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Old 04-29-19, 10:07 PM
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Answer to Mooney/Ursuline question

Both schools have had difficult seasons recently due to a number of reasons.

They both have been hit by declining population in the area. Their school administrators, coaching staffs are NOT to be blamed. School tuition at over $7-8K a year is difficult at both schools and is difficult for most families.

The rise of Youngstown East HS which is heavily funded by the state government is cutting into the talent of both schools. Also, two of the top inner city recruiters/coaches have moved on from Mooney and Ursuline and are at East with double the pay they were making previously. East also has a great athletic administrator, who played at Mooney.....making very many good decisions.

With that recruiting base, Youngstown East will be very good as the kids they used to lose to Mooney and Ursuline are finding it "cool" to stay downtown.

Youngstown East has a new found pride.

Also because of the price of parochial schools, even parents with some cash (Poland, Boardman, Canfield) are tightening up their purse strings and are keeping their kids in their local public schools.

In addition South Range HS (North Lima) has been growing w/population exponentially. With all new athletic facilities, field. stadium, weightroom...etc. A public school with no tuition.

As far as Mooney and Ursuline merging....that should have been done 20 years ago. They would have made a nice D2 school and may have won 15 state championships.

Instead they each have won 4 over the last 15 years.

The reason why they have have not merged is in dispute, but the common opinion is that they are both run buy two industrial magnates , both an alumni from each school, and both with billions of dollars......each is kind enough to keep both schools open with kind and generous gifts yearly. The Catholic Diocese doesn't want to rock the boat......as these kind gifts is their funding. I don't claim to know for sure, but that is the prevailing wisdom.

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Old 04-29-19, 10:29 PM
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Both schools have had difficult seasons recently due to a number of reasons.

They both have been hit by declining population in the area. Their school administrators, coaching staffs are NOT to be blamed. School tuition at over $7-8K a year is difficult at both schools and is difficult for most families.

The rise of Youngstown East HS which is heavily funded by the state government is cutting into the talent of both schools. Also, two of the top inner city recruiters/coaches have moved on from Mooney and Ursuline and are at East with double the pay they were making previously. East also has a great athletic administrator, who played at Mooney.....making very many good decisions.

With that recruiting base, Youngstown East will be very good as the kids they used to lose to Mooney and Ursuline are finding it "cool" to stay downtown.

Youngstown East has a new found pride.

Also because of the price of parochial schools, even parents with some cash (Poland, Boardman, Canfield) are tightening up their purse strings and are keeping their kids in their local public schools.

In addition South Range HS (North Lima) has been growing w/population exponentially. With all new athletic facilities, field. stadium, weightroom...etc. A public school with no tuition.

As far as Mooney and Ursuline merging....that should have been done 20 years ago. They would have made a nice D2 school and may have won 15 state championships.

Instead they each have won 4 over the last 15 years.

The reason why they have have not merged is in dispute, but the common opinion is that they are both run buy two industrial magnates , both an alumni from each school, and both with billions of dollars......each is kind enough to keep both schools open with kind and generous gifts yearly. The Catholic Diocese doesn't want to rock the boat......as these kind gifts is their funding. I don't claim to know for sure, but that is the prevailing wisdom.

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And I might have had another State Championship ring
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Old 04-29-19, 10:44 PM
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With Chaney opening east will not be as good as a lot of people believe, but yes it’s true a lot of parents are keeping their kids home with the Youngstown area having pretty good facilities and upgrades all throughout the valley. I do believe Ursuline will be good again sooner then Mooney with reardon back at the helm.
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Old 04-30-19, 06:35 AM
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Both schools have had difficult seasons recently due to a number of reasons.

They both have been hit by declining population in the area. Their school administrators, coaching staffs are NOT to be blamed. School tuition at over $7-8K a year is difficult at both schools and is difficult for most families.

The rise of Youngstown East HS which is heavily funded by the state government is cutting into the talent of both schools. Also, two of the top inner city recruiters/coaches have moved on from Mooney and Ursuline and are at East with double the pay they were making previously. East also has a great athletic administrator, who played at Mooney.....making very many good decisions.

With that recruiting base, Youngstown East will be very good as the kids they used to lose to Mooney and Ursuline are finding it "cool" to stay downtown.

Youngstown East has a new found pride.

Also because of the price of parochial schools, even parents with some cash (Poland, Boardman, Canfield) are tightening up their purse strings and are keeping their kids in their local public schools.

In addition South Range HS (North Lima) has been growing w/population exponentially. With all new athletic facilities, field. stadium, weightroom...etc. A public school with no tuition.

As far as Mooney and Ursuline merging....that should have been done 20 years ago. They would have made a nice D2 school and may have won 15 state championships.

Instead they each have won 4 over the last 15 years.

The reason why they have have not merged is in dispute, but the common opinion is that they are both run buy two industrial magnates , both an alumni from each school, and both with billions of dollars......each is kind enough to keep both schools open with kind and generous gifts yearly. The Catholic Diocese doesn't want to rock the boat......as these kind gifts is their funding. I don't claim to know for sure, but that is the prevailing wisdom.

Hope this helps
Makes total sense to me.
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Old 04-30-19, 10:45 AM
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Both schools have had difficult seasons recently due to a number of reasons.

They both have been hit by declining population in the area. Their school administrators, coaching staffs are NOT to be blamed. School tuition at over $7-8K a year is difficult at both schools and is difficult for most families.

The rise of Youngstown East HS which is heavily funded by the state government is cutting into the talent of both schools. Also, two of the top inner city recruiters/coaches have moved on from Mooney and Ursuline and are at East with double the pay they were making previously. East also has a great athletic administrator, who played at Mooney.....making very many good decisions.

With that recruiting base, Youngstown East will be very good as the kids they used to lose to Mooney and Ursuline are finding it "cool" to stay downtown.

Youngstown East has a new found pride.

Also because of the price of parochial schools, even parents with some cash (Poland, Boardman, Canfield) are tightening up their purse strings and are keeping their kids in their local public schools.

In addition South Range HS (North Lima) has been growing w/population exponentially. With all new athletic facilities, field. stadium, weightroom...etc. A public school with no tuition.

As far as Mooney and Ursuline merging....that should have been done 20 years ago. They would have made a nice D2 school and may have won 15 state championships.

Instead they each have won 4 over the last 15 years.

The reason why they have have not merged is in dispute, but the common opinion is that they are both run buy two industrial magnates , both an alumni from each school, and both with billions of dollars......each is kind enough to keep both schools open with kind and generous gifts yearly. The Catholic Diocese doesn't want to rock the boat......as these kind gifts is their funding. I don't claim to know for sure, but that is the prevailing wisdom.

Hope this helps
So what exactly is the question here?
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Old 04-30-19, 11:22 AM
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So why did Dan Rearden leave McKinley for Ursuline ? But he is still @ the school, drove by the youth fields an the must of had out door gym class an they were playing Flag football (of all things) an looked to me there were several football sized kids (of all things) an then there he was bald head blue pull over . I drove around to the field house as they walked back to the school sure enough it was Dan (of all things) so he must be under contract till the end of the school year (of all things) or changed his mind (of all things) LOL
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Old 04-30-19, 08:38 PM
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I assure you he hasn’t changed his mind. A lot of things went into him leaving to go back to Ursuline
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Old 05-01-19, 08:57 AM
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So what exactly is the question here?
Talk about a circular firing squad.
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Old 05-01-19, 01:04 PM
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So why did Dan Rearden leave McKinley for Ursuline ? But he is still @ the school, drove by the youth fields an the must of had out door gym class an they were playing Flag football (of all things) an looked to me there were several football sized kids (of all things) an then there he was bald head blue pull over . I drove around to the field house as they walked back to the school sure enough it was Dan (of all things) so he must be under contract till the end of the school year (of all things) or changed his mind (of all things) LOL
$$$$$$$$

why else does anyone do anything?
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Old 05-01-19, 01:08 PM
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It's funny.... 10 years ago it was the same story with the names switched around

It was Ursuline that was getting ready to close and Mooney that was in good shape

The bottom line is BOTH schools have more than enough deep pocketed alumni to keep the doors open even if the enrollment hits zero. It's a vanity thing for many of them. People with money and a healthy dose of vanity will spend money on strange things.... sometimes even bringing back a football coach.
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Old 05-01-19, 02:51 PM
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EastY: can you post the schedule with dates?
Thanks.
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Old 05-01-19, 07:47 PM
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EastY: can you post the schedule with dates?
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Old 05-01-19, 08:30 PM
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In addition South Range HS (North Lima) has been growing w/population exponentially. With all new athletic facilities, field. stadium, weightroom...etc. A public school with no tuition.
I'm not sure how South Range has anything to do with anything involving Mooney and Ursuline. There never was a big flow of kids leaving South Range for either, and as far as I know there hasn't been a large exit of Mooney/Ursuline kids coming to South Range recently. Sure there are a few here and there, but no large migration.
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Old 05-01-19, 11:27 PM
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Most schools have good facilities in the area especially Boardman and Austintown are top notch
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Old 05-02-19, 06:42 AM
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Thanks, EagleFan!
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Old 05-02-19, 09:49 AM
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I'm not sure how South Range has anything to do with anything involving Mooney and Ursuline. There never was a big flow of kids leaving South Range for either, and as far as I know there hasn't been a large exit of Mooney/Ursuline kids coming to South Range recently. Sure there are a few here and there, but no large migration.
They would have had a lot to do with things had Mooney moved out in their backyard as was planned.

Instead the idiots won
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Biggest mistake was not moving for Mooney
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...agree 100%
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Both schools have had difficult seasons recently due to a number of reasons.

They both have been hit by declining population in the area. Their school administrators, coaching staffs are NOT to be blamed. School tuition at over $7-8K a year is difficult at both schools and is difficult for most families.

The rise of Youngstown East HS which is heavily funded by the state government is cutting into the talent of both schools. Also, two of the top inner city recruiters/coaches have moved on from Mooney and Ursuline and are at East with double the pay they were making previously. East also has a great athletic administrator, who played at Mooney.....making very many good decisions.

With that recruiting base, Youngstown East will be very good as the kids they used to lose to Mooney and Ursuline are finding it "cool" to stay downtown.

Youngstown East has a new found pride.

Also because of the price of parochial schools, even parents with some cash (Poland, Boardman, Canfield) are tightening up their purse strings and are keeping their kids in their local public schools.

In addition South Range HS (North Lima) has been growing w/population exponentially. With all new athletic facilities, field. stadium, weightroom...etc. A public school with no tuition.

As far as Mooney and Ursuline merging....that should have been done 20 years ago. They would have made a nice D2 school and may have won 15 state championships.

Instead they each have won 4 over the last 15 years.

The reason why they have have not merged is in dispute, but the common opinion is that they are both run buy two industrial magnates , both an alumni from each school, and both with billions of dollars......each is kind enough to keep both schools open with kind and generous gifts yearly. The Catholic Diocese doesn't want to rock the boat......as these kind gifts is their funding. I don't claim to know for sure, but that is the prevailing wisdom.

Hope this helps
Not really proposing any answers... just stating the problem.
Good analysis, though.
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Old 05-02-19, 04:01 PM
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NLima/Beaver/Columbiana is the new Canfield. In 30 years East Liverpool will be the place to be.
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They would have had a lot to do with things had Mooney moved out in their backyard as was planned.
THAT, I can agree with!
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NLima/Beaver/Columbiana is the new Canfield. In 30 years East Liverpool will be the place to be.
I agree with Columbiana, but there has been negligible building going on in N.Lima and Beaver for last 5-10 years. Contrary to popular opinion, SR schools are not going to get much bigger than they are now.

I canít recall why Mooney decided not to move.
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You couldn’t pay me to live near east Liverpool it’s horrible
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I agree with Columbiana, but there has been negligible building going on in N.Lima and Beaver for last 5-10 years. Contrary to popular opinion, SR schools are not going to get much bigger than they are now.

I canít recall why Mooney decided not to move.
I thought Bishop Murry said they wanted to keep Mooney in the city to fulfill their duty to the underserved population ( badly paraphrased)
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I agree with Columbiana, but there has been negligible building going on in N.Lima and Beaver for last 5-10 years. Contrary to popular opinion, SR schools are not going to get much bigger than they are now.

I can’t recall why Mooney decided not to move.
Diocese set a deadline for them to raise money/arrange financing to build a new school PLUS $5 million more for an endowment for needy students. The deadline could not be met, so the school is staying put and working with what it has. Ironically, the DeBartolos made a large donation to the school right after it was announced that the school was not relocating, so it’s quite possible that they were not in favor of relocating. That’s a rather large donor to not have on board for a relocation.

Unfortunately, the school may have dug its own grave with its failure to move because the entire attempt was an admission that the school’s current building is not only outdated but also in a location which makes it difficult for them to guarantee the safety of the students. That’s not something parents want to hear before they decide to write a tuition check for $8k-$9k or whatever it is now.
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Thanks for clarifying men.
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I thought Bishop Murry said they wanted to keep Mooney in the city to fulfill their duty to the underserved population ( badly paraphrased)
>LOL!!! underserved population! They can't fill one high school in Ytown let alone two. The Youngstown Catholic community is so in denial of what the city has become and the lack of foresight into what should have been done let alone which direction it should head. Take a good look around on a Sunday mass, how many young families with kids do you see? The answer is very few, just some middle aged and some older people so once they pass on, that will be that.

Rising tuition prices and a shrinking population in the Youngstown Diocese sure doesn't translate into keeping (2) ageing high schools open, yet the leadership is blind to it or thinking they will "trust in the Lord" to find a solution. The bottom line is you have to close (1) school and the only logical one would be U.H.S. because the property is of value to Y.S.U. and nobody has the balls to tell Murray he's wrong. Keeping Mooney open on the south side isn't the answer either. That is not a safe area for anyone's kids to commute to, so they must find a safer central location and build there. Regardless of what wealthy alum from both schools say or do, the right thing has to be done or you'll end up with NO Catholic high schools in Youngstown and the longer you wait, the worse this situation will become.
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Something has to shake. They may need to lower tuition and combine to stay competitive.
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The area has changed. Demographics plays a part. Money plays a part. Enrollments are falling fo a number of reasons. The church is still embroiled in the priest sex scandal, the abortion question lingers and many younger families are not in tune with old conservative church doctrines. Catholics are falling away from the church in numbers.

In town, the Mooney location is no longer safe and given the cost of tuition, unless you are a professional or small business family, it’s not affordable. Ursuline is actually the better physical location. Police presence around the University area and downtown businesses draws the heaviest protections. The Mooney south side is awash in drugs, crime and guns and little in the area to protect.

It shouldn’t escape attention that football has fallen off a cliff big time in the area. Rare is the major recruit and even rarer, there are no longer annual draft choices in the NFL from the area. That means that good public schools in the area offer a great alternative at NO cost and generally a safer environment. If athletically good, those public school layers still attract the MAC and other mid major/FCS schools.

All things considered, one parochial might survive as a small school, but a central location in Ytown is another no no. The students from southern Trumbull cities and communities would have to leave Ursuline to travel farther to a less safe area and not much changes for Mooney kids from South suburbs of Ytown, increasing travel for them too and in not much safer environment. You might continue to attract minorities from intercity on vouchers, but the rise of East and football coming back to Chaney leaves them with local schools in their neighborhood.

Now, let’s add in a consolidation, even as a smaller parochial, won’t be attractive for public schools to play, leaving them seeking at D-I and DII schools, many of them parochial to play. Yep, Reardon is brought in to revive UHS while Mooney is Still left with their problem HC who can’t win unless he has superior talent, which is dwindling. Not a good situation and projects to the downfall. Not many in the area will care as the loss of star athletes from multiple counties, cities and communities produces average teams. Welcome to the new norm.
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So what exactly is the question here?
There was an out of town alumni who requested some basic information on how the area Parochial schools were doing and his post got deleted (for whatever reason I don't know).

That's why I posted
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