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View Poll Results: Which weight class would you eliminate?
106 12 23.08%
113 1 1.92%
120 3 5.77%
126 0 0%
132 5 9.62%
138 2 3.85%
145 2 3.85%
152 1 1.92%
160 3 5.77%
170 1 1.92%
182 4 7.69%
195 7 13.46%
220 17 32.69%
285 9 17.31%
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Old 01-05-18, 12:55 PM
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Reducing the number of weights classes?

Thoughts on reducing the number of weight classes from 14 to 12 in high school? Or suggestions?
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Old 01-05-18, 12:59 PM
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Wouldn’t eliminate just two weight classes. Combine two weight classes into one. 132 and 138 should combine to form 135. 195 and 220 should combine to form 215, and bump 182 up to 189.
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Old 01-05-18, 01:17 PM
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Possible new weight classes:

106
113
120
126
135
145
152
160
170
189
215
285

Thoughts?
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Old 01-05-18, 01:18 PM
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Old 01-05-18, 01:26 PM
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This issue is dead from a message board perspective. I actually want to start a new movement. There are not enough forfeits in college and freestyle wrestling. With 14 classes in high school, I propose we move to 18 in college and 22 in senior freestyle. That way, we can potentially enjoy forfeitfests at all levels of wrestling.
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Old 01-05-18, 01:28 PM
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When they changed the weights from 103 to 106 like 5+ years ago any idea if there was talk about decreasing?
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Old 01-05-18, 01:32 PM
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When they changed the weights from 103 to 106 like 5+ years ago any idea if there was talk about decreasing?
Why? Why do you want to know? To be honest, I hate this thread every time someone starts it.
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Old 01-05-18, 01:51 PM
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I've never been a fan of reducing the opportunity for kids to participate, especially in The-World's-Greatest-Sport-in-The-World.

That being said. I was an early supporter of the last round of changes they made (reducing the middles and adding an upper). However, I will now honestly say that (thus far), I have been disappointed with the results. I don't think 195 and 220 are filling out and developing the way that I had hoped.

The top tier guys at these weights are fine. Your Stencils, Darmstadts, Campbells, Balls, McClouds are great. Once you get out of the top tier in most Districts, I think things get pretty mediocre pretty fast. I think things have thinned out and these weights just aren't super competitive. I know evolution takes time, and I firmly believe that 'nature abhors a vacuum". However, I will say that to date, I've been disappointed.
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Old 01-05-18, 01:52 PM
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Because I have run two tournaments this year and none of the weights are ever filled. We might fill one weight class and that was because we had extras. In almost 10 years we have never filled all 14 weights. Last dual tournament I was in, one team had all of them filled. It is a legitimate question. It would be interesting to know how many teams in the state actually filled all of them. I don't expect them to change, but am curious what others thought and/or experiences.
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Old 01-05-18, 02:03 PM
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The schools in my area are primarily D2, and the overwhelming majority of the schools have full line ups. The only time there is a FF is at 106 if there are injuries. Last night the dual I was at had 14 JV matches.....so I am on the side of having more kids compete...


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Old 01-05-18, 02:06 PM
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105,115,125,135,145,155,165,175,185,200,225,HVW. Reduces to 12 but I think the 10 lbs difference is big enough that guys will work up to a weight class rather than deopping 5-6 lbs to get to the lower weight. (Think 126-120) I've always thought this would promote healthy exercise but I suppose kids who cut big always will. Just my thoughts
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Old 01-05-18, 02:16 PM
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What area are you in Tartan? Cbus here.
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Old 01-05-18, 02:16 PM
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Good point Funk
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Old 01-05-18, 03:28 PM
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Because I have run two tournaments this year and none of the weights are ever filled. We might fill one weight class and that was because we had extras. In almost 10 years we have never filled all 14 weights. Last dual tournament I was in, one team had all of them filled. It is a legitimate question. It would be interesting to know how many teams in the state actually filled all of them. I don't expect them to change, but am curious what others thought and/or experiences.
What do you mean by filled? If you have 10 teams you only need 6 kids, do a round robin, and everyone gets five matches. Maybe changing the style of your team tournament would help maximize the kids that are there. Especially if you are D2 or D3 schools.

In the last three years I have seen bigger brackets at 106 than 113. Not sure why. My son is a 113 this year and has less matches than at 106 the previous yrs. Medina had more 106 than 113 this year.

Our team has 36 wrestlers and 8 of them can be 106lbers if they want.
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Old 01-05-18, 03:46 PM
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anything over 160 always seems a little suspect.alot of floppin around and total mismacthes.seems to be the weights where one kid looks like timid 3rd grader with a meatball diet vs the schools brutus beefcake.and always ends with brutus semi flexin before hand raisin.in 19 seconds.hard to watch some of it.
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Old 01-05-18, 03:49 PM
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Every school and situation plays out different year in and year out.

is there more kids in the middle yes, but some years a school and/or area may have more light weights 126 and below and another more upper weights 182 and above. Yes, ideally we would like all weights to be filled with depth every year at all schools.

reducing the number of weight classes reduce the opportunity and while not everyone needs a ribbon for a sport that struggles with numbers reducing spots on a team whether Varsity, JV or Middle School is not good.
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Old 01-05-18, 03:49 PM
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Reducing the number of weights classes?

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What area are you in Tartan? Cbus here.


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Old 01-05-18, 04:21 PM
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105,115,125,135,145,155,165,175,185,200,225,HVW. Reduces to 12 but I think the 10 lbs difference is big enough that guys will work up to a weight class rather than deopping 5-6 lbs to get to the lower weight. (Think 126-120) I've always thought this would promote healthy exercise but I suppose kids who cut big always will. Just my thoughts
If I were forced to go to 12 weight classes across 4 grades in HS, it would be:
Back in the day, - it was 13 wrestlers, but no freshman. So adjust like this:
98 Eliminate
105 108
112 115
119 122
126 130
132 136
138 143
145 150
155 160
167 172
175 185
185 212
hvy Hvwght


..and I could poke holes in this. Just off the top of my head. It could be better. We were pretty much 2-3 deep at every weight except hvwght and 185 back then. Anyone not wrestling varsity at 185 or Hvywght just decided to quit after the holidays.
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Old 01-05-18, 04:28 PM
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Old 01-05-18, 04:32 PM
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If I were forced to go to 12 weight classes across 4 grades in HS, it would be:
Back in the day, - it was 13 wrestlers, but no freshman. So adjust like this:
98 Eliminate
105 108
112 115
119 122
126 130
132 136
138 143
145 150
155 160
167 172
175 185
185 212
hvy Hvwght


..and I could poke holes in this. Just off the top of my head. It could be better. We were pretty much 2-3 deep at every weight except hvwght and 185 back then. Anyone not wrestling varsity at 185 or Hvywght just decided to quit after the holidays.
Let's let 8th graders compete and start at 98 and go up ten from there LOL. It's hard to come up with something like this because it will inadvertently affect one or the other(light,heavy) middle weights seem to stay about the same numbers. Good input
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Old 01-05-18, 05:25 PM
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If I were forced to go to 12 weight classes across 4 grades in HS, it would be:
Back in the day, - it was 13 wrestlers, but no freshman. So adjust like this:
98 Eliminate
105 108
112 115
119 122
126 130
132 136
138 143
145 150
155 160
167 172
175 185
185 212
hvy Hvwght


..and I could poke holes in this. Just off the top of my head. It could be better. We were pretty much 2-3 deep at every weight except hvwght and 185 back then. Anyone not wrestling varsity at 185 or Hvywght just decided to quit after the holidays.
I wonder why other sports field full and healthy JV programs? I guess it is varsity or bust in wrestling.
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Old 01-05-18, 07:02 PM
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I wonder why other sports field full and healthy JV programs? I guess it is varsity or bust in wrestling.


Overall sports participation is down, FB coaches r discouraging kids from wrestling and wrestling practices r not fun.....


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Old 01-05-18, 07:14 PM
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Old 01-05-18, 09:00 PM
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There was proposal at the NFHS level to reduce weight classes when the weight class change was implemented. Personally, I think one weight class - at least - needs to go, given the general inability to field full lineups. Either 13 or 11 if you ask me - I'm an advocate for an odd number to minimize the likelihood of going beyond "matches won" in a tie dual.

I agree with ProV1 re: JV programs and/or the treatment of them in wrestling. It's a real issue. Football, basketball, soccer -- you have the progression from JV to varsity ... wrestling, JV is an afterthought and/or has a stigma attached to it.
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Old 01-05-18, 09:07 PM
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Overall sports participation is down, FB coaches r discouraging kids from wrestling and wrestling practices r not fun.....


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Yeah and football practices are a blast. The whole argument is ridiculous. The sport needs to cut at least 2 weight classes. The uppers are empty and the lowers are either empty or filled with a kid that has no business on varsity and is there because he is the only kid that can make the weight. I don't care about the anecdotal county that fills all 14. I don't care about the dad that has a marginally skilled 103 pound freshman who thinks he deserves a varsity spot. The sport is not well served by an average line up of 10 varsity wrestlers. Argue your self serving points all you want.
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I wonder why other sports field full and healthy JV programs? I guess it is varsity or bust in wrestling.
After 43 years of coaching there is only one reason - Wrestling is just to hard to be a JV. Nobody wants to work that hard to be a JV.
If you cut weight classes you will be cutting numbers. My team has 16 wrestlers and fill all weights. If you go to 12 weights I will have 13 wrestlers.
Just my thoughts.
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Old 01-05-18, 10:16 PM
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After 43 years of coaching there is only one reason - Wrestling is just to hard to be a JV. Nobody wants to work that hard to be a JV.
If you cut weight classes you will be cutting numbers. My team has 16 wrestlers and fill all weights. If you go to 12 weights I will have 13 wrestlers.
Just my thoughts.
Thank you for your post as it is reflective of how us old schoolers view the sport. Please consider....

Wrestling is very hard. As such, kids need to get some value out of the sport if they are not varsity ready. JV wrestling sucks today. Either I get a match every 3 weeks before the varsity dual or I get shipped to some crap tourney with 4 others while all my varsity buddies hit Medina or Brecksville. How can the sport improve the JV experience?

It is awesome that you can turn 16 wrestlers into a varsity caliber team. The facts are the vast majority of programs cannot. As such, most programs field incomplete teams and the result is not positive for the sport, overall.

Hopefully, folks can look at the big picture and not just focus on their own situation.
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Old 01-05-18, 10:28 PM
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Not directly related to the weigh classes issue but to the sport's health overall, I can offer this.
My grandson decided to play ice hockey. He had been around wrestling mats and his father and uncle had both been wrestlers. However, for whatever reason, he opted for hockey.
Personally I was disappointed BUT now I understand it. Practices are FUN. There is no weigh cutting. There are no skin issues. You are not locked in a foul smelling room. You can enjoy the holidays. The wins or losses are by the whole team, not on your own, and so on.
Best of all for a parent, the game is over and you are out of the arena in less than 1 1/2 hours. No sitting in a gym for 10-to 12 hours for a few minutes of "action" by your child.
I see the appeal.
The rules makers on the national level seem to be clueless as to the problems of the sport. I have no idea how to fix this.

On another note, I show this. I hope the link works because the photos are from 1980. Look at the size of the crowds and more importantly how involved the fans are. Where have we gone wrong??

http://media.news-herald.com/2018/01...jan-12-1980/#2
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Old 01-05-18, 10:38 PM
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Yeah and football practices are a blast. The whole argument is ridiculous. The sport needs to cut at least 2 weight classes. The uppers are empty and the lowers are either empty or filled with a kid that has no business on varsity and is there because he is the only kid that can make the weight. I don't care about the anecdotal county that fills all 14. I don't care about the dad that has a marginally skilled 103 pound freshman who thinks he deserves a varsity spot. The sport is not well served by an average line up of 10 varsity wrestlers. Argue your self serving points all you want.


Wow, somebody forgot their happy pills.....someone posted about numbers being down I posted some reasons why....the area Iím from fills complete lineups in multiple counties....sorry your area does not appreciate the sport. To discourage kids from participating in a sport that promotes hard work and self discipline to fulfill an adults self interest of being entertained is a travesty.


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Old 01-05-18, 10:44 PM
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Not directly related to the weigh classes issue but to the sport's health overall, I can offer this.
My grandson decided to play ice hockey. He had been around wrestling mats and his father and uncle had both been wrestlers. However, for whatever reason, he opted for hockey.
Personally I was disappointed BUT now I understand it. Practices are FUN. There is no weigh cutting. There are no skin issues. You are not locked in a foul smelling room. You can enjoy the holidays. The wins or losses are by the whole team, not on your own, and so on.
Best of all for a parent, the game is over and you are out of the arena in less than 1 1/2 hours. No sitting in a gym for 10-to 12 hours for a few minutes of "action" by your child.
I see the appeal.
The rules makers on the national level seem to be clueless as to the problems of the sport. I have no idea how to fix this.

On another note, I show this. I hope the link works because the photos are from 1980. Look at the size of the crowds and more importantly how involved the fans are. Where have we gone wrong??

http://media.news-herald.com/2018/01...jan-12-1980/#2
Agreed. My guess is that ice hockey was not an option 30 years ago. If so, might the result be the same as it is today? The reality is that there are lots more options today and wrestling needs to become more appealing to compete. This may require change. This sport hates change.
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