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Old 03-07-18, 06:09 AM
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While I agree that Summer for most teachers is sweet my wife does Summer school for 5-6 weeks and works a retail job about 15-20 hours. Thats her choice I understand but not much pool time.
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Old 03-07-18, 07:35 AM
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Actually, many Ohio home-schooled kids take the proficiency tests. Mine typically did it in a conference room at some hotel in Beachwood.

Mine, able to work at their own pace in the virtual classroom, were always at the very top of the rankings. So, yeah, advanced placement when they entered public school, and AP options had we continued at home.
Hey, that’s the same hotel your wife “works” at, so that’s convenient.
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Old 03-07-18, 07:37 AM
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Actually, many Ohio home-schooled kids take the proficiency tests. Mine typically did it in a conference room at some hotel in Beachwood.

Mine, able to work at their own pace in the virtual classroom, were always at the very top of the rankings. So, yeah, advanced placement when they entered public school, and AP options had we continued at home.
Sounds like ep's kids are morons and he thinks they are normal struggling in their General classes. Intro to basic math and How to Stay in the Lines While Coloring. 8th grade now! Good news ep, they have a job waiting as a nail tech or register tech at Kohls.
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Old 03-07-18, 07:39 AM
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Sounds like ep's kids are morons and he thinks they are normal struggling in their General classes. Intro to basic math and How to Stay in the Lines While Coloring. 8th grade now! Good news ep, they have a job waiting as a nail tech or register tech at Kohls.
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Old 03-07-18, 07:53 AM
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While I agree that Summer for most teachers is sweet my wife does Summer school for 5-6 weeks and works a retail job about 15-20 hours. Thats her choice I understand but not much pool time.
There was a time when most teachers had summer jobs to make ends meet. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Again, my point is we have many public entities struggling money wise, but we are held hostage educating kids by the teacher unions.
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Old 03-07-18, 07:55 AM
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Retiring after 2026 requires 60 years of age and 35 years for full benefits. They recently moved the finish line.
Any other line of work where you could retire early and get full benefits? Of course this doesn't include the new retire/ rehire rules where you get the same pay and can start getting retirement income. Heck of a a deal.
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Old 03-07-18, 08:03 AM
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I think young teachers are underpaid. Many older teachers may be overpaid.

The idea that every teacher needs a Masters and its commensurate salary is a bit stupid. We have an elementary phys Ed teacher making nearly $80k. Alumni athlete, great guy, father of 4 or 5, but that's a joke.
cab, no idea how old you are, but please name an occupation where you start higher on the pay scale?? Nearly EVERY occupation has an "entry" level wage. Now I have never understood why in most occupations that the folks that been doing THE SAME JOB makes more and more as time goes on, over and above cost of living adjustments. The job is the same, has the same affect on the company, why do people get paid sometimes double to do the same job they did 10-15 years ago? But try to get that one changed...

As far as your gym teacher pulling in nearly six figures, thank the teacher union for that. It's very scripted that if you get your masters and every "step" levels you get more money. Good teacher or bad, trigonometry, chemistry or gym class, it's all the same in the unions eyes. And yes, it's a huge joke, but what can a community do?
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The job is the same, has the same affect on the company, why do people get paid sometimes double to do the same job they did 10-15 years ago? But try to get that one changed...
Gee I don't know, maybe because some people are significantly better at their jobs than others and companies want to keep the good ones?
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Old 03-07-18, 08:54 AM
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Gee I don't know, maybe because some people are significantly better at their jobs than others and companies want to keep the good ones?
Absolutely, the experience over time does have some value to it. But let's be honest, good teacher, bad teacher, mediocre teacher, all get paid the same. Does that seem right?
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Old 03-07-18, 08:57 AM
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Any other line of work where you could retire early and get full benefits?
Police officer.
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Old 03-07-18, 09:11 AM
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Absolutely, the experience over time does have some value to it. But let's be honest, good teacher, bad teacher, mediocre teacher, all get paid the same. Does that seem right?
Are you arguing for teachers now?

I see you conveniently ignored every post that made you look like a buffoon.
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Old 03-07-18, 09:13 AM
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Absolutely, the experience over time does have some value to it. But let's be honest, good teacher, bad teacher, mediocre teacher, all get paid the same. Does that seem right?
Except they don't.
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Old 03-07-18, 09:22 AM
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Police officer.
I would add Fireman,

State elected Pols... they get 1.5 years credited to retirement for every year
they serve.

Also U.S. Military... after 30 years of service

enter age 18 ... out at age 48!

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Old 03-07-18, 09:41 AM
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Any other line of work where you could retire early and get full benefits? Of course this doesn't include the new retire/ rehire rules where you get the same pay and can start getting retirement income. Heck of a a deal.
Probably most if not all career government positions - city, county, state, and federal - are eligible for regular retirement between 55 and 70, perhaps earlier for law enforcement and firefighters. Early retirement for federal is possible, but with a substantial penalty.

Not sure how West Virginia does it, but in Ohio typically a retired teacher who decides to come back to the same job will not get the same pay from the district as a retired contractor - actually, substantially less. Cheaper for the school, their payroll is reduced, and they're no longer paying benefits for the retiree, while retaining an experienced person.

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Also U.S. Military... after 30 years of service
enter age 18 ... out at age 48!
Didn't think of the military, since a larger percentage of veterans still have a more traditional career in civilian life after they leave.

Actually, it's still 20 years for a military monthly pension. Enter at 18 - out at 38. Even better!

Navy and Marines use some creative accounting and call it "retainer pay" if you have at least 20 but less than 30, but it's the same pay.
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Old 03-07-18, 09:49 AM
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Any other line of work where you could retire early and get full benefits? Of course this doesn't include the new retire/ rehire rules where you get the same pay and can start getting retirement income. Heck of a a deal.
Cop, firefighter, soldier, any number of union building trades.

Just because you have a job where they bend you over and tell you what you are allowed to make, some situations exist where two sides negotiate. Don't be a hater because you are getting screwed. Why are you rooting for the least common denominator ?
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Old 03-07-18, 09:51 AM
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Probably most if not all career government positions - city, county, state, and federal - are eligible for regular retirement between 55 and 70, perhaps earlier for law enforcement and firefighters. Early retirement for federal is possible, but with a substantial penalty.

Not sure how West Virginia does it, but in Ohio typically a retired teacher who decides to come back to the same job will not get the same pay from the district as a retired contractor - actually, substantially less. Cheaper for the school, their payroll is reduced, and they're no longer paying benefits for the retiree, while retaining an experienced person.
And takes a job away from a young teacher.
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Old 03-07-18, 09:55 AM
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Cop, firefighter, soldier, any number of union building trades.

Just because you have a job where they bend you over and tell you what you are allowed to make, some situations exist where two sides negotiate. Don't be a hater because you are getting screwed. Why are you rooting for the least common denominator ?
Cops, firefighters, soldiers, don't see many of those in their mid-late 50's/ 60's....that's a good thing. I don't equate a school teacher as an overly physical occupation.
Look, I have no problem with how the systems work now, just don't complain about how bad you have it when many professions make less and have less control over their work. Teachers have it made...flat out. They get great pay, time off, great benefits and yet we have teacher's striking?? Really??

I see WVA administrators gave in. All's well that ends well, I guess. Wonder what program gets cut in that state so they can give the teachers a nice raise.
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Old 03-07-18, 10:06 AM
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And takes a job away from a young teacher.
No - it only takes away the opportunity to apply for one particular vacancy at one particular school. You're giving the impression the job market is locked up tight. It is not.

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Old 03-07-18, 10:39 AM
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Actually, many Ohio home-schooled kids take the proficiency tests. Mine typically did it in a conference room at some hotel in Beachwood.

Mine, able to work at their own pace in the virtual classroom, were always at the very top of the rankings. So, yeah, advanced placement when they entered public school, and AP options had we continued at home.
It's a very small sample size, but the handful of home-school kids I've had in class over the past 9 years have been woefully unprepared for college. Just one of them that I know lasted beyond the first year.

They've been cripplingly awkward around others, unable to manage a schedule, to name just a couple areas of concern. Maybe things are different in other areas.
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Old 03-07-18, 10:42 AM
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Any other line of work where you could retire early and get full benefits?
My dad could have retired from Kroger at 55 with full benefits had he lived.
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Old 03-07-18, 10:45 AM
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Lots of employers offer early retirement packages periodically. Is 14red even in the workforce?

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It's a very small sample size, but the handful of home-school kids I've had in class over the past 9 years have been woefully unprepared for college. Just one of them that I know lasted beyond the first year.

They've been cripplingly awkward around others, unable to manage a schedule, to name just a couple areas of concern. Maybe things are different in other areas.
I think that’s been everyone’s experience with homeschooled kids.
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Also U.S. Military... after 30 years of service

enter age 18 ... out at age 48!
And that is more than earned.
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Any other line of work where you could retire early and get full benefits? Of course this doesn't include the new retire/ rehire rules where you get the same pay and can start getting retirement income. Heck of a a deal.
Military, firefighter, police, air-traffic controller
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Old 03-07-18, 11:38 AM
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Cops, firefighters, soldiers, don't see many of those in their mid-late 50's/ 60's....that's a good thing. I don't equate a school teacher as an overly physical occupation.
What does the physicality of the job have to do with the question you asked??

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Look, I have no problem with how the systems work now, just don't complain about how bad you have it when many professions make less and have less control over their work. Teachers have it made...flat out. They get great pay, time off, great benefits and yet we have teacher's striking?? Really??
I still don't know where you get that teachers make "great" pay. The benefits are not that great in some states anymore. Time off?? They don't get paid for summer break. They can ask for their checks to be spread out evenly over 12 months but they don't get paid for their "time off". A lot of teachers actually work over Christmas and spring break. They are grading papers and tests. They are getting their rooms ready over summer break. They are working on their school plans during the summer.

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I see WVA administrators gave in. All's well that ends well, I guess. Wonder what program gets cut in that state so they can give the teachers a nice raise.
The state raised the pay of all employees not just teachers.
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Ohio I have two neighbors who were teachers retired at 55.
Depending on how you invest your money, there are lots of jobs you can retire from at age 55.
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They can ask for their checks to be spread out evenly over 12 months ...
It's to the advantage of the school district to do that, not the teachers

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A lot of teachers actually work over Christmas and spring break.
Maybe for a day or two. Anybody that spends the entire break working on school doesn't know what they are doing.

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They are getting their rooms ready over summer break.
Again, maybe for a day or two, and usually during a paid work day. But not all summer, the building is closed, or is being cleaned.

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Maybe for a few days, and maybe getting paid a little extra to do so.

Sometimes teaching is a lot of work, and sometimes it is not. There are many variables.
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I see WVA administrators gave in. All's well that ends well, I guess. Wonder what program gets cut in that state so they can give the teachers a nice raise.
Don't you remember? They were doing it for the kids.

Will they be better teachers now that the got the 5% raise? If so, they were being slackers before, and wouldn't deserve a raise.
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Old 03-07-18, 12:27 PM
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Will they be better teachers now that the got the 5% raise? If so, they were being slackers before, and wouldn't deserve a raise.
Jesus, really? God forbid we ever reward people for doing a good job and inspire them to be even better. What is it with you people?
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