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Old 10-10-17, 11:35 AM
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Enrollment Numbers

Since there was a discussion about it during the start of the school year, here are the enrollment numbers of the GCL High Schools from last year and this year.

Elder:
2016-2017: 850
2017-2018: 796

LaSalle:
2016-2017: 637
2017-2018: 624

Moeller:
2016-2017: 886
2017-2018: 881

St. Xavier:
2016-2017: 1571
2017-2018: 1536

Out of curiosity, I pulled Seton's numbers as well.
Seton:
2016-2017: 464
2017-2018: 502

These numbers are from the archdioceses website.
Elder: http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/school-info/?id=706
LaSalle: http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/school-info/?id=718
Moeller: http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/school-info/?id=724
St. Xavier: http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/school-info/?id=808
Seton: http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/school-info/?id=746
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Old 10-10-17, 12:12 PM
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Wow, Elder has dipped down into the 700s?? Kinda sad. Seton's numbers will likely continue to rise with the McAuley Mercy merger.
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Old 10-10-17, 12:41 PM
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Provided Elder made enough necessary adjustments (accepting vouchers being one), they should be back above 800 next year. Wasn't it this year's incoming class that was below 200?
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Old 10-10-17, 01:03 PM
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Wow, Elder has dipped down into the 700s?? Kinda sad. Seton's numbers will likely continue to rise with the McAuley Mercy merger.
I think those numbers exclude Frosh classes.
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Old 10-10-17, 01:12 PM
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Provided Elder made enough necessary adjustments (accepting vouchers being one), they should be back above 800 next year. Wasn't it this year's incoming class that was below 200?
Yeah, that should get them back up. I'm not certain how LS dropped, thought they had 200+ Freshmen
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Old 10-10-17, 01:17 PM
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Provided Elder made enough necessary adjustments (accepting vouchers being one), they should be back above 800 next year. Wasn't it this year's incoming class that was below 200?
It was between 170 and 180. I think that is the first class they've ever had below 200. They have to do something to get the numbers back up. Next year's class will probably be low too with small classes at a few of their bigger feeders like Victory.
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Old 10-10-17, 01:41 PM
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Isn't next year's class like the 100th class or something like that? I would have thought there would have been a significant increase for something like that. I was always under the impression next year's class was strong (numbers wise) as they had so many good players. I'll be the first to admit I have no clue what the actual enrollment numbers suggest.

If next year's class doesn't produce better results, what class behind them is going to do it?
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Old 10-10-17, 01:45 PM
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Victory was used as an example, their class size on the whole isn't small but their numbers for boys is. Something like 50-60 kids, but only 15 boys or so.
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Old 10-10-17, 02:09 PM
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Isn't next year's class like the 100th class or something like that? I would have thought there would have been a significant increase for something like that. I was always under the impression next year's class was strong (numbers wise) as they had so many good players. I'll be the first to admit I have no clue what the actual enrollment numbers suggest.

If next year's class doesn't produce better results, what class behind them is going to do it?
Next year's class is very strong from an athletic standpoint. Enrollment wise though I've always been told it would likely be on the smaller side. Maybe some of the changes made that adselder mentioned will offset that.
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Old 10-10-17, 02:45 PM
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This discussion brings up an interesting question, if a kid is a good athlete, good student, has ties to both X and Elder and a voucher is not in play, what would be the best argument for him to go to Elder over X?
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Old 10-10-17, 03:06 PM
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This discussion brings up an interesting question, if a kid is a good athlete, good student, has ties to both X and Elder and a voucher is not in play, what would be the best argument for him to go to Elder over X?
Not getting lost in the crowd of 1500 students? Shorter commute?
If an Honors Program student the academics would be on par at either school, if not the average student likely still has an edge academically at X.

Couple more:
Elder is cheaper
Not sure how X handles their financial aid, but Elder offers more than most.

It still comes down to each individual case though.
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Old 10-10-17, 06:52 PM
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ALL of these west-side feeder schools (including Visi) are shrinking.

Elder MUST attract a significant number of non-traditional students in order to achieve 200+ boys per class. Find another way or Elder will be DII in 5 years.

I am not trying to be an alarmist...this is the reality.
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Old 10-10-17, 07:17 PM
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Where did everyone go if the catholic school numbers are down? We must be ready for Oak Hills to split into two schools and Taylor to be division 1.

Is this a westside problem or national problem? Is the westside too old? No younger families moving in? Younger families moving out? Younger people not having kids?

Possibly, the old saying westsiders donít leave is no longer true.
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Old 10-10-17, 08:03 PM
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Where did everyone go if the catholic school numbers are down? We must be ready for Oak Hills to split into two schools and Taylor to be division 1.

Is this a westside problem or national problem? Is the westside too old? No younger families moving in? Younger families moving out? Younger people not having kids?

Possibly, the old saying westsiders donít leave is no longer true.
gen Y and Millenials are not having kids like the baby boomer and gen X generations did.....everything too expensive due to years of Dems in office and government handouts.......Trump trying to fix, being an outsider, but the two party system is so screwed up he's never gonna get anything done. Core curriculum has turned these two generations into socialists....not only are the catholic schools screwed, but so is the country.
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Old 10-10-17, 08:20 PM
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A lot of that may be true, but I think this is more of a westside problem. The westside is mostly unattractive to younger families. A larger number of the ones that are staying are choosing public schools. No younger families are moving into Delhi, Covedale, Westwood, Price Hill, Cheviot, and soon Bridgetown. The Cleves area in Miami Hts is the only thing holding the westside together at all. Now many of those families are choosing the 3 Rivers and Taylor. It is not a good sign for Elder unless a long term plan is put together.

Think of some of your friends and family who have recently moved or looking. Are any of them moving to the areas I mentioned above? They are probably moving to Cleves, St. Ignatius area, Harrison, Northern Kentucky, Indiana.

Itís a huge problem for Elder. Unfortunately for Elder, we are seen as not very accepting of outsiders. Itís a perception that Elder needs changed immediately if we want to be around years from now.
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Old 10-11-17, 09:24 AM
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Uphill battle for Elder. Much of what ElderHSfan02 says above about the migration from the traditional westside is spot on. There has truly been very little investment in new housing in Delhi, Covedale, and Price Hill. Younger families are not buying the starter homes in Covedale anymore. They're going straight to the better areas mentioned above. It is a huge issue.

I believe the other two huge issues are location and cost. At the end of the day, Elder is sitting in the middle of a declining neighborhood that likely won't see a revival. It becomes near impossible to attract kids from outside the westside, and becomes harder every year to keep the westside kids. While Elder is safe, thoughts of safety likely go through every parents minds at one point or another.

Cost - it's simply too expensive. Families will continue to shop for deals at other Catholic schools, or continue to move out seeking decent, free education. At $12k per year, it's no longer just a sacrifice, it's life altering for many families.

People have mentioned D2 before, and they get killed on this board...but it's a very real possibility. IMO, it's inevitable that Elder has to relocate the school eventually (10-15 years).

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Old 10-11-17, 09:37 AM
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Didn't know where to put this, somewhat fit in here.
https://tedtalksports.com/2017/10/10...hool-panthers/
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Old 10-11-17, 12:43 PM
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Now many of those families are choosing the 3 Rivers and Taylor.
Likely Three Rivers for my son until he gets to La Salle.
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Old 10-11-17, 12:45 PM
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Trump trying to fix, being an outsider, but the two party system is so screwed up he's never gonna get anything done. Core curriculum has turned these two generations into socialists....not only are the catholic schools screwed, but so is the country.
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Old 10-11-17, 01:23 PM
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Where did everyone go if the catholic school numbers are down? We must be ready for Oak Hills to split into two schools and Taylor to be division 1.

Is this a westside problem or national problem? Is the westside too old? No younger families moving in? Younger families moving out? Younger people not having kids?

Possibly, the old saying westsiders don’t leave is no longer true.
Oak Hills will not split into two schools. Their enrollment has actually been declining. Even their state academic ratings have dropped off in recent years. I don't think Taylor's enrollment is really increasing either. We live in Three Rivers and I know a lot of families who currently send their kids there for grade school who plan on sending them to Elder for high school. I think St Joe's not having a school is a big factor in that. There are over 900 families who belong to the parish but no catholic grade school all that close, Visitation being the closest. The enrollment issues are likely a combination of all the factors you have mentioned along with cost. The neighborhood isn't great but its not much worse than where any of the other GCL schools are located, plus Elder's facilities blow schools like LaSalle's out of the water. That is what they need to promote.

Did anyone else notice Elder's Open House signs? It was in small print and I may have read it wrong but I think it said something about each kid getting an automatic $1000 scholarship if they go to the open house and ultimately decide to attend Elder.
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Old 10-11-17, 01:47 PM
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I think St Joe's not having a school is a big factor in that. There are over 900 families who belong to the parish but no catholic grade school all that close, Visitation being the closest.
This. Visitation should offer parishioner tuition to St. Joe's families.
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Old 10-11-17, 01:56 PM
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I don't think Taylor's enrollment is really increasing either. We live in Three Rivers and I know a lot of families who currently send their kids there for grade school who plan on sending them to Elder for high school.
I looked into that a few years ago and found that over a 10 year period (I think it was 2003-2013), enrollment across the Three Rivers District decreased.

Things could be different now that that monstrous boondoggle on US 50 was built.
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Old 10-11-17, 02:11 PM
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This. Visitation should offer parishioner tuition to St. Joe's families.
I think there was a deal the Archdiocese had in place for St Joe's parishioners. The problem was it was at St Al's in Saylor Park and nobody was really interested in sending their kids there. Due to lack of interest I think they scrapped the deal a couple of years ago. Nothing against St Al's but they don't have the facilities or capacity to be an attractive option to most of the St Joe's families. They really should have built a school there once they acquired the old Taylor property. I think it would have immediately been one of the biggest grade schools on the west side. They have a great setting and campus. I remember at one point a few years ago they did some kind of an informal survey and came up with an estimate of 500-600 students right off the bat if they had opened a school. Sadly the Archdiocese has no interest in opening anymore schools.
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Old 10-11-17, 02:17 PM
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I looked into that a few years ago and found that over a 10 year period (I think it was 2003-2013), enrollment across the Three Rivers District decreased.

Things could be different now that that monstrous boondoggle on US 50 was built.
That's crazy that it actually decreased over that period with all the new subdivisions that are springing up. I wonder if they see a sizeable dropoff from grade school enrollment to high school with so many families sending their kids to catholic high schools.
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Seems appropriate here. Source: National Center for Educational Statistics https://nces.ed.gov/

Note that is elementary and secondary enrollment.
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Old 10-11-17, 02:41 PM
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I believe the other two huge issues are location and cost. At the end of the day, Elder is sitting in the middle of a declining neighborhood that likely won't see a revival.
Somehow my response to this erroneous statement got deleted. I would like to know why. Elder is, in fact located in an up and coming neighborhood. Anyone who knows anything about the neighborhood would know this. Sure it has a way to go, but there are huge investments being made and plans for more. Price Hill Will, Cincinnati Port Authority, Sister of Charity and many private entities are pumping development funds into both East and West Price Hill.

Some people are stubbornly fixated on a thirty year old image of Price Hill.
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Old 10-11-17, 03:01 PM
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That may be true...but that argument is kind of irrelevant to enrollment at Elder.

Alums care abut Elder, not as much as what's going on in Price Hill. I know there are some very passionate about Price Hill, but it's a small percentage.

Again, before you jump down my throat, I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't think it much impacts Elder.
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Old 10-11-17, 03:12 PM
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I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't think it much impacts Elder.
That is probably true at this point, however, I believe that any negative consideration based on locale is being neutralized and may, in the not so distant future, become a positive consideration.

The big problems with Elder, as I stated in another thread (and caught hell for) are: 1) declining commitment to practicing the Catholic faith, 2) the limited resources for students with IEPs, 3) the shift of populations to Southeastern Indiana, 4) the development department at Elder being caught snoozing.

I have heard that Elder learned a lesson last year and has redoubled its efforts in recruiting for next year's freshmen.
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Old 10-11-17, 03:17 PM
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That is probably true at this point, however, I believe that any negative consideration based on locale is being neutralized and may, in the not so distant future, become a positive consideration.

The big problems with Elder, as I stated in another thread (and caught hell for) are: 1) declining commitment to practicing the Catholic faith, 2) the limited resources for students with IEPs, 3) the shift of populations to Southeastern Indiana, 4) the development department at Elder being caught snoozing.

I have heard that Elder learned a lesson last year and has redoubled its efforts in recruiting for next year's freshmen.
One of my contentions is that they're behind the 8 ball because of MANY factors, with your 4 areas being part of other things people have listed. It's never just one thing. People are more focused on their thing being "right" versus opening up their thoughts to many things that could be incrementally improved.
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Old 10-11-17, 04:41 PM
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I think there was a deal the Archdiocese had in place for St Joe's parishioners. The problem was it was at St Al's in Saylor Park and nobody was really interested in sending their kids there. Due to lack of interest I think they scrapped the deal a couple of years ago. Nothing against St Al's but they don't have the facilities or capacity to be an attractive option to most of the St Joe's families. They really should have built a school there once they acquired the old Taylor property. I think it would have immediately been one of the biggest grade schools on the west side. They have a great setting and campus. I remember at one point a few years ago they did some kind of an informal survey and came up with an estimate of 500-600 students right off the bat if they had opened a school. Sadly the Archdiocese has no interest in opening anymore schools.
I heard about that. I never ever considered it. Visi is closer and a better option, so it sounds like the diocese was trying to pump up St. Alís Ohio rather than serve St. Joeís kids.
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