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Old 06-04-19, 11:51 PM
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Will we get to 4 divisions

There was a lot of talk about track being split into 4 divisions next year. Will it happen?
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Old 06-05-19, 05:32 AM
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1908-1920 - No divisions (classes)
1921-1970 - 2 Classes
1971-2020 (?) - 3 Classes / Divisions
2020 (?) - 4 Divisions

If 2020 is the last year with 3 divisions, it would follow the historical pattern after the establishment of divisions in 1921.
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Old 06-05-19, 08:00 AM
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It seems to me that if we are locked in to two days at Jesse Owens, 4 divisions is going to be hard to pull off. I used to not think that was the case, but after such a delayed Friday evening this year, 4 divisions would have been nearly impossible to complete.
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Old 06-05-19, 08:20 AM
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What is the contingency plan for a longer weather delay now? If there would have been another cell come in on friday and another 2+ hour delay would they have competed until 1:00 am?
I do know that Louisvile won the DI girls softball title on Sunday due to a weather problem in Akron on Saturday. I would think that Jesse Owens would be available on Sunday as well.

I have seen a schedule for 4 divisions over two days that Starts at 8:30 am (1st event) and is done by 8:30 pm each day. However, IMO there needs to be a plan for weather delays either way... if there is not a plan in place already.

it's nice to know that the lights at Jesse owens track work so well for track, and if they adjust them a little, it's a great place for a night meet. In fact, what happened this year may make it easier to add a 4th division because they were able to have such a good meet under the lights.

portale lights may need to be brought in for field events, but that is not a big problem except for the $.
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Old 06-05-19, 09:41 AM
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We were told that the Principals and AD's voted for 4 divisions by about 80%. The OHSAA shouldnt go against that strong of a vote. Its BS that they cant come up with a schedule for this crap.

Sorry but the wheelchair stuff has to be moved away from this event for it to happen. Also, they can speed up stuff in the semi finals. THey arent needing time for awards that day. THe 2nd day can be shortened by alot. Rotate officials, if you are going to have 8,000 of them, then assign them break times. The hour break between divisions is a waste of time.

As for weather, I know that Finishtiming would likely have Sunday as the backup (Chatfield doesnt have anything going on that day)
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Old 06-05-19, 10:23 AM
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No 4 divisions next year

I talked with a member of the OHSAA (who will remain nameless) and said the biggest reason there will not be 4 divisions next year is that there is not strong support from the coaches association in the form of having any plan that everyone can agree on. Not necessarily dead in the water but it needs some work.
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Old 06-05-19, 01:50 PM
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Won't many of the same problems with scheduling and officials also
exist at the district and regional levels.
Also more likely for coaches to have to be at two places
Will there really be any noticeable difference in D3 and D4 Tournaments?
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Old 06-05-19, 02:05 PM
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Won't many of the same problems with scheduling and officials also
exist at the district and regional levels.
Also more likely for coaches to have to be at two places
Will there really be any noticeable difference in D3 and D4 Tournaments?
You arent adding teams, just spreading them out. At the District level you would run D1-2 sites together and 3-4 together.

The number of meets and nights wouldnt change.


As for the post about the coaches association....thats BS.
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Old 06-05-19, 02:34 PM
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You arent adding teams, just spreading them out. At the District level you would run D1-2 sites together and 3-4 together.
At the Regional level, I would think you would run D1/D3 on Wednesday/Friday and D2/D4 on Thursday/Saturday (or vice versa). This is for the same reason that D2 is R/S now while D1 and D3 are W/F...it allows coaches whose boys and girls are in different divisions to attend both meets. And actually, they could start alternating which divisions go which days if they wanted to. For Districts, the schedules would be up to each DAB to figure out.

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The number of meets and nights wouldnt change.
The number of meets would certainly change. You are adding 16 district meets and 4 regional meets when you add a division.
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Old 06-05-19, 02:42 PM
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Won't many of the same problems with scheduling and officials also exist at the district and regional levels.
At districts, most likely. I don't know about other areas, but District managers in this area beg for officials right up to the week of the meet. There just aren't enough officials for all the meets that need to happen that week. They might be able to do things like schedule two divisions of finals on a Saturday at the same site. That would help, but then you run into issues if the weather doesn't cooperate.

Also, finding suitable host sites with management that is willing to take the job is an issue.
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Old 06-05-19, 08:20 PM
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As for the post about the coaches association....thats BS.

Perhaps so, but it's an argument I have heard before. And if that's the excuse being used to limit divisions (or anything that might advance our sport), it's worth noting.
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Old 06-05-19, 09:14 PM
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Perhaps so, but it's an argument I have heard before. And if that's the excuse being used to limit divisions (or anything that might advance our sport), it's worth noting.
Agreed. The purpose of a coaching association. Would be to promote the sport. Not advocating for 4 divisions wouldn't be good
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