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Old 03-02-18, 09:18 AM
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I find it funny that OHSAA let a January incident continue that long. Also why punish West Carrolton (1st rd game) and not put the hammer down then?

And the forfeit comes down after they beat the one team that knew the most about the incident
The way I read it (maybe i'm wrong) is that OHSAA reached out to Dunbar saying "hey did you sit those players?" (x7). They probably just assumed Dunbar DID sit the players (because who would be dumb enough not to), and were just trying to get the proper paperwork completed. After continually not hearing back, they took matters into their own hands, reviewed game film or the scorebooks or whatever, determined they did not sit the players, and here we are.
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Old 03-02-18, 09:31 AM
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I find it funny that OHSAA let a January incident continue that long. Also why punish West Carrolton (1st rd game) and not put the hammer down then?

And the forfeit comes down after they beat the one team that knew the most about the incident
Did the kids in question play against WC? If so, then yes, I think the OHSAA dropped the ball on this one....as they obviously knew it was coming based on the SEVEN contacts with Dunbar
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Old 03-02-18, 10:31 AM
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Brand new coach and AD probably didn't help matters.
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Old 03-02-18, 10:42 AM
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Just like the football fiasco you cant ignore the timing and/or not have questions. If Dunbar had to be removed West Carrolton should be playing Sunday and everyone knows it. The timing of the choice to pull Dunbar was obviously to ensure Thurgood would play. Now who had a part in that who knows. Baker has to go no doubt and whoever else dropped the ball. But its mighty fishy the way things come out. No way they let them play two tourney games then make that move without already knowing they were going to do it. Especially if they called 7 times! They had to know how unfair it would be to west Carrolton to let dunbar play them ESPECIALLY IF THE STATE KNEW ALL THIS TIME.d
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Old 03-02-18, 10:46 AM
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The fact that it's a new coach and new ad and it still ends up as crazy as it do lets me know that someone is playing a game. THIS SHOULDVE BEEN RESOLVED NO MATTER IF DUNBAR SCREWED UP OR NOT! The fact that its a mess just like football is not a coincidence
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Old 03-02-18, 10:59 AM
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Does anyone have the box scores for the Dunbar vs WC and the Dunbar vs Marshall games?
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Old 03-02-18, 12:45 PM
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It is total incompetency on numerous levels. The question is this, does Baker have the clout to get away with it or is this where his time ends??
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Old 03-02-18, 12:58 PM
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According to the Fenwick twitter page the Boys Basketball game has been rescheduled until Wednesday March 7th?!?!?!
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Old 03-02-18, 01:01 PM
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Does anyone have the box scores for the Dunbar vs WC and the Dunbar vs Marshall games?
Partials only but they probably have what you're looking for:

http://www.dpssports.org/bkGameStats.aspx?gameid=291495

http://www.dpssports.org/bkGameStats.aspx?gameid=293014
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Old 03-02-18, 01:04 PM
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OHSAA Role

I think (therefore opinion) that some of you do not fully understand the role of the OHSAA here. In any eligibility case, it is up to the SCHOOL to report it. I take it that the 7 contacts from the OHSAA where to find out WHEN the suspensions were served. The OHSAA cannot monitor every game played. Re the West Carrollton game, the OHSAA has no way of knowing if the players played or not. WC didn't report anything (because they didn't know anything)nor did Dunbar. Where it became reported was when Dunbar played Marshall and TM knew suspensions hadn't been served because the suspensions was from the game between each other earlier.
Could of TM said something after the WC game, maybe, but that assumes they were there to see the ineligible players play. If done then, then it would've been a TM-WC and Marshall would've probably won anyway so not sure where some are saying WC got screwed here.
Bottom line, the OHSAA relies on the cooperation of INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS reporting, whether grades or suspensions unless someone else reports and then they will investigate. Last year Belmont brought up grade issue and I assume this year TM brought up the suspension issue. In both cases the two constants are DUNBAR and BAKER.
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Old 03-02-18, 01:05 PM
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According to the Fenwick twitter page the Boys Basketball game has been rescheduled until Wednesday March 7th?!?!?!
Maybe anticipating a court challenge since DPS Super implied OHSAA wrong.
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Old 03-02-18, 01:43 PM
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Maybe anticipating a court challenge since DPS Super implied OHSAA wrong.
Inside sources say that Dunbar is appealing/suing. This episode backs up more days for d2 games. Wow!
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Old 03-02-18, 02:22 PM
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Yes, Fenwick twitter account confirmed game has been moved to next week now
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Old 03-02-18, 02:38 PM
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All y'all jump to quick conclusions folks..... I am telling you! OHSAA may be in the wrong on this one?? Stay tuned......
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Old 03-02-18, 02:48 PM
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According to the Fenwick twitter page the Boys Basketball game has been rescheduled until Wednesday March 7th?!?!?!
Hope they cleared this with the OHSAA
http://www.ohsaa.org/Portals/0/Sport...s/bbkrglts.pdf

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5) Coaching and Season end — Girls: February 24, 2018*
Boys: March 3, 2018*
*Unless later date is approved due to weather issues

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Old 03-02-18, 03:07 PM
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All y'all jump to quick conclusions folks..... I am telling you! OHSAA may be in the wrong on this one?? Stay tuned......
Did the 7 players who were ejected sit out 2 games?--that is the only question that needs to be answered by Dunbar
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Old 03-02-18, 03:40 PM
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Did the 7 players who were ejected sit out 2 games?--that is the only question that needs to be answered by Dunbar
Like I said in an earlier post, it was not 7 players it was one or two in question from the Dunbar standpoint. One or two that got some mop up duty.... Stay tuned

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news...nTgjPX2u5GxEP/
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Old 03-02-18, 03:51 PM
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Somewhere Peter Pullen is feeling relief for not being a part of this mess anymore, but at the same time, has to be disappointed for the kids.
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Old 03-02-18, 03:53 PM
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If this get turned around, crows are going to become endangered species. It is a long shot but all these Policy and suspension experts on the Yap are too much ...

Here is some info that I heard through the "Grapevine"..

Dunbar was responsible for spending, John Doe player.
It appears John Doe was not involved in the altercation and did not leave the bench.

OHSAA never made any "real" calls.

Somebody "called" OHSAA and said John Doe did leave the bench and was never suspended.

Dunbar says, No! No! We got video on this one. Call the Lawyers! Like I said..Two post ago Stay the hell tuned.....

Either way this turns out its all bad!! Because kids are in the middle..

But all yall "off with their head folks". Pump your Breaks! LOL!
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Old 03-02-18, 04:31 PM
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The OHSAA cited Dunbar’s use of an ineligible player in its last tournament game, and the school’s failure to enforce suspensions against multiple junior varsity players stemming from a Jan. 10 on-court fight during a game.

In its court filing Friday, Dayton Public Schools included an affidavit from Dunbar junior varsity coach Donnovan Brown. Brown claims that a “John Doe” player who splits time between the junior varsity and varsity teams is the player OHSAA said should have been suspended, but played in a Dunbar tournament game Feb. 23.

Brown says in his affidavit that he watched video of the altercation twice – the day after it happened and again this week – and the “John Doe” player was not involved in the fight, so he was not suspended.

In the primary court complaint, DPS’ attorney wrote that “at no point between Jan. 10, 2018 and Feb. 23, 2018, did any OHSAA official advise DPS administrators at either Dunbar or Thurgood Marshall that all players leaving the bench area during the altercation were or should have been suspended for two games.”


Sorry but the OHSAA tried to inform the school 7 times regarding the situation and Dunbar failed to respond--and now a JV coach is going to go back and watch a tape from January--this is totally ridiculous. What the hell was the varsity coach and AD doing since January 10th?

Dunbar needs to take the suspension and stop messing up Fenwick and Thurgood's season by now forcing those kids and coaches to wait until next Thursday to play--just selfish--OHSAA members need to vote Dunbar out of the Organization and let them be a Prep School with no rules.
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Old 03-02-18, 04:39 PM
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From Dayton Daily News Article:

In the primary court complaint, DPS’ attorney wrote that “at no point between Jan. 10, 2018 and Feb. 23, 2018, did any OHSAA official advise DPS administrators at either Dunbar or Thurgood Marshall that all players leaving the bench area during the altercation were or should have been suspended for two games.”


I hope DPS has a better argument than "we weren't told"; especially in light of the fact that Marshall figured this out.
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Old 03-02-18, 04:44 PM
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Sports officials need to boycott DPL games. Too dangerous to work if there is no accountability for violence.
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Old 03-02-18, 04:45 PM
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From Dayton Daily News Article:

In the primary court complaint, DPS’ attorney wrote that “at no point between Jan. 10, 2018 and Feb. 23, 2018, did any OHSAA official advise DPS administrators at either Dunbar or Thurgood Marshall that all players leaving the bench area during the altercation were or should have been suspended for two games.”


I hope DPS has a better argument than "we weren't told"; especially in light of the fact that Marshall figured this out.

The OHSAA statement says "7 documented" times....so I'm guessing it wasn't like someone from the OHSAA called and left a voice mail for the DPS folks. Someone in the DPS knew about it. With regard to the lawsuit....I thought after the Lebron debacle that all OHSAA members as part of their membership agreement agree that they will abide by all rulings and that they give up the right to take any ruling to court?
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Old 03-02-18, 04:54 PM
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The OHSAA statement says "7 documented" times....so I'm guessing it wasn't like someone from the OHSAA called and left a voice mail for the DPS folks. Someone in the DPS knew about it. With regard to the lawsuit....I thought after the Lebron debacle that all OHSAA members as part of their membership agreement agree that they will abide by all rulings and that they give up the right to take any ruling to court?
You nailed it tcgo--OHSAA talked to someone at Dunbar--no voice mails about this--and you can bet that Thurgood knew Dunbar didn't sit the kids out for 2 games--and notified OHSAA after the tourney game. Bottom line it's ridiculous that Fenwick and Thurgood have to wait until next Thursday--no teams at this point in the season want to practice Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday for a game that should be played Sunday.
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Old 03-02-18, 05:03 PM
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http://ohsaa.org/Portals/0/Sports/Ba...ballManual.pdf

"Player Ejections
Whenever a player is ejected, he/she is to remain on the bench under the jurisdiction of the coach. It is easier to understand this when we realize we
do not want an ejected player ‘running loose’ in the locker room, school bus, or anywhere else in the school building unsupervised. Any player
ejected is suspended from any and all contests the remainder of the day and from all contests until 2 contests at the level of the ejection are
completed. In other words, a player ejected from a Varsity game is not eligible in any freshmen or JV contest until 2 VARSITY games are complete.
Ejected players MAY now ride the bus to and from away contests during the period of suspension AND they may sit on the team bench or in the
bench area but they may not under any circumstances be in warm-ups, uniform OR participate in any part of the warm-up before the game
or at halftime."
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Old 03-02-18, 05:15 PM
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http://ohsaa.org/Portals/0/Sports/Ba...ballManual.pdf

"Player Ejections
Whenever a player is ejected, he/she is to remain on the bench under the jurisdiction of the coach. It is easier to understand this when we realize we
do not want an ejected player ‘running loose’ in the locker room, school bus, or anywhere else in the school building unsupervised. Any player
ejected is suspended from any and all contests the remainder of the day and from all contests until 2 contests at the level of the ejection are
completed. In other words, a player ejected from a Varsity game is not eligible in any freshmen or JV contest until 2 VARSITY games are complete.
Ejected players MAY now ride the bus to and from away contests during the period of suspension AND they may sit on the team bench or in the
bench area but they may not under any circumstances be in warm-ups, uniform OR participate in any part of the warm-up before the game
or at halftime."
Pretty clearly stated Termite
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Old 03-02-18, 05:25 PM
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The game officials are required to file a report with the state within 48 hours with a copy going to the school principals.
Dunbar knew exactly what they were doing.They just figured the OHSAA wouldn’t do anything for fear of being called racist.
They were wrong this time.
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Old 03-02-18, 05:37 PM
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The student In question did not participate in the altercation. His name was on a list the refs sent to the state. This one student is the kid in question. The news and most everyone else took whatever information they had and ran with a story without all the facts.

There was a parent meeting at Dunbar last night where the principal and coaches detailed all of the information and why DPS was fighting the incident. Dunbar's goal is to prove that they did everything the state required and that the OHSAA was not correct in bringing down the sanction. This is the issue, not 7 kids. One kid. Stay tuned...

Is it too much to say that the OHSSA might have done something wrong?
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Old 03-02-18, 05:48 PM
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The student In question did not participate in the altercation. His name was on a list the refs sent to the state. This one student is the kid in question. The news and most everyone else took whatever information they had and ran with a story without all the facts.

There was a parent meeting at Dunbar last night where the principal and coaches detailed all of the information and why DPS was fighting the incident. Dunbar's goal is to prove that they did everything the state required and that the OHSAA was not correct in bringing down the sanction. This is the issue, not 7 kids. One kid. Stay tuned...

Is it too much to say that the OHSSA might have done something wrong?
Then why didn't Dunbar respond officially to any of the 7 calls from OHSAA--that isn't made up as it was in the OHSAA press release--in fact the posters on here are going by what OHSAA and the newspapers reported--Cincy Enquirer just reported on-line that 7 players were ejected:

Enquirer at 4:35 today:

The OHSAA removed Dunbar from the tournament after the OHSAA confirmed Dunbar used an ineligible player in a tournament game. The ineligibility stems from a bench-clearing fight Jan. 10 during a regular-season game between Dunbar and Thurgood Marshall.

Seven Dunbar players left the bench during the altercation, but the school failed to suspend the players for the required two games. The OHSAA made seven documented attempts to communicate with the school regarding the mandated suspensions. However, the suspensions were not served, resulting in forfeiture and removal from the tournament when one of the ineligible players participated in a tournament game.

So OHSAA, Dayton Daily News, the refs at the game, and Cincy Enquirer all have it wrong--
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Advantage Dunbar or Thurgood over Fenwick...
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