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Old 03-08-18, 02:00 PM
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1. Not any different than worrying about cars putting blacksmiths out of business. Work and jobs will always exist.
2&3. The skills-gap jobs are more in the $75-125K range after a few years experience. There's no flood of obsolete labor on the horizon.
We lost a lot of blacksmiths but gained tens of thousands of assembly line workers. Driverless cars built by robots to replace human drivers is completely different.

Some work and jobs will always exist. The more advanced robotics and AI becomes the fewer people we will need to sustain the economy. The impact of this on society to me seems akin to installing communism.
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Old 03-08-18, 02:06 PM
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Is there anything you're not an alarmist about?
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Old 03-08-18, 02:14 PM
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1. Not any different than worrying about cars putting blacksmiths out of business.
Metal workers were in demand in auto plants, or did you mean farriers?
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Old 03-08-18, 02:15 PM
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I'm an alarmist for telling the truth I guess
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Old 03-08-18, 02:24 PM
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Metal workers were in demand in auto plants, or did you mean farriers?
Farriers can make pretty good money as well.
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Old 03-08-18, 02:25 PM
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I'm an alarmist for telling the truth I guess
Telling the truth? Is this all fact?
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Old 03-08-18, 02:33 PM
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Farriers can make pretty good money as well.
Very similar to many jobs. Spend all day looking at a bunch of horse's ....
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Old 03-08-18, 02:36 PM
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It will be if we don't place limitations on robotics and AI.
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Old 03-08-18, 02:38 PM
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It will be if we don't place limitations on robotics and AI.
So you can see the future is what you're telling us?
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Old 03-08-18, 02:43 PM
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Telling the truth? Is this all fact?
In Crusaders' world it is. In everyone elses it's called an opinion.
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Old 03-08-18, 02:48 PM
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I remember when Crusders was for a street car in Cincinnati. Said it's good for the city lol. We have like 3 riders per day when it's not broke down. lol
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Old 03-08-18, 02:50 PM
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How are the property values along the streetcar? How's the development going along it? And has the city government stopped trying to sabotage it?
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Old 03-08-18, 02:50 PM
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I remember when Crusders was for a street car in Cincinnati. Said it's good for the city lol. We have like 3 riders per day when it's not broke down. lol
To be honest I love the street car, when it works. But as you hinted: it's down, for one reason or another, nearly as often as its operational.
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Old 03-08-18, 02:51 PM
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So you can see the future is what you're telling us?
It doesn't require seeing the future. There is no arguing that more robots and AI means more jobs for humans. It doesn't make any sense. There's no logic there.

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Old 03-08-18, 04:19 PM
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Put all of your investments into those companies that own those robots that build other robots!!
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Old 03-08-18, 06:26 PM
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build your own ai. it isnt even hard they tell u how on youtube.
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Old 03-08-18, 06:32 PM
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It doesn't require seeing the future. There is no arguing that more robots and AI means more jobs for humans. It doesn't make any sense. There's no logic there.
I think the point is you’re making an argument. No reason to act like what you’re saying will happen in the future is absolute fact.
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Old 03-08-18, 06:54 PM
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I'm saying it is the truth, as in it's the logical progression of our current trajectory. We can change it if we set boundaries for this stuff, which I think we will.
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Old 03-08-18, 07:07 PM
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Crusaders definitely isn't an alarmist. He never reacts hysterically to things.

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The impact of this on society to me seems akin to installing communism.

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It's literally an existential threat to everything we have built in this country

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You don't want to know the facts because the implications are too extreme for your petulant mind to handle.

On wealth redistribution

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The wealth doesn't belong to just the owner. They didn't sit there and make it all themselves, therefore they are not entitled to as much as they want.

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And you'd be working for a sh*tty employer if they don't list the Monday prior to the 4th when the 4th is on a Tuesday.
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There's literally nothing about it that doesn't make someone a complete azshat.
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it's a dumb, sleazy thing to do
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Old 03-08-18, 07:09 PM
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Lol
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Old 03-08-18, 07:17 PM
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Crusaders definitely isn't an alarmist. He never reacts hysterically to things.

On automation
Looks correct.

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On SJW's
Progressivism, not SJWs.


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On Global warming
Needs context.

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On wealth redistribution
Again correct.

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On getting the 3rd of July off
It is pretty a dumb thing to do. Not sure what the problem is here.

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Not sure why you keep or search for all of this stuff
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Old 03-08-18, 07:43 PM
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Strange to dig all that up, but funny.
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Old 03-08-18, 08:18 PM
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Yeah but you have to respect the dedication to clowning Crusaders. If you're gonna' do it, might as well do it right.
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Old 03-08-18, 08:22 PM
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I'm saying it is the truth, as in it's the logical progression of our current trajectory. We can change it if we set boundaries for this stuff, which I think we will.
Our entire biological history is based on progression. Where do we go when we try to stifle that?

Also, to stop technological progression you have to stop war entirely, so good luck with that lol
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Old 03-08-18, 08:27 PM
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I don't think making ourselves obsolete is progress.

We have limits on nuclear weapons. AI should be handled with even more care.
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Old 03-08-18, 08:42 PM
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Evolution has been going on for 3.5 billion years. I think it's naive to believe we have any chance at stopping it. Just let it naturally progress.

Besides, it's not like we'll go extinct in an instant. It's going to be a progression that takes place over thousands of year(maybe even faster if technology progression continues to happen faster and faster).

Right now it's our jobs, next it's actually us, part by part over time. We're able to pump out more and more artificial body parts by the year. We're watching it happen.

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Old 03-08-18, 08:49 PM
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How is the technology we make analogous to evolutionary processes?

Do you want humanity to end or something?
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Old 03-08-18, 08:51 PM
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Saders fears the power of AI.
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Old 03-08-18, 08:53 PM
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How is the technology we make analogous to evolutionary processes?

Do you want humanity to end or something?
No, but it's going to happen is my point. We're not stopping it.
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Saders fears the power of AI.
Only complete morons don't
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