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Old 02-25-17, 05:53 PM
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Qualified for Distric with a 0-15 record

170 Pound Placers
1st Jason Binkiewicz 12, Buckeye Local (31-11), Fall 1:29
2nd Michael Herrmann 10, Steub. Cath. Cent. (12-18)
3rd Timothy Bell 9, Bellaire (9-14), Fall 2:22
4th ? ? 12, Barnesville (0-15)
5th Damion Green 10, Bridgeport (7-11), Bye
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Old 02-25-17, 06:17 PM
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Madison Plains Sectional.....73 wrestlers, 51 advance to districts.
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Old 02-25-17, 06:47 PM
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Handing out participation trophies everywhere now.
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Old 02-25-17, 06:54 PM
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170 Pound Placers
1st Jason Binkiewicz 12, Buckeye Local (31-11), Fall 1:29
2nd Michael Herrmann 10, Steub. Cath. Cent. (12-18)
3rd Timothy Bell 9, Bellaire (9-14), Fall 2:22
4th Jared Dugan 12, Barnesville (0-15)
5th Damion Green 10, Bridgeport (7-11), Bye
6th
Out of this sectional you pick out the 170? The issue is 106, 113, and 285. A BYE will advance to the next weekend. This is the problem.
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Old 02-25-17, 06:55 PM
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Byes do not advance
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Old 02-25-17, 07:05 PM
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Current state of wrestling....
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Old 02-25-17, 07:14 PM
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The number of sectionals and the lack of wrestlers to fill them seems to be an issue?
Districts will separate the wheat from the chaff.
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Old 02-25-17, 07:29 PM
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Mike Felts:
there are no byes coming out of Barnesville
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Old 02-25-17, 07:31 PM
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Current state of wrestling....
Check out the DIII Madison Plains brackets.

Not sure who would get out in 106 & 113.

160??? & 285 also were barn burners.
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Old 02-25-17, 07:33 PM
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Way to single a kid out...idiot
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Old 02-25-17, 07:47 PM
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I dont know a whole lot about this sectional but after reading the thread, it appears that 3 of the top 4 have losing records. This is now the state of the sport. I wrestled in the mid 80s and there were full brackets everywhere. Not so cool to call a kid out, at least he had the balls to wrestle 15 matches this season, and at least show up at sectionals. More than I could say about most kids in today's society. Hats off to you Jared Dugan, your a tuff kid for hanging in there, most kids would have quit.
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Old 02-25-17, 07:51 PM
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Way to single a kid out...idiot
+1

Pointing out the weakness of a sectional or lack of participation at some schools is OK with me. If you single out one kid...not OK.

He spent a season in a wrestling room. No problem with him being rewarded.

If someone wanted his district spot, they should have gone out for wrestling at that weight at another school in his sectional.

Not sure what to say about 5th. place??? Should having "wins" during the season put you in a better place on the bracket if there are less then 6 wrestlers? I'm sure that kid would love to wrestle the 4th. place kid for a chance to go.
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Old 02-25-17, 07:52 PM
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I say we go back to the 80's way and have district and regional instead of sectional district and only qualify top 8 to state.
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Old 02-25-17, 07:57 PM
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i say we go back to the 80's way and have district and regional instead of sectional district and only qualify top 8 to state.
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Old 02-25-17, 08:17 PM
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I say we go back to the 80's way and have district and regional instead of sectional district and only qualify top 8 to state.
AND...Follow your man.
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Old 02-25-17, 09:00 PM
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Hey I'd rather see a wrestler go 0-15 with a tough schedule than go 15-0 with a light one. Just sayin.


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Old 02-25-17, 09:05 PM
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Current state of wrestling....
Ditch the singlet and these brackets would all be full
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Old 02-25-17, 10:21 PM
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Ditch the singlet and these brackets would all be full


this made my night
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Old 02-25-17, 10:25 PM
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Amazing, I saw a kid with 35 wins one year and didn't qualify for districts
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Old 02-25-17, 10:56 PM
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Ditch the singlet and these brackets would all be full
We have 12 wrestlers on our varsity roster. If NFHS went away singlets, we would have 12 kids on our varsity roster.
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Old 02-25-17, 11:00 PM
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Way to single a kid out...idiot
I wouldn't say idiot, but I agree with bringing notice to it...the bracket was the bracket and because the kid was brave enough to step on the mat and wrestle-no matter the result-he may have earned his way-now I don't know the kid at all or the background so this all could be all for not-just saying it possible he was brave enough to wrestle and show up-so if he placed what he placed-then so be it.
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Old 02-25-17, 11:10 PM
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Madison Plains Sectional.....73 wrestlers, 51 advance to districts.
That would be 91 total matches wrestled. This number includes the 6 matches that took place for 5th/6th.
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Old 02-26-17, 06:58 AM
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Many times I am on the otherside of this discussion and believe just like your name, grade and record go on the bracket so should your age. I hate the hold back thing. I bet if we put the kids age next to his name we would have less holding back.

However, in this case posting that kids name was wrong. Like others said he had the courage to step on the mat and wrestle his bracket. He knows what is up but let him enjoy it as much as he can. Maybe it will inspire him over the summer. Every kid that stays on the mat and off the streets/couch is a better step to a better America.
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Old 02-26-17, 08:02 AM
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Amazing, I saw a kid with 35 wins one year and didn't qualify for districts
I don't know about the other sectionals this year, but there were a couple of wrestlers from the D1 Hamilton sectionals with 30 wins that didn't make it out. Tough sectionals, especially when some kids peak at the right time.
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Old 02-26-17, 08:27 AM
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The state of the sport at the high school level is in decline, has been for years and will continue. Attempts to fix the sport include the State Team format. The problem with wrestling is that the 'middle' or 'average' or multiple sport athlete is not participating. Look at your sectional brackets and I think that you will find a lot of examples of 30-40 plus win records vs an equal number of 20+ loss records.

Add the fact that every 'dual' is now pretty much a bracket tri-meet (in order to get the 2 matches for that 1 schedule point), every one day tournament is now a pool style or dual meet (so you can max the 5 match limit) and a lot of the big tournaments outside of the holiday ones are all hybrids with pool to bracket so you can get as close to 10 matches for the 3 points.

Not to mention that kids/parents/cousins/aunts/uncles and grandparents must sit in the bleachers for hours to watch their wrestler for possibly 30 minutes (5 matches at 6 minutes each) and pay $10-12 for that privilege? Most parents will support the entire team but realistically they are only there to watch their son (or daughter). Somebody once said to me (wish I remembered who so I could give that person credit) we (wrestlers) put in a whole season in a two day tournament compared to a 10 game football schedule.

Conference competition is largely non-existent anymore, I don't know if any conference has the 1 on 1 dual meet schedule we had in the 80's. The the 'haves' flock to big name tournaments, the 'wannabe's' flock to those tournaments to try and 'build the program' all the while having wrestlers go 0-5, 1-4 and quitting after one year. The 'have-nots' go to small tournaments that are run like biddy tourneys and the JV tournaments have a stigma of "ok... everyone who can't really get in the line up or can't win some matches... come here and we'll wrestle a bunch of matches together"

I wrestled in the 80's and had 62 career wins, was a state placer... I coach kids that get over 100 wins and never make it out of districts (or even sectionals). I love watching the wrestlers that put in the work and are phenomenal in the sport, watching two highly skilled/highly trained combatants fighting for a victory is why wrestling is the greatest high school sport ever. The question I have is how do we as coaches, referee's, parents, fans and former wrestlers get a 7th grader (or Freshman with 2 years Jr. High experience) who may be a decent athlete but not really trained in wrestling yet to put in 2 or 3 years of continued grinding to stick around for their Senior year with a shot at making it to State? Those are the athletes we are losing year after year...

Whizzer King said new singlets would get him exactly the same number of wrestlers as he has now but somewhere the NFHS concluded that the singlet is one reason kids don't want to wrestle. If MMA shorts and cool compression T's get me one or two more athletic kids in my practice room I'm all for it.

We aren't handing out participation ribbons to everyone... we are handing out sectional placements to anyone left standing.
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Old 02-26-17, 08:46 AM
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I don't know about the other sectionals this year, but there were a couple of wrestlers from the D1 Hamilton sectionals with 30 wins that didn't make it out. Tough sectionals, especially when some kids peak at the right time.


I had a kid with 30 plus wins that didn't make it out one year. That is a tough one. And it was, a very tough sectional. Tough on a senior.


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Old 02-26-17, 09:00 AM
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Wrestling is becoming an elitist sport (clubs and year round training)...kinda like men's rowing, Volleyball, gymnastics ... with only so many spots. Ahhh... I'm wasting my breath... Title 9...recycle post in 2018...
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Old 02-26-17, 09:56 AM
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I'd like to apologize for calling out a wrestler, it was not my point to call out a wrestler but to make the discussion on the state of wrestling at the sectional level!

I have sent a personal email to Barnesvilles coach addressing the wrestler and his family.
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Old 02-26-17, 09:58 AM
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I'd like to apologize for calling out a wrestler, it was not my point to call out a wrestler but to make the discussion on the state of wrestling at the sectional level!

I have sent a personal email to Barnesvilles coach addressing the wrestler and his family.
The people who know you know you're a class act and that wasn't your intent.
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Old 02-26-17, 10:22 AM
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Congrats to a kid that stuck it out. A lot of others in the sport might have hung up their shoes. If anything it shows that "anything can happen." Best of luck to everyone this coming weekend.


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