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View Poll Results: Select the Top 5 OH HS wrestlers of all time. Post HS data is just FYI.
Bobby Douglas - 1961 OH 2 World Team FS 6 (Medals 2nd, 3rd) WT Greco 2 16 19.28%
Tom Milkovich - 1969 OH 3 NCAA 1 19 22.89%
Lee Kemp - 1974 OH 2 NCAA 3 World Team FS 4 (Medals 1st, 1st, 3rd, 1st) 26 31.33%
Alan Fried - 1989 OH 3 NCAA 1 44 53.01%
Luke Fickell - 1992 OH 3 14 16.87%
Joe Heskett - 1997 OH 3 NCAA 1 World Team FS 1 5 6.02%
Harry Lester - 2001 OH 4 WT Greco 8 (Medals 3rd, 3rd) 40 48.19%
Jeff Jaggers - 2004 OH 4 NCAA 2 16 19.28%
Dustin Schlatter - 2005 OH 4 NCAA 1 World Team FS 1 23 27.71%
David Taylor - 2009 OH 4 NCAA 2 World Team FS 1 56 67.47%
Logan Steiber - 2010 OH 4 NCAA 4 World Team FS 3 (Medals 1st) 64 77.11%
Nate Tomasello - 2013 OH 4 NCAA 1 13 15.66%
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Old 07-09-18, 08:08 AM
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GOAT OH HS Top 5 Poll

This poll is asking who you think are the Top 5 OH HS wrestlers of all time. SO SELECT 5 WRESTLERS IN THE POLL. While we are talking about HS and not NCAA or World Team accomplishments, I added post graduate accomplishments b/c I think that validates HS success. And we're talking about not just senior year, but HS career. But that doesn't mean you have to be a 4xer to be on the list, although the wrestlers on the list needed to have a minimum of 2 OH state titles to qualify for this poll. And to qualify for this poll, you needed to finish in the Top 10 of the previous poll. I did add two "wild cards," Joe Heskett and Jeff Jaggers. Both were mistakenly left off the previous poll (I can't figure out how to modify a poll once it's posted). So, there'll be 12 to choose from.

While some may think three polls on this topic is beating a dead horse (will expect the legendary "beating a dead horse" GIF), there's not a lot going on right now, so it kills some time in the summer.

There will be a little lag time between this post and the poll, so check back in a bit to see the nominees and pick your Top 5.
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Old 07-09-18, 08:47 AM
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Old 07-09-18, 09:14 AM
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A few notes:
Stieber and Taylor are still writing their post HS legendary script as they both will compete on the 2018 WT and both are very capable of earning medals on the world stage.
Nate Tomasello also has hopes to compete on the world stage, but a knee injury will sideline him, and rising stars (Lee and Fix) would seem to position him as the 3rd choice behind current USA WT starter, Gilman.
Another young man who just missed the Top 10, David Carr (finished 11th), also is still writing his post HS script, having just graduated from HS. He's was the youngest on the original list, five years younger than the trio of Dean Heil, Nate Tomasello and Bo Jordan.

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Old 07-09-18, 09:15 AM
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Nine, ten years running. Can't say I haven't done my part.



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Old 07-09-18, 09:31 AM
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One could argue that there is a bias towards more recent OH legends, as more than half of the original 24 were in the last 20 years. The remaining half spanned 35 years. Likewise, the 12 Top 5 nominees have a similar spread with half from 2001-2013 and the other half 1961-1997. Actually, considering that many on Yappi are too young to have seen many of the old timers, I think both polls represent the gold ol' days pretty well.
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Old 07-09-18, 09:33 AM
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I think Lee Kemp is being looked at for the post high school, which those great achievements overshadows the other guys if only high school accolades is being judged.
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Old 07-09-18, 09:34 AM
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Won't deny being more biased toward the recent wrestlers.

For me, in random order ---

DT
Logan
Lester
Fried
Jaggers
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Old 07-09-18, 11:00 AM
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One thing that is very apparent is the large number of legendary wrestlers that had their roots in Ohio. About half of Ohio's 4xers were left off of the original list of 24, meaning they didn't even get one person to mention their name. That includes Ohio's first D1 4xer, Willie Wineberg, among many others.
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Old 07-09-18, 11:07 AM
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One thing that is very apparent is the large number of legendary wrestlers that had their roots in Ohio. About half of Ohio's 4xers were left off of the original list of 24, meaning they didn't even get one person to mention their name. That includes Ohio's first D1 4xer, Willie Wineberg, among many others.
Think he was mentioned, but his style wasn't what most blood thirsty fans want to part take of their gladiators. Candy carnage, spectacular, dominance( tap out, dam it tap out twice).
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Old 07-09-18, 11:13 AM
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And here's a few all time greats left off of the Top 10 (actually 12):
Gregory M. Wojciechowski, 2x OH, NCAA champ, 2 WT/FS, probably the greatest HVY in OH all time
Mark Zimmer, OH's first 4xer
NCAA champs Jim Jordan, Tommy Rowlands (NCAA 2xer) and Dean Heil (NCAA 2xer)
And last but not least, Bo Jordan, who fresh out of HS was considered by many Ohioans at the time as the OH HS GOAT.
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Old 07-09-18, 11:24 AM
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Think he was mentioned, but his style wasn't what most blood thirsty fans want to part take of their gladiators. Candy carnage, spectacular, dominance( tap out, dam it tap out twice).
You're right that he was mentioned. But he was mentioned after the first poll started, along with a few others who were mentioned after the deadline. My reference above was people not being mentioned and included in the first poll of 24. Everyone who was mentioned over a four day period was included in the poll, except for Jaggers. I then plugged Jaggers in the Top 10 as a wild card since I forgot him. I also plugged in Heskett as a wild card.
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Old 07-09-18, 04:44 PM
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In no particular order....

Taylor
Stieber
Fried
Lester
Milkovich
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Note: I voted for 6 so i didn’t overlook any deserving GOAT candidates
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Old 07-09-18, 04:56 PM
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And for what it’s worth, Milkovich is the only guy listed who had 3 titles (freshmen not permitted to participate in Ohio HS varsity sports in 50’s/60’s) while all were in one unified division.
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And for what itís worth, Milkovich is the only guy listed who had 3 titles (freshmen not permitted to participate in Ohio HS varsity sports in 50ís/60ís) while all were in one unified division.
And no 4xers wrestled in the "one unified division" era.
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Old 07-09-18, 06:04 PM
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And no 4xers wrestled in the "one unified division" era.
More on Tom Milkovich from the Cleveland Plain Dealer....

Ohio's state wrestling tournament has produced more than its share of memorable moments: Pat Galbincea
By Pat Galbincea / Plain Dealer Reporter
on March 03, 2010 3:33 AM, updated August 22, 2013 5:11 PM

Having covered 38 high school state wrestling tournaments for The Plain Dealer, you can bet I have seen many exciting moments in a sport which is loved by those who understand it.

If you're among the 15,000-plus fans who will be at Columbus' Value City Arena for this year's tournament Thursday through Saturday, you'll have plenty to watch and will come away with plenty of memories. Here are my top 10 state tournament memories from nearly 40 years of watching the best sport I've ever covered.

1. 1969: Nobody, and I mean nobody, who was there at St. John Arena will ever forget the roof-raising standing ovation Tom Milkovich got when he won his third state title at 127 pounds on basically one leg because of a bad knee injury. After the Maple Heights senior's 4-1 victory over Brian Oswald of Solon in the final, Milkovich and his father -- legendary coach Mike Milkovich Sr. -- got an ovation which moved many to tears. Tom Milkovich never lost a high school match in three years, and he was technically the best wrestler this state has ever seen. His father was the state's greatest coach (265-25-2 dual meet record, 10 state title-winning teams when there was only one division and 37 individual state champions), and his 1969 team was considered his greatest team.
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More on Tom Milkovich from the Cleveland Plain Dealer....

Ohio's state wrestling tournament has produced more than its share of memorable moments: Pat Galbincea
By Pat Galbincea / Plain Dealer Reporter
on March 03, 2010 3:33 AM, updated August 22, 2013 5:11 PM

Having covered 38 high school state wrestling tournaments for The Plain Dealer, you can bet I have seen many exciting moments in a sport which is loved by those who understand it.

If you're among the 15,000-plus fans who will be at Columbus' Value City Arena for this year's tournament Thursday through Saturday, you'll have plenty to watch and will come away with plenty of memories. Here are my top 10 state tournament memories from nearly 40 years of watching the best sport I've ever covered.

1. 1969: Nobody, and I mean nobody, who was there at St. John Arena will ever forget the roof-raising standing ovation Tom Milkovich got when he won his third state title at 127 pounds on basically one leg because of a bad knee injury. After the Maple Heights senior's 4-1 victory over Brian Oswald of Solon in the final, Milkovich and his father -- legendary coach Mike Milkovich Sr. -- got an ovation which moved many to tears. Tom Milkovich never lost a high school match in three years, and he was technically the best wrestler this state has ever seen. His father was the state's greatest coach (265-25-2 dual meet record, 10 state title-winning teams when there was only one division and 37 individual state champions), and his 1969 team was considered his greatest team.
That killed my greatest team of all time thread I was gonna post at 7:05pm.
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Old 07-09-18, 08:16 PM
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I'm at odds with including post-HS accomplishments, in a "GOAT OH HS" poll.
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That killed my greatest team of all time thread I was gonna post at 7:05pm.
Sorry.......
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Old 07-09-18, 08:47 PM
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So Milkovich NEVER lost a high school match, won 3 state championships (freshmen not eligible for varsity in 60's) when all divisions were unified, and is hovering around 20%???????

Only 2 explanations.........
1) the system is rigged
2) bdhof is crooked
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Old 07-09-18, 09:08 PM
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So Milkovich NEVER lost a high school match, won 3 state championships (freshmen not eligible for varsity in 60's) when all divisions were unified, and is hovering around 20%???????

Only 2 explanations.........
1) the system is rigged
2) bdhof is crooked
Or a combination of both!?!?

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So Milkovich NEVER lost a high school match, won 3 state championships (freshmen not eligible for varsity in 60's) when all divisions were unified, and is hovering around 20%???????

Only 2 explanations.........
1) the system is rigged
2) bdhof is crooked
I’ll take Milkovich and Fickell as the 2 best. Both a bit overlooked because most people didn’t see Milkovich and Fickell never wrestled post high school. Is Tom’s brother Pat still the youngest NCAA champ ever? I know he used to be.
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Iíll take Milkovich and Fickell as the 2 best. Both a bit overlooked because most people didnít see Milkovich and Fickell never wrestled post high school. Is Tomís brother Pat still the youngest NCAA champ ever? I know he used to be.
Yes, Pat Milkovich is still the youngest NCAA champ.... as a walk-on, no less!
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And for what itís worth, Milkovich is the only guy listed who had 3 titles (freshmen not permitted to participate in Ohio HS varsity sports in 50ís/60ís) while all were in one unified division.
Agreed, since so few have ever seen him wrestle, including myself, it is tough to really get any idea of just how good he must have been. My father even told me dominant doesn't even describe how great he was.
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Old 07-10-18, 09:37 AM
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That killed my greatest team of all time thread I was gonna post at 7:05pm.
It's deserves it's own thread. I'm a homer and going with 2010 Graham, the team which was ranked #7 and beat #2 Blair. State= Six champs with two runner-ups and a 3rd.


ya, watching again....
https://www.flowrestling.org/events/...-graham/videos
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Was Mike Deanna mentioned OH 3 / 2 National freestyle titles in HS / 83-0 last 3 years
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It's deserves it's own thread. I'm a homer and going with 2010 Graham, the team which was ranked #7 and beat #2 Blair. State= Six champs with two runner-ups and a 3rd.


ya, watching again....
https://www.flowrestling.org/events/...-graham/videos
First video is that Felipe Martinez mixer on Austin Ormsbee. Just watch that clip 20 times, it's iconic
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Was Mike Deanna mentioned OH 3 / 2 National freestyle titles in HS / 83-0 last 3 years

Never was mentioned but shouldíve been


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I still say Fried number one over all. I also think high school only we are not giving enough creditor to Felipe
and Philips.
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This is an outstanding list and very tough to pick 5.
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This is an outstanding list and very tough to pick 5.
I agree with Coach 100%. I saw everyone on the list except Bobby Douglas and officiated most of them at least one time. While it is not the intent of this poll, I always appreciate wrestlers who were "entertaining". The top of that list, for me, are three names in Alan Fried, Johnny McGhee, and Joe Pflug with J Jaggers close behind. All were what makes having the best seat in the house so worthwhile.

BTW, I should add that Tony Jameson was entertaining for fans but, as an official, he was REALLY hard to officiate. I never knew what he was going to do next. Sometimes I wondered if he knew.

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