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Old 10-07-17, 02:50 PM
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With GCL teams with potential records of 4-6 and 5-5 making the playoffs, you can't discount warriorblue's point.

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Old 10-07-17, 03:11 PM
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Point is now the topic is on the forefront. IMO a GCL SOUTH team should never talk about the subject of changing the format to get into the playoffs.
It's been on the forefront prior to this year. Not sure what you're insinuating with the GCL South comment but I can assure you this isn't the first time this came up. Every time a team like Walnut Hills or Woodward goes 10-0 and gets in the playoffs with a strong team being left out it gets brought up.
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Old 10-07-17, 03:16 PM
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Once you eliminate the freedom of association from the OHSAA you might as well bury the organization. You simply can't compel schools to schedule you.
Some may be in favor of that.
But for the most part I agree with you lotr. Unless the playoffs expand and go to a district format like they have in Kentucky or let everyone in like Indiana it won't change. I thought the GMC moving to 8-games in conference would hurt them more, but with the GCLS having such brutal schedules, along with teams like Centerville and Northmont moving out of the region (Springboro and Lebanon are down as well), it's the perfect storm to get 5 GMC teams in.

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As an aside nice win last night. Elder & X won by margins that look startling to those of us outside the GCLS.
If you ask any GCLS fan (except maybe ReLoad), I think both scores were surprising as well.
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Old 10-07-17, 09:15 PM
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Week 7 - Sat
Lakewood St. Edward (7-0) def. Indy Cathedral (3-5), 38-10
Cleveland St. Ignatius (7-0) def. Glenoak (2-5), 34-20
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Old 10-08-17, 08:02 AM
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Week 8
Lakota West (1-6) hosts Middletown (0-7)
Oak Hills (0-7) hosts Sycamore (5-2)
Gahanna Lincoln (4-3) hosts Lancaster (4-3)
Lakewood St. Edward (7-0) hosts Canada Prep (ON) (0-5) Sat
Cleveland St. Ignatius (7-0) vs. Moeller (3-4) at Otterbein University
St. Xavier (7-0) hosts Football North (via Clarkson Secondary School) (2-4)
Moeller (3-4) vs. Cleveland St. Ignatius (7-0) at Otterbein University
Winton Woods (7-0) hosts Elder (4-3)
International School of Broward (1-3) is off
LaSalle (5-2) visits St. Vincent-St. Mary (5-2)

Hopefully the Panthers receive some L2 help this week from LW and GL.
Maxpreps has Broward at 2-5 (it includes Broward’s first two games while Joe Eitel does not) and lists their Village Academy game as a 6-0 forfeit win, while Joe Eitel has Broward at 1-3 and lists their game against VA as “Canceled” and not counting for OHSAA purposes. I go with Joe Eitel.
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Old 10-08-17, 11:32 AM
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Love the fact that OH is a close team to play every year and is a neighborhood "rivalry" but at some point Elder needs to consider not playing these type of teams (ISB included) just for the sake of L2 points. If the GMC is purposely trying to make the schedule so they can potentially have more GMC teams in the playoffs than we should too by making sure we find teams that can muster at least a handful of wins a year. Good thing about the GCL is that we can flex our schedule as needed so we can accommodate other teams that would be willing to play Elder.

Is Elder in a contract with OH for a set number of years after this year?
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Old 10-08-17, 11:46 AM
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Love the fact that OH is a close team to play every year and is a neighborhood "rivalry" but at some point Elder needs to consider not playing these type of teams (ISB included) just for the sake of L2 points. If the GMC is purposely trying to make the schedule so they can potentially have more GMC teams in the playoffs than we should too by making sure we find teams that can muster at least a handful of wins a year. Good thing about the GCL is that we can flex our schedule as needed so we can accommodate other teams that would be willing to play Elder.

Is Elder in a contract with OH for a set number of years after this year?
I thought the contracts with OH and WW were expiring after this yr.
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Old 10-08-17, 11:59 AM
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I know this is a bit off topic, but X, LaSalle, LSE, and WW will be home games next year; if they can snag a fifth from an American team (maybe from IN or KY), you have to think they could make a trip to The Pit very attractive for a team from north of the border, hopefully one of the better ones. Simply outbid X, Moe, or whomever and steal their Canadian game.
I may be wrong, but I believe there is a quirk in the Harbin system whereby a team that beats a team that goes 0-10 would be better off pointswise if they had played only nine games and had not played the team that went winless. If this is so: Go Oak Hills, Beat Someone (realistically, the Middies)!
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Old 10-08-17, 12:33 PM
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I know this is a bit off topic, but X, LaSalle, LSE, and WW will be home games next year; if they can snag a fifth from an American team (maybe from IN or KY), you have to think they could make a trip to The Pit very attractive for a team from north of the border, hopefully one of the better ones. Simply outbid X, Moe, or whomever and steal their Canadian game.
I may be wrong, but I believe there is a quirk in the Harbin system whereby a team that beats a team that goes 0-10 would be better off pointswise if they had played only nine games and had not played the team that went winless. If this is so: Go Oak Hills, Beat Someone (realistically, the Middies)!
Lincoln should be a home game as well.
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Old 10-08-17, 08:14 PM
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I know this is a bit off topic, but X, LaSalle, LSE, and WW will be home games next year; if they can snag a fifth from an American team (maybe from IN or KY), you have to think they could make a trip to The Pit very attractive for a team from north of the border, hopefully one of the better ones. Simply outbid X, Moe, or whomever and steal their Canadian game.
I may be wrong, but I believe there is a quirk in the Harbin system whereby a team that beats a team that goes 0-10 would be better off pointswise if they had played only nine games and had not played the team that went winless. If this is so: Go Oak Hills, Beat Someone (realistically, the Middies)!
I think this myth was debunked a few seasons ago. For instance, the year Elder went 4-5 and finished 9th or 10th in the region, if they had played a 10th game to get to 5-5 even against an 0-10 team it likely would have put them in the playoffs. You still get L1 points for beating said 0-10 team, but the L2 divisor drops by 10 (instead of 100 if all 10 opponents have 10 games, the divisor would be 90).
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Old 10-08-17, 11:09 PM
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I think this myth was debunked a few seasons ago. For instance, the year Elder went 4-5 and finished 9th or 10th in the region, if they had played a 10th game to get to 5-5 even against an 0-10 team it likely would have put them in the playoffs. You still get L1 points for beating said 0-10 team, but the L2 divisor drops by 10 (instead of 100 if all 10 opponents have 10 games, the divisor would be 90).
Ah, so I am the victim of false information. Thanks for the info!
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Old 10-09-17, 10:43 AM
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I'm wondering if Mason loses to LE and LE loses to Sycamore, would Elder likely avoid the #8 seed if they were to get in at 5-5? I still think Elder has a good chance to beat WW and LS which could bump then way up but I'm just wondering for worst case scenario. Definitely don't wanna visit X in the first round.
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Old 10-09-17, 11:37 AM
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If Elder makes it in at 5-5 they will almost certainly be the 8th seed. It is more likely they're out at 5-5 though.
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Old 10-09-17, 11:56 AM
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If Elder makes it in at 5-5 they will almost certainly be the 8th seed. It is more likely they're out at 5-5 though.
OK, but would 6-4 almost certainly bump Elder up anywhere above the #8? Milford still has Anderson and West Clermont and then the GMC final 3 weeks could be all over the place.
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Old 10-10-17, 08:58 PM
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I think this myth was debunked a few seasons ago. For instance, the year Elder went 4-5 and finished 9th or 10th in the region, if they had played a 10th game to get to 5-5 even against an 0-10 team it likely would have put them in the playoffs. You still get L1 points for beating said 0-10 team, but the L2 divisor drops by 10 (instead of 100 if all 10 opponents have 10 games, the divisor would be 90).
Last year, Elder finished 6-4. ISB finished their season 0-9. Elder received 3.5 Level 1 points for beating a D7 team and 0 Level 2 points from ISB. Elder's final Harbin average was 21.0000.

Subtracting 3.5 L1 points, reducing Elder's L1 divisor to 9 and reducing Elder's L2 divisor by 9 games, Elder's final Harbin average would have increased to 22.8103 which would have moved the Panthers to #3 in Region 4.
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Old 10-11-17, 07:11 AM
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Even at 5-4 they would have finished higher than they did at 6-4? I didn't do the math I just remember this coming up at one point several years ago.
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Old 10-11-17, 09:21 AM
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Feel free to check my math, but that's how it worked out for me: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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Old 10-11-17, 09:40 AM
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Feel free to check my math, but that's how it worked out for me: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
I stand corrected. Elder won't cancel the ISB game this late in the year but looks like they'll end up with more points if they didn't play them. Though since ISB has had more a than a few cancellations, Elder's L2 Divisor is already lower than 100.
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Old 10-11-17, 12:49 PM
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I stand corrected. Elder won't cancel the ISB game this late in the year but looks like they'll end up with more points if they didn't play them.
Definitely not. The ISB game will be senior night and should provide everyone in uniform a chance to play.

Additionally, I don't think the OHSAA would allow a school to back out of a game against a weak opponent in an effort to gain an advantage in the Harbin standings.
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Old 10-11-17, 04:15 PM
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Definitely not. The ISB game will be senior night and should provide everyone in uniform a chance to play.

Additionally, I don't think the OHSAA would allow a school to back out of a game against a weak opponent in an effort to gain an advantage in the Harbin standings.
And ISB, like Lakota West but unlike Oak Hills, actually has won a game this year. LW hosts winless Middletown Friday, then next Friday the Middies host the Highlanders. Hopefully OH can win that one, otherwise they will finish 0-10 as they host Colerain in week 10.
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Old 10-13-17, 07:24 PM
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Lancaster 36
Gahanna Lincoln 49 F
Woohoo!

Lakota West 35
Middletown 7 F


Sycamore 42
Oak Hills 6 F

Moeller 41
Clev. St. Ignatius 20 F
Moe returned a fumble and a punt for tds in the first half.

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Old 10-13-17, 08:38 PM
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East held the lead against Hamilton 23-14, but last score I saw was 23-21.
Moeller winning now makes this a MUST WIN for Elder against WW as the head to OT.
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Old 10-13-17, 08:56 PM
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A great Panther win and some crucial L2 points to boot!
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Old 10-13-17, 09:07 PM
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Is it a good chance to see all 3 GCL teams in the DI playoffs now that Moe and Elder got key wins?...Too bad LS is in DII probably would of had all 4 in the Playoffs.
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Old 10-13-17, 09:09 PM
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Week 8
Lakota West (2-6) def. Middletown (0-8), 35-7
Oak Hills (0-8) lost to Sycamore (6-2), 42-6
Gahanna Lincoln (5-3) def. Lancaster (4-4), 49-36
Lakewood St. Edward (7-0) hosts Canada Prep (ON) (0-5) Sat
Cleveland St. Ignatius (7-1) lost to Moeller (4-4), 41-20
St. Xavier (8-0) def. Football North (via Clarkson Secondary School) (2-6), 47-14
Moeller (4-4) def. Cleveland St. Ignatius (7-1), 41-20
Winton Woods (7-1) lost to Elder (5-3), 35-34 OT
International School of Broward (1-3) was idle
LaSalle (6-2) def. St. Vincent-St. Mary (5-3), 17-9

I'm kinda surprised at the LaSalle score, although the game was up there.

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Old 10-13-17, 09:16 PM
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Is it a good chance to see all 3 GCL teams in the DI playoffs now that Moe and Elder got key wins?...Too bad LS is in DII probably would of had all 4 in the Playoffs.
At this point probably more likely than not. Big wins, Harbin and otherwise, for Moeller and Elder tonight. Moeller beating WW and all 3 will be in. X clinched tonight and I think gets the #1 even if they lose out.
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Old 10-13-17, 09:21 PM
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Looking like a GMC vs. GCL-S playoff in R4
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Old 10-13-17, 09:39 PM
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Eitel already updated and has Elder at 4.
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Old 10-13-17, 09:40 PM
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Looking like a GMC vs. GCL-S playoff in R4
Along with Milford, those party crashers! But Lakota East is lurking in ninth.
Moe finishes with LSE and WW, both away games.
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Old 10-13-17, 10:11 PM
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Eitel already updated and has Elder at 4.
They went from 10th to 4th in one night?
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