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Old 04-16-18, 06:19 PM
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That was just a fact , your interpreting it as whining is your own deal . yes i mentioned a few times because it is telling AND INDICATES HIDING SOMETHING . if you don't think so i couldn care less about that you are just about critiquing others posts not providing much of anything on your own But if that's what you are capable of saying something is stupid but not explaining why is your ceiling of discourse so be it .
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Old 04-16-18, 06:21 PM
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Pretty sure he explained why pretty clearly.
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Old 04-16-18, 06:21 PM
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You aren't supposed to do be anything , but youa ren't offering much here on what you actually think either which is OK , if you don't have any real personal feelings or ideas that's fine most people don't and all you9 have is critiquing others ? Go for it
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Old 04-16-18, 06:23 PM
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Sticking up for the big toe, he explains nothing really has no original thoughts , nice try Wrestling pin boy { How many career pins?}
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Old 04-16-18, 06:29 PM
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Harry getting rekt pretty badly ITT. Sad!
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Old 04-16-18, 06:29 PM
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Releasing tax returns allows the opposition to do one thing. What that one thing is depends upon which side the candidate is on.

If the candidate is a Republican, it allows Democrats to point out how "low" their tax rate is, and thus they don't "pay their fair share". It basically gives Democrats a populist talking point for about a week out of the campaign cycle. It's a stupid talking point because the Democrats never bother to specify how much would be considered a "fair share".

If the candidate is a Democrat, it allows Republicans to point out how little that candidate gives to charity. It basically allows the Republicans to chastise the Democrat candidate for not being caring enough. This is a stupid talking point because most liberals have the philosophy that government should be addressing the problems that most charities actually address.

If you expect there to be some actual evidence of some sort of moral or legal wrongdoing on a candidate's tax returns, though, you really don't know what is and is not shown on tax returns.

You can say it is a tradition, but it is a stupid tradition that should be done away with.
Here Harry. I thought he explained himself pretty well.
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Old 04-16-18, 06:31 PM
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Explained pretty clearly ,Pin Stud ? i just re-read what did he say how did he explain it exactly besides using the word 'Stupid " 5 times and inserting BOTH sides as a way of not even attempting to be forced to argue .


He's just an agitator , as in he has nothing so irritate , 'Art of War "
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Old 04-16-18, 06:36 PM
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he never explained why Trump didn't release his and why he was the only one in multi generations to do so . If you think it's coincidence so be it . The echo chamber sticks up for themselves I get that. i read that response , it's weak . He is making the argument as if it happens 50 percent of the time. MOST presidential candidates are pretty clean ethically until now , but even the evil Clintons' released theirs didn't they ?
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Old 04-16-18, 06:36 PM
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Basically it's not for transparency like you hope. It's for ammo against the other party and that's about it. For example, about the only thing I remember from a recent candidates tax returns is I gave more to charity than John Kerry. And that's because Republicans made a big deal about it.

I suggest reading a wee bit closer.
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Old 04-16-18, 06:41 PM
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it's only ammo if you don't release them , THATS THE FREAKING POINT , Holy crap man , It isn't about wanting to see them for regular people IN THIS CASE IT IS THE FACT THAT HE WON'T RELEASE THEM , not what we know or don't know about other candidates from years ago . One person hasn't released them that was my point not John Kerry
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Old 04-16-18, 06:47 PM
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Ford didn't either.

And you're totally wrong that they aren't used as ammo after they are released. That's why I remember the point about Kerry. The Republicans used it as ammo that year.

It was actually pretty smart not to release them. Wasnt able to use them against him and obviously didn't hurt him because he won.

But if you want to keep on hoping they matter, go ahead.
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Old 04-16-18, 06:51 PM
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YOU WIN TOO WIN BY PIN WRESTLING STUD good on ya
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Old 04-16-18, 06:52 PM
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I know you are modest but really how many pins in your scholastic career?
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Old 04-16-18, 06:55 PM
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One last question , if it's so much an AMMO issue , are you actually saying that trump's return contains fertile AMMO?
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Old 04-16-18, 06:57 PM
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I know you are modest but really how many pins in your scholastic career?
Lol. I actually wasn't much of a pinner. I just thought it was a clever name when I joined years ago to follow and post in the wrestling forum. "Winbypoints" didn't have as good of a ring.
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Old 04-16-18, 06:59 PM
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One last question , if it's so much an AMMO issue , are you actually saying that trump's return contains fertile AMMO?
As big toe said....it really doesn't matter. They would have found anything in there to be used as ammo. Or at least.try to.
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Old 04-16-18, 07:14 PM
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The joke is you conservatives on this forum who won't admit that most of D.C. is corrupt BUT you guys only point one way because you hate the left so much. The current administration is definitely a joke but you have your blinders on!
You have selective reading. I've been saying all along that Congress is a mess no matter if it's a Democrat or Republican. We need term limits. Too many of these jerks become millionaires being public servants.

And you still won't face the reality of how corrupt Hillary and Obama are. Obama was using the FBI as his SS and that's why the organization is so corrupt today.
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Old 04-16-18, 07:15 PM
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You aren't supposed to do be anything , but youa ren't offering much here on what you actually think either which is OK , if you don't have any real personal feelings or ideas that's fine most people don't and all you9 have is critiquing others ? Go for it
Is English not your first language? It seems when you get upset, you have a hard time with it.
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Old 04-16-18, 07:23 PM
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Look it up . he actually said this " IF I EVER RUN FOR PREZ , IT WILL BE AS A REPUBLICAN , THOSE PEOPLE WHO WATCH FOX NEWS BELEIVE ANYTHING . Thank you for reiterating a point I already made
You continue to show how uninformed you are. You're own Liberal Rag Snopes proved this was wrong:

1998-trump-people-quote/

By the way you still haven't dealt with any of the questions that should have been asked of Comey. Comey is a dirty as they get without being Hillary Clinton
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Old 04-16-18, 07:24 PM
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Yes I am a moron Toe you are the erudite one { Smahht} one, yes i am very upset , my typing has taken a turn for the worse and my command of the language takes a turn for the worse.

You see most aren't as gifted as you in the eloquence and clarity department , I apologize for having a hard time keeping up , I will be more diligent in the future especially when conversing with the likes of you who are clearly in a league of their own intellectually speaking .

Your agile mind is something we all are jealous of , your adept perceptions and wry observations regale us consistently . I am just proud that you actually found it in your heart to converse with the less fortunate [Me am aware of my 76 IQ SCORE} Please keep elevating this entire forum with your presence, a true treasure that so many of us basically just look to see what you think about things . god bless you man
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Old 04-16-18, 07:29 PM
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Comey is dirty ? OK why isn't he under investigation then ? Who is covering up for him. Uniformed ? By who ? FOX news ? I know you think it is state TV now because Trump endorses it and we know he is clean as a whistle . but come on man you are someone who is clearly 10000 percent brainwashed by the right ,
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Old 04-16-18, 07:39 PM
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Comey is dirty ? OK why isn't he under investigation then ? Who is covering up for him. Uniformed ? By who ? FOX news ? I know you think it is state TV now because Trump endorses it and we know he is clean as a whistle . but come on man you are someone who is clearly 10000 percent brainwashed by the right ,
You obviously didn't read through the questions. It must have contained too many big words for you. Comey is dirty, but the FBI and Special counsel won't go after him because they are all in the same little dingy. Read the questions Harry and you'll see the pattern. These scum bags have been busy making themselves rich at the expense of the American taxpayer and our Republic.
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Old 04-16-18, 07:44 PM
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You telling me about Big words and talking down to me ? Thanks for the belly laugh man I appreciate it , always really funny when people like you overestimate their intellectual firepower . Your musings are basically 100 percent emotional
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Old 04-16-18, 07:53 PM
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You obviously didn't read through the questions. It must have contained too many big words for you. Comey is dirty, but the FBI and Special counsel won't go after him because they are all in the same little dingy. Read the questions Harry and you'll see the pattern. These scum bags have been busy making themselves rich at the expense of the American taxpayer and our Republic.
This is rich. Comey/Mueller bad, Trump good. Comey/Mueller dirty, Trump clean.

It is like being in bizarro world where up is down.
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Old 04-16-18, 07:57 PM
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Yes I am a moron Toe you are the erudite one { Smahht} one, yes i am very upset , my typing has taken a turn for the worse and my command of the language takes a turn for the worse.

You see most aren't as gifted as you in the eloquence and clarity department , I apologize for having a hard time keeping up , I will be more diligent in the future especially when conversing with the likes of you who are clearly in a league of their own intellectually speaking .

Your agile mind is something we all are jealous of , your adept perceptions and wry observations regale us consistently . I am just proud that you actually found it in your heart to converse with the less fortunate [Me am aware of my 76 IQ SCORE} Please keep elevating this entire forum with your presence, a true treasure that so many of us basically just look to see what you think about things . god bless you man
I just figured that your first language might be Russian.
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Old 04-16-18, 10:43 PM
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You telling me about Big words and talking down to me ? Thanks for the belly laugh man I appreciate it , always really funny when people like you overestimate their intellectual firepower . Your musings are basically 100 percent emotional
Still haven’t read the questions and no explanation about Comey’s salary increases and dealings. So no comment about the Lockheed Martin position and the 17 private contracts while Hillary was Secretary of State soon followed by Lockheed Martin contributing to the Clinton Foundation ?!?!! These are facts not emotion. Oh the irony. The Dems were all over Dick Cheney and his connection to Halliburton but yawn at the Comey- Lockheed - Clinton connection.
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Old 04-16-18, 11:21 PM
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Still haven’t read the questions and no explanation about Comey’s salary increases and dealings. So no comment about the Lockheed Martin position and the 17 private contracts while Hillary was Secretary of State soon followed by Lockheed Martin contributing to the Clinton Foundation ?!?!! These are facts not emotion. Oh the irony. The Dems were all over Dick Cheney and his connection to Halliburton but yawn at the Comey- Lockheed - Clinton connection.
Since you seem to like Snopes:

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No proof means nothing is there, right?
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Old 04-16-18, 11:52 PM
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Since you seem to like Snopes:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/co...on-foundation/

No proof means nothing is there, right?
Haha I never said I like Snopes. I was throwing it out there because it’s a Liberal rag that even said the quote Trump supposedly made was not substantiated.

As for your link to Snopes that’s the whole issue. There is enough “conflict of interest” present that should have been investigated. But too many are in the same boat so they put together this witch hunt against Trump. I’m not 100% for Trump but what’s going on right now is total BS. The FBI turned a blind eye on illegal activity by Hillary and Obama while going after Trump because he may have had sex with a porn star.

Hillary sells our uranium to Russia but the FBI doesn’t have
time to investigate that or file charges ?!?!?

And Comey making millions for Lockheed is nothing. Yea right!
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Old 04-17-18, 08:54 AM
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Robert Mueller is a Republican
Harry, you keep throwing out that Mueller and Comey are "republicans" as if that matters one bit here. There are two reasons why being republican doesn't tell us anything about these men and whether they would try to undermine, spy on and lead a witch hunt against Trump:

First, there are plenty of "republicans" who loath Trump and would hurt him anyway they could. There is deep antipathy among some "conservatives" & republicans against the man. These never Trump folks are vicious and clearly both Mueller & Comey fall into this category.

Second, as longtime apparatchiks working lucratively in the Federal Bureaucracy, Comey & Mueller owe their loyalty to a higher cause then the republican party. That cause is the deep state. They will do whatever is necessary to protect the bureaucracy. Their motivation may be pure self interest as the Deep State is their financial gravy train or it may be altruistic where they believe that the bureaucracy, removed from the day to day squabbles of politics can better serve our interest. Either way Trump is a threat to the Deep State and must be neutralized.

In fact I would hazard to guess that the only way being "republican" matters is that in the eyes of the Deep State Mueller & Comey are the perfect agents to go after Trump because people not looking to closely will assume they are unbiased because they are "republicans".
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Oh and before folks slam my post about a "Deep State" with cackling emojis as if such a belief is loony tunes, if you would prefer we could call it the "Deep Bureaucracy" (DB) instead. And as I posted on another thread the DB can be described as:

A vast, unaccountable, well fed, obese and parasitical institution that resembles a living organism in it's need to continually grow, propagate, dominate it's environment and defend itself by any means necessary.
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