnt the only thing they are thinking about.

FWIW, Swimming and Diving hold their state championships in Canton too. Volleyball holds their championships at Wright State near Dayton. Softball holds their championships in Akron. Tennis holds their championships in SW Ohio instead of Columbus as well. Just a few examples of other sports that don't have their championships in Columbus or surrounding areas. I know this thread is mostly about attendance and whatnot, but just shows that football isnt the only sport that isnt in Columbus........

"Edit"
Also saw that baseball is moving their state championships to Canal Park in Akron (where the Rubberducks play) instead of in Columbus where they had been for some time.

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Old 02-19-19, 02:17 PM
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Here is 2005 just for comparison sake.

Friday

Division V State Championship Game, Patrick Henry vs. Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy @ Piqua High School Alexander Stadium 3:00pM

Division IV State Championship Game, Cardinal Mooney vs. Coldwater @ The Glass Bowl in Toledo - 3:00PM

Division II State Championship Game, Canfield vs. Toledo Central Catholic @ Parma Byers Field - 8:00PM




Saturday
Division VI State Championship Game, Delphos St. John's vs. Canton Central Catholic @ Mansfield Arlin Field - 3:30PM

Division III State Championship Game, Stuebenville vs. Columbus DeSales @ Dom Drunn Stadium in Marietta Ohio - 7:30PM

Division I State Championship Game, Massillon Washington vs. St. Xavier @ Columbus Crew Stadium 7:30PM

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Old 02-19-19, 02:36 PM
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"Edit"
Also saw that baseball is moving their state championships to Canal Park in Akron (where the Rubberducks play) instead of in Columbus where they had been for some time.
This is for 2019 ONLY due to the fact the Clippers are already scheduled at home that weekend. Please include all the facts when reporting.
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Old 02-19-19, 02:41 PM
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This is for 2019 ONLY due to the fact the Clippers are already scheduled at home that weekend. Please include all the facts when reporting.
Just looked at the official statement from OHSAA again and no where is it mentioned that it's "only for 2019".

""The baseball state tournament will be held at Canal Park in Akron, home of the Akron RubberDucks, the Double A minor league affiliate of the Cleveland Indians. The 2019 baseball state tournament will begin on Friday, June 7. The baseball state tournament has been held at Huntington Park in Columbus, home of the Clippers, the Triple A affiliate of the Indians since the stadium opened in 2009, but the Clippers have home games scheduled during the 2019 OHSAA baseball state tournament.

“The Clippers and Huntington Park have been great hosts, but our baseball season is a week later now and it conflicts with the Clippers’ 2019 home schedule,” said Jerry Snodgrass, OHSAA Executive Director. “We looked at many sites, but for several reasons, including similar schedule conflicts at other locations, we believe that Canal Park is the best choice.”"


This statement leaves the door open for the baseball tournament to go back to Columbus in 2020, but nowhere does it say that it will 100% be back there. Like it says, it depends on the scheduling for the Clippers. There's a good chance it moves back in 2020, but if the Clippers have games scheduled again, then they will have to do the same thing next year. Also, if attendance is good, they may consider keeping it in Akron.

Why couldn't they play their games at Ohio State? Their season ends in mid to late May. They have a very nice stadium and it holds almost 5,000. I doubt they are getting crowds bigger than that.....
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