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Old 03-06-18, 11:41 AM
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Old 03-06-18, 11:46 AM
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The last 2 companies I have worked for their was no negotiating, took what the company gave us or quit. Teachers can negotiate, which a lot of Americans who do not work for unions can not do.
Sound like a schmuck who should have picked a better career and/or better companies to work for. Most people won't just bend over in life like you apparently did.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:47 AM
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You mean things that used to be done journeyman? Doesn't require school or a certified teacher, though still a good idea. And guess what? They're in the TEACHER's union. I've no doubt you self-taught all the Math, English and reasoning you ever used.
Learned a lot more about math and English after school by reading books and going to a trade school ( geometry, trigonometry ) than I ever did in H.S. Would agree some type of schooling is important up till 8th grade after that if a kid is motivated he can learn on his own if not motivated doesn't really matter who the teacher is.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:49 AM
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The last 2 companies I have worked for their was no negotiating, took what the company gave us or quit. Teachers can negotiate, which a lot of Americans who do not work for unions can not do.
When's the last time you changed companies? I find it hard to believe any half decent, mid sized corporate setting job didn't allow salary negotiations. Nor can I imagine any half decent potential employee would settle for a job with a company that doesn't allow salary negotiation.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:50 AM
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Sound like a schmuck who should have picked a better career and/or better companies to work for. Most people won't just bend over in life like you apparently did.
I work for one of the largest companies in the world, and my pay is not bad (probably am over paid ) but I have no negotiating rights.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:51 AM
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You're the perfect hire for large companies. Someone who will just take it without asking questions. Hey if you're happy you're happy.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:56 AM
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Looks like a deal has been reached - teachers are getting the 5%, as are all other state employees:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ays/398850002/

What's interesting is that they don't appear to have district union locals - it looks like teachers are considered akin to WV state employees and have their pay determined as such, instead of being set by the local districts - or else I'm not sure how their pay and benefits structure works

I've been following this with interest. I have an aunt who taught at the high school and college level, and became an administrator for the WV dept of education before she retired 15 years ago. She's been posting updates on FB. I'm going to visit her in a few weeks, so she can give me a better explanation on the issue.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:59 AM
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I would not say my teachers were awful but I agree anyone with a half brain can teach themselves math, English, and any other subject. One area that kids need hands on training is in welding, how to run a mill and lathe, skills that are very much in demand

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Old 03-06-18, 12:07 PM
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The most troublesome part of this strike is that it was unlawful, according to Hillbilly ( WV )law it is unlawful for public employees to strike, so the teachers are setting an ex. to their students if you do not agree with the law just go ahead and break it.
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Old 03-06-18, 12:09 PM
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Jesus was a carpenter, not a machinist or welder
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Old 03-06-18, 12:09 PM
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Jesus was a carpenter, not a machinist or welder
The US could use more carpenters to.
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Old 03-06-18, 12:11 PM
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what state can a teacher retire at 55? i need to move to that state. lol

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Old 03-06-18, 12:13 PM
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what state can a teacher retire at 55? i need to move to that state. lol

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Ohio I have two neighbors who were teachers retired at 55.
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Old 03-06-18, 12:15 PM
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The most troublesome part of this strike is that it was unlawful, according to Hillbilly ( WV )law it is unlawful for public employees to strike, so the teachers are setting an ex. to their students if you do not agree with the law just go ahead and break it.
Or it's saying, if you don't agree with something, the people have the power to change it. Beautiful really. What America's all about.
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Old 03-06-18, 12:16 PM
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Ohio I have two neighbors who were teachers retired at 55.
Sample size of 2 is definitely good enough I'd say.
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Old 03-06-18, 12:23 PM
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Ohio I have two neighbors who were teachers retired at 55.
not anymore. those retire at 55 days are long gone.

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Old 03-06-18, 12:23 PM
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I work for one of the largest companies in the world, and my pay is not bad (probably am over paid ) but I have no negotiating rights.
Sounds unAmerican. Shameful, really.
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Old 03-06-18, 12:25 PM
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Lol. More yappi poster teacher hate. This site is amazing.
The conserv-a-twits just automatically want to wipe out public school teachers because they support the Dems. Same concept as Dems just hating the NRA because they support the 'Pubs. Binary morons.
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Old 03-06-18, 12:36 PM
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The most troublesome part of this strike is that it was unlawful, according to Hillbilly ( WV )law it is unlawful for public employees to strike, so the teachers are setting an ex. to their students if you do not agree with the law just go ahead and break it.
That point seems to be a bit fuzzy, legally speaking. On the one hand, there is no right to strike given. On the other hand, it may not be against the law, but can be grounds for disciplinary action.

Their court has issued one opinion on the matter, some legal experts say otherwise, but the lawmakers never put anything down in black and white, the way it is for, federal employees. I might give it a score of 65-35 in favor of illegal at this point. Reminds me of ambiguous contract language I've seen that could easily be clarified, but nobody ever bothers to take the time.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-strike-isnt-/

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Old 03-06-18, 12:41 PM
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Wow....anyone else hear dueling banjos in this thread?
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Old 03-06-18, 12:42 PM
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Good data:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c11b4d342e7c
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Old 03-06-18, 12:52 PM
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Lol. More yappi poster teacher hate. This site is amazing.
Don't think anyone on this site " hates teachers ". What I take offense to is this notion that they are under paid, obviously I do not think they are under paid at all, at least not in my surrounding area.
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Old 03-06-18, 01:19 PM
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What I take offense to is this notion that they are under paid, obviously I do not think they are under paid at all, at least not in my surrounding area.
What an unAmerican take.
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Old 03-06-18, 01:34 PM
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I agree, most teachers can retire at 55 and set for life, that's really disgusting isn't it.
When you say set for life do you mean they can get a job to make up the difference between their pension and what they need to live on?

I have a lot of relatives and friends who are teachers and the only ones that are "set for life" married a successful spouse who made 6 figures.
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Old 03-06-18, 01:35 PM
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The US could use more carpenters to.
And evidently more English teachers too
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Old 03-06-18, 01:52 PM
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Teachers have a nice life
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Old 03-06-18, 03:31 PM
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not anymore. those retire at 55 days are long gone.

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Old 03-06-18, 03:55 PM
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WV is ranked #23 of 51 in lowest cost of living.

#1 was Mississippi and the figures I saw included Washington DC(2nd highest).

https://www.missourieconomy.org/indi...ost_of_living/

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Old 03-06-18, 04:00 PM
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I work for one of the largest companies in the world, and my pay is not bad (probably am over paid ) but I have no negotiating rights.
Many states operate under an "at will" state. This means you can leave anytime you want, and the company can get rid of you anytime they want. So yes, no negotiating rights. Now most companies don't live that way too much because it's a horrible work environment. Contract labor (like teacher unions) there are organized negotiations. This can raise the wage, but also brings about a sense of entitlement and inflating of wages and benefits. The teachers unions are the strongest in the country because they have kids to negotiate over.
I would like to see federal or state legislation where teachers can hold kids education hostage to get more money. Especially when the money isn't there. There was a time when teachers didn't make much, but having all that time off was the trade off. Now they get paid great AND have lots of time off.
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Old 03-06-18, 04:03 PM
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Sounds unAmerican. Shameful, really.
Not really most companies operate this way. Labor unions killed the Detroit automakers. That's why we see so many foreign car makers now. People decided they wanted to pay less for a quality product than pay union labor for crappy cars and trucks.
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