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Old 04-17-18, 12:39 PM
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I was hoping a little more would have rubbed off through osmosis.

I never really got the optimism around Jocketty. They mostly inherited prospects the team already had who panned out. Hard to look bad when you have a guy like Votto come through the farm system. The disaster we have now are the people he acquired.
As i said, not many liked Krivsky. I wasnt a big fan of him but there was atleast one person on his staff who found talent. They did a good job of developing a lot of that talent as well. That is much more than anything Jocketty has ever done. Dude has done more harm than Jim freaking Bowden
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Old 04-17-18, 05:05 PM
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Well the Reds suck again
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Old 04-18-18, 08:57 AM
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The take away from last night was the good outing by Romano. He needs to be one of the guys that comes through for us. He came undone after walking the leadoff batter in the 6th, then oddly throwing over to first when the runner hadn't even taken a lead, lost composure and hung a cookie to Thames and he hit the mistake. His first 5 innings were masterful.
Again however, largely disappointed in the offense.
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Old 04-18-18, 03:53 PM
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I can duplicate the previous email for today's game, Reds lose again 2-0, Mahle goes 5 innings. 19 scoreless inning for the Reds offense coming off the 10 run explosion Monday.
Just a little nugget from today's game and how our season is going. Reds are down 2-0, 6th or 7th inning, 1st and 3rd, 1 out, Hamilton at first, Winker at the plate. Hamilton starts to steal second, has it easy, but Winker had called time, so Billy returns to first. Next pitch, 6-4-3 DP, end of inning....

Onto St. Louis...
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Old 04-18-18, 04:32 PM
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Outscored the Brewers 10-8 and still lost 2 out of 3. Shutout back to back games. It's bad.
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Old 04-18-18, 05:18 PM
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Not only 0 runs over the last 2 games but what, 5 hits combined in those games....

3 times today REDS had a runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs and could not score. That flat out is just bad baseball.....

I guess the plan for the REDS is to score all the runs in one game of a series and hope it is enough to get a win... after all, winning 1 game of a 3 game series over the course of a season is much better than what they had been doing prior to Milwaukee....
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Old 04-18-18, 08:03 PM
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Will we reach 10 wins by May 1st? I doubt it.
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Old 04-19-18, 08:00 AM
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Price was just a scapegoat. The owner and GM should be gone. But thats not gonna happen.
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Old 04-19-18, 08:16 AM
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Sad day in Cincy, Bryan Price was let go, along with Mac Jenkins. Jim Riggleman is the interim manger, Danny Darwin becomes pitching coach.

I thought Price held this position with as much class as anyone in his position could. 4 losing seasons, constructing a rebuild and living with all the injuries/ planning the team has. This is simply a move to placate fans...not sure if its the right one or not.
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Old 04-19-18, 08:26 AM
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Of course it's the right move. Price was never going to be the manager when they get out of this rebuild.
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Old 04-19-18, 08:41 AM
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They had to do something. Even if Price is the scapegoat, doing nothing just tells fans they accept losing. He's had 4 losing seasons and they've been terrible most of that time.

Riggleman is not going to be the answer either, but at least they are trying something different. The next move they need to do is bring up Senzel and drop these utility bums.
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Old 04-19-18, 09:05 AM
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I would like to see Garrett starting.
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Old 04-19-18, 09:19 AM
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Of course it's the right move. Price was never going to be the manager when they get out of this rebuild.
Yeah, he was never put in a position to win. Honestly, they’re lucky to have Riggleman. Couldn’t imagine someone with zero managerial experience taking over this train wreck.
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Old 04-19-18, 09:39 AM
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What difference would it make? Riggleman's always been a scapegoat guy and Price didn't have any managerial experience either.
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Old 04-19-18, 09:45 AM
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What difference would it make? Riggleman's always been a scapegoat guy and Price didn't have any managerial experience either.
And how’d that work out? Don’t be a fuggin idiot, you’ve got a guy within the Org who won a WS just 5 yrs ago. F**k your cute story, winning games is what matters.
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Old 04-19-18, 10:09 AM
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I evaluate a manager with realistic expectations. As wolves has pointed out many times he has made plenty of questionable decisions. He was always going to lose with the team he had but if he made smart decisions I could see sticking with him. However he did nothing to improve this team.
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Old 04-19-18, 10:12 AM
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LOL @ the "sad day in Cincy" post. Everyday is a sad day for the last 3 seasons.

Long overdue move, need to clean out the GM and front office as well. You have to at least have the appearance that winning is important.

Not in love with Riggleman, glad it is interim for just this season. But a change has to happen at 3-15, with no real passion for winning being displayed.
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Old 04-19-18, 11:07 AM
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And how’d that work out? Don’t be a fuggin idiot, you’ve got a guy within the Org who won a WS just 5 yrs ago. F**k your cute story, winning games is what matters.
Ok to whatever you're saying,,,,,by the way clean out your teeth, you've got Riggleman's hair in it.......
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Old 04-19-18, 11:11 AM
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Apparently since Descartes has 7,000 posts in a year and a half the rest of us are "Idiots" who know nothing.
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Old 04-19-18, 11:54 AM
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Sad day in Cincy, Bryan Price was let go, along with Mac Jenkins. Jim Riggleman is the interim manger, Danny Darwin becomes pitching coach.

I thought Price held this position with as much class as anyone in his position could. 4 losing seasons, constructing a rebuild and living with all the injuries/ planning the team has. This is simply a move to placate fans...not sure if its the right one or not.
Are you second guessing the management?
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Old 04-19-18, 11:57 AM
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And how’d that work out? Don’t be a fuggin idiot, you’ve got a guy within the Org who won a WS just 5 yrs ago. F**k your cute story, winning games is what matters.
Pboy spazzing on yappi. Yawn.
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Old 04-19-18, 12:45 PM
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He sounds like those new Geico commercials that has nothing to do with nothing..........:shrug :
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Old 04-19-18, 12:53 PM
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And how’d that work out? Don’t be a fuggin idiot, you’ve got a guy within the Org who won a WS just 5 yrs ago. F**k your cute story, winning games is what matters.
Why didn’t they just hire Farrel then? Why bother with a scrub like Riggleman?
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Old 04-19-18, 01:27 PM
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He's lost his mind.
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Old 04-19-18, 01:32 PM
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Why didn’t they just hire Farrel then? Why bother with a scrub like Riggleman?
Farrell hasn’t been on the bench this yr. I’m willing to bet, they already know they want to hire him, but want to give him time to put together a team he can manage.

Riggleman isn’t a long term play, but he has experience and knows the players.
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Old 04-19-18, 01:36 PM
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Ok to whatever you're saying,,,,,by the way clean out your teeth, you've got Riggleman's hair in it.......
Riggleman isn’t a long term answer. However, there’s no reason to think Barry Larkin is better suited to manage a team than a guy in your org who won a WS in 2013. All of this Larkin hype is beyond dumb. You want to throw a mild mannered, inexperienced Mgr into this mess? You could get away with it if you have talent and Veteran leadership, the Reds have neither.
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Old 04-19-18, 01:37 PM
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Apparently since Descartes has 7,000 posts in a year and a half the rest of us are "Idiots" who know nothing.
Anyone who thinks Barry Larkin is a better option than Farrell is in fact an idiot.
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Old 04-19-18, 02:17 PM
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They had to do something.
No, no they didn't. This is a cop out. This is cowardly. This is simply to placate "fire the manager" guy. When you run your team based on fan reaction, you've lost control.
The Reds were not going to win this year, no matter who the manager was. This team has 6 pitchers on the DL, most of whom would be key components of this staff. One of the best hitting first basemen we've seen in decades, and the best hitter ever in this franchise's history...does not have a home run and is hitting under .250. They've had two regulars out of the lineup for parts of the first few games.

Look, even if things go well which they are not, they were maybe going to contend in '19, more likely '20, and that is IF some of the young arms actually pan out.

But here's the biggest factor that no one ever takes into account. This team may never win, at least not in it's current form. The baseball drafting process and development is a crap shoot even for the best teams. For every Bryce Harper, there are a dozen first round picks who never make it.

I don't see anything Bryan Price could have done that would have helped this team win.
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Old 04-19-18, 02:35 PM
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Are you second guessing the management?
Yes I am, I think management felt they needed to do "something" to sell a few seats. For some reason, most of us never like to see people lose their jobs, unless it's our sports teams, then somehow it's ok. Bryan Price did nothing over the last 3+ seasons to not be the manager of this team. Now many will say, yes, he did nothing. We've already labored on and on about the lack of starting pitching and bullpen he's had during his tenure. No one in the history of baseball has had to send out more rookie starting pitchers than Bryan Price.
Please tell me how he was supposed to succeed? Now he could have whined and complained and pitch Iglesias in the 6th inning of close games and maybe won 2-3 more games this season, but he would not jeopardize the health of a player to try to win TODAY, when the vision of the team was different.
If you're a manager who is trying to keep his job each and every day, would you ever give a player a day off?? Heck no, you'd play your best 8 players, everyday, regardless of health, and manage every game like it was game 7 of the world series.
No one sees that, do they?
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Old 04-19-18, 02:38 PM
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Do you think management is trying to lose 14red? Is your money on the line? I think i’ll trust management is doing all it can to win. They seem like they are trying really hard, pretty crappy for fans like you to second guess them.
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