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Old 03-06-18, 08:17 AM
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WVA Teachers - It's for the kids!

Gotta love teacher unions...so kids in W. Virginia have had an early and extended spring break because their teachers are upset about their pay. Mind you these are "contracts" but that's ok, they can be broken by one side at any time.

They are upset because they aren't getting ENOUGH of a raise, not that they are not getting any raise, but not enough. They want a 5% increase because the smaller increase doesn't even cover the increased cost of their health care increase. Ummm, welcome to the real world???

These stories just ridiculous. First of all, the AVERAGE WVA teacher is $47,700. That's not bad considering you get 3 months off in the summer, fall break, Christmas break, spring break and every holiday known to man during the school year.

And here is the kicker, where does the money come from to pay teachers??? It's a combo of state funds and local funds. So there is no unending pot of money for these types of "state" employees. You stay within your means.

We complain about education in America, you bust up the teachers unions, and I'll guarantee you'll see a dramatic increase in American education.
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Old 03-06-18, 09:10 AM
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Jim Justice (Governor) needs to pull a Reagan/Air-Traffic-Controller resolution...
give them a 24 hour deadline to return to work or face termination.

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Old 03-06-18, 09:15 AM
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We complain about education in America, you bust up the teachers unions, and I'll guarantee you'll see a dramatic increase in American education.
No you won't.
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Old 03-06-18, 09:18 AM
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West Virginia is 48th in annual median income (in 2015). West Virginia high school teachers made an average of $45,240 a year in 2016, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That is the 47th-lowest salary in the 50 states.
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Old 03-06-18, 09:40 AM
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No you won't.
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Tragically stupid notion. If he is a product of public education, I will admit that someone failed him somewhere along the line
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Old 03-06-18, 09:50 AM
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West Virginia is 48th in annual median income (in 2015). West Virginia high school teachers made an average of $45,240 a year in 2016, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That is the 47th-lowest salary in the 50 states.
Can we say the cost of living in WVA is 47th of the 50 states? Don't twist this around. Of course the cost of living in some states are less than others. I'd guess it's pretty inexpensive to live in that state, compared to the others.

My main point is this, $47,000 per year is a good wage for most occupations. I'm sure the teachers would be upset if the districts just replaced them with other teachers, there are plenty of them out there looking for work and would be happy with that wage. My other point is that many in the private sector have gone years without a wage increase, and sometimes a pay cut, all the while seeing health insurance rates continue to rise. Should teachers be immune to the real world?
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Old 03-06-18, 09:59 AM
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Seeing as how I'm for anything 14Red is against, good for the teachers. This is why our country is so great. Apparently 14Red doesn't like freedom and democracy.
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Old 03-06-18, 09:59 AM
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Pay the teachers the 5 percent raise. Pretty simple.
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Old 03-06-18, 10:02 AM
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Pay the teachers the 5 percent raise. Pretty simple.
Agreed. It's disgusting what some of these states pay teachers.
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Old 03-06-18, 10:10 AM
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My main point is this, $47,000 per year is a good wage for most occupations.
No, it is not.

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there are plenty of them out there looking for work and would be happy with that wage.
No, there are not. There are less people going into teaching these days. I wonder why.

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My other point is that many in the private sector have gone years without a wage increase, and sometimes a pay cut, all the while seeing health insurance rates continue to rise.
Maybe they should organize and strike.
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Old 03-06-18, 10:19 AM
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No, it is not.
West Virginia's median household income was $43,385 in 2016.

Also, if you (charitably) say that teachers work 10 months out of the year that equates to an adjusted salary of $56,400.
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Old 03-06-18, 10:23 AM
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Also, if you (charitably) say that teachers work 10 months out of the year that equates to an adjusted salary of $56,400.
This is another lie. Teachers put in more work than most people and their work is more important than most outside the military and doctors and nurses.
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Old 03-06-18, 10:24 AM
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West Virginia's median household income was $43,385 in 2016.
And teachers should get paid way more than that. It sounds like WV could use better education and better-paid teachers.
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Old 03-06-18, 10:26 AM
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Those who can, do; those who can't, teach; those who can't teach, administrate.
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Old 03-06-18, 10:36 AM
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This is another lie. Teachers put in more work than most people and their work is more important than most outside the military and doctors and nurses.
Lol, all the teachers I had were awful. Literally YouTube is better than teachers at teaching
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Old 03-06-18, 10:40 AM
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Can we say the cost of living in WVA is 47th of the 50 states? Don't twist this around. Of course the cost of living in some states are less than others. I'd guess it's pretty inexpensive to live in that state, compared to the others. ...
WV is ranked #23 of 51 in lowest cost of living.

#1 was Mississippi and the figures I saw included Washington DC(2nd highest).

https://www.missourieconomy.org/indi...ost_of_living/

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Old 03-06-18, 10:42 AM
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West Virginia is 48th in annual median income (in 2015). West Virginia high school teachers made an average of $45,240 a year in 2016, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That is the 47th-lowest salary in the 50 states.
IOW, commensurate with the population's ability to pay.
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Old 03-06-18, 10:46 AM
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WV is ranked #23 of 51 in lowest cost of living.

#1 was Mississippi and the figures I saw included Washington DC(2nd highest).

https://www.missourieconomy.org/indi...ost_of_living/

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So, as we all expected, 14Red has no idea what he's talking about.
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Old 03-06-18, 10:57 AM
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Lol. More yappi poster teacher hate. This site is amazing.
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Old 03-06-18, 10:59 AM
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West Virginia's public employees aren't unionized. They have "associations" that lobby for legislative measures regarding work conditions, pay, insurance and the like. They don't have the same collective bargaining set up we're used to seeing here in Ohio. Even school superintendents and Board of Education members have gone to Charleston to show support for the teachers (only mentioning that to illustrate the difference because in Ohio that's usually who's sitting on the other side of the table from the teachers' union).
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Old 03-06-18, 10:59 AM
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Lol, all the teachers I had were awful. Literally YouTube is better than teachers at teaching
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Old 03-06-18, 11:03 AM
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And teachers should get paid way more than that. It sounds like WV could use better education and better-paid teachers.
That was household median income of $43,000 compared to an individual teacher whose median wage is btw. 42,000 to 47,000 dollars depending whose data you go by. Plus teachers have much better benefits than most people in the private sector.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:19 AM
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Lol, all the teachers I had were awful. Literally YouTube is better than teachers at teaching
I would not say my teachers were awful but I agree anyone with a half brain can teach themselves math, English, and any other subject. One area that kids need hands on training is in welding, how to run a mill and lathe, skills that are very much in demand.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:26 AM
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They are upset because they aren't getting ENOUGH of a raise, not that they are not getting any raise, but not enough. They want a 5% increase because the smaller increase doesn't even cover the increased cost of their health care increase. Ummm, welcome to the real world???

These stories just ridiculous. First of all, the AVERAGE WVA teacher is $47,700. That's not bad considering you get 3 months off in the summer, fall break, Christmas break, spring break and every holiday known to man during the school year.
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As opposed to those that think the "real world" doesn't include salary negotiation.

I'm sure you just stuck your azz up in the air and let someone else dictate your worth? Never negotiated a raise? Never changed job to get an increase?
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Old 03-06-18, 11:27 AM
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Agreed. It's disgusting what some of these states pay teachers.
I agree, most teachers can retire at 55 and set for life, that's really disgusting isn't it.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:29 AM
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. One area that kids need hands on training is in welding, how to run a mill and lathe, skills that are very much in demand.
You mean things that used to be done journeyman? Doesn't require school or a certified teacher, though still a good idea. And guess what? They're in the TEACHER's union. I've no doubt you self-taught all the Math, English and reasoning you ever used.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:30 AM
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I would not say my teachers were awful but I agree anyone with a half brain can teach themselves math, English, and any other subject. One area that kids need hands on training is in welding, how to run a mill and lathe, skills that are very much in demand.
Jesus.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:34 AM
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As opposed to those that think the "real world" doesn't include salary negotiation.

I'm sure you just stuck your azz up in the air and let someone else dictate your worth? Never negotiated a raise? Never changed job to get an increase?
The last 2 companies I have worked for their was no negotiating, took what the company gave us or quit. Teachers can negotiate, which a lot of Americans who do not work for unions can not do.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:37 AM
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Jesus.
Yes we do need more of Jesus in this country.
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Old 03-06-18, 11:37 AM
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The last 2 companies I have worked for their was no negotiating,
Apparently, we do need English teachers.
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