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Old 05-03-19, 10:05 PM
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You have until Mid-January to take the hydration test, what's the issue? You can make your own timeline again.

Open communication and clear goals usually eliminated the major issues, in my 15 years, for the program. If not we talked them out.

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Both my head coaching stops we were told basically where and when we needed to certify because it worked out with our contracted trainers and their requirement, along with ours, to certify with another team. If you don’t attempt to certify until December you’ll have issues scheduling said trainers. Now add in that if anyone has a weight loss plan that is long term you could potentially be preventing them from making their final goal.

This is all disregarding the parental and administrative expectations based on when the OHSAA declares the season to exist. If coaches operated truly independently from those expectations then this idealistic environment where “you make the schedule” could work but that’s not truly real life. You can choose to take breaks mid season, or give days off during the week, but starting weeks after everyone else would be seen as short changing the kids and would be met with hell fire from parents and administrators.

I actually don’t know that I think the season is too long, just throwing out that the idealistic view isn’t necessarily the realistic view. I think the sport has much bigger issues than the season being too long, but I’ve brought those up before and been met with a “we can grind through it” attitude towards the issues.

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Old 05-08-19, 03:37 PM
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Much respect to all of the coaches and to all of your families. It's an expected grind and goes with the territory. The wrestling seasons have always run from November to March. The difference are the amount of quads and super duals. Kids are wrestling over 50 matches in a season! Pace yourself. Go as long as you can go and when it's your time to pass the program to a worthy successor, have no regrets. Good luck to you all!

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Old 05-09-19, 10:50 AM
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Nobody wants to look in the mirror anymore.
With faces like we have, not wanting to look in the mirror makes perfect sense.
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Old 05-09-19, 10:57 AM
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This is all disregarding the parental and administrative expectations based on when the OHSAA declares the season to exist. If coaches operated truly independently from those expectations then this idealistic environment where ďyou make the scheduleĒ could work but thatís not truly real life. You can choose to take breaks mid season, or give days off during the week, but starting weeks after everyone else would be seen as short changing the kids and would be met with hell fire from parents and administrators.
This (certifying when I wanted to, having full / not full schedule, etc) is "truly real life" in both my head coaching positions (Mechanicsburg and Bellefontaine).

I explained my rationale for these decisions to the AD and in my parent meetings. Haven't had any "hell fire" yet. Some have asked more clarifying questions but never had any calls for my head. It is possible and if they don't want to follow your lead as the HC on what you believe is best for the program, then do you really want to be the HC anyway?
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Old 05-09-19, 12:01 PM
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This (certifying when I wanted to, having full / not full schedule, etc) is "truly real life" in both my head coaching positions (Mechanicsburg and Bellefontaine).

I explained my rationale for these decisions to the AD and in my parent meetings. Haven't had any "hell fire" yet. Some have asked more clarifying questions but never had any calls for my head. It is possible and if they don't want to follow your lead as the HC on what you believe is best for the program, then do you really want to be the HC anyway?
Full schedule vs not full schedule isnít what I was discussing. Iím talking about starting official practice a full month after all other schools. Picking when you compete and against who I donít think most people would have an issue with.
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Old 05-09-19, 12:54 PM
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the tradition

of the same tournaments being held every week on a yearly basis makes it very difficult to start scheduling late. Most people have to wrestle the majority of their matches in december then coast to sectionals. The extra two week coast of waiting for sectionals is what people do not want.
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Old 05-09-19, 01:57 PM
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Actually the way our schedule is built we have our least amount of matches in December…Then we pick it up in January and they actually have matches running up to the week before sectionals.
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Old 05-09-19, 04:15 PM
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so you dont

go to ironman or brecksville or medina? Thats what i am saying if you want an elite schedule you have to go to these events.
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Old 05-09-19, 05:43 PM
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Yes we go to Medina
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Old 05-10-19, 11:03 AM
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With faces like we have, not wanting to look in the mirror makes perfect sense.
This one made me chuckle. And it's funny because it's true.

ps: Makes you think... For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it?
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Old 05-10-19, 10:33 PM
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I'd like to apologize for involving myself in the back and forth argument that's now been taken down. Though I do have my beliefs and opinions, this wasn't the appropriate place to bring them up. Though my schedule doesn't allow me to coach, I still stay as involved as possible with the sport. We're already losing coaches at an alarming rate, no need for me to get on here and be so critical.

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Old 05-13-19, 01:29 PM
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its a lifestyle you either live it or you dont.
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Old 06-05-19, 04:49 PM
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I don't think Southern Ohio is committed to the sport like Northern Ohio.

For Southern Ohio everyone complains that the season is too long.

For Northern Ohio everyone is excited for the next tournament or practice or camp.

Northern Ohio wrestles year round, Southern Ohio is seasonal. The results are clear.

No dedication down South. More and more coaches quitting everyday and complaining the season is too long. Maybe they like getting eliminated at Sectionals so they can go home and sleep for the spring, summer, and fall.

Hey Southern Ohio, this is a year round sport. Get with us and quit holding Ohio down. So much talent in Cincy gets wasted cause coaches are not committed to year round wrestling.

If coaches get burned out, what happens to the kids?
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Old 06-05-19, 05:07 PM
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I don't think Southern Ohio is committed to the sport like Northern Ohio.

For Southern Ohio everyone complains that the season is too long.

For Northern Ohio everyone is excited for the next tournament or practice or camp.

Northern Ohio wrestles year round, Southern Ohio is seasonal. The results are clear.

No dedication down South. More and more coaches quitting everyday and complaining the season is too long. Maybe they like getting eliminated at Sectionals so they can go home and sleep for the spring, summer, and fall.

Hey Southern Ohio, this is a year round sport. Get with us and quit holding Ohio down. So much talent in Cincy gets wasted cause coaches are not committed to year round wrestling.

If coaches get burned out, what happens to the kids?
Dedication is low down here. Plenty of seats at the table. Gotcha one.
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Old 06-06-19, 06:07 AM
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I don't think Southern Ohio is committed to the sport like Northern Ohio.

For Southern Ohio everyone complains that the season is too long.

For Northern Ohio everyone is excited for the next tournament or practice or camp.

Northern Ohio wrestles year round, Southern Ohio is seasonal. The results are clear.

No dedication down South. More and more coaches quitting everyday and complaining the season is too long. Maybe they like getting eliminated at Sectionals so they can go home and sleep for the spring, summer, and fall.

Hey Southern Ohio, this is a year round sport. Get with us and quit holding Ohio down. So much talent in Cincy gets wasted cause coaches are not committed to year round wrestling.

If coaches get burned out, what happens to the kids?
Apparently you don't know me or my program but most of my team and my boys wrestled year around for the most part other than August, September and October. I think we have done OK over the last few years. The biggest issues for Southeast Ohio is the lack of resources and travelling distance.
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Old 06-06-19, 08:02 AM
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How is that St. Xavier has had 2 Undefeated State Champs in just the last few years yet is looking for a new head coach?
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Old 06-06-19, 08:09 AM
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I don't think Southern Ohio is committed to the sport like Northern Ohio.

For Southern Ohio everyone complains that the season is too long.

For Northern Ohio everyone is excited for the next tournament or practice or camp.

Northern Ohio wrestles year round, Southern Ohio is seasonal. The results are clear.

No dedication down South. More and more coaches quitting everyday and complaining the season is too long. Maybe they like getting eliminated at Sectionals so they can go home and sleep for the spring, summer, and fall.

Hey Southern Ohio, this is a year round sport. Get with us and quit holding Ohio down. So much talent in Cincy gets wasted cause coaches are not committed to year round wrestling.

If coaches get burned out, what happens to the kids?

I am not sure I totally buy into the Northern Coaches being more dedicated. From what I understand, we do not have seed meetings for our Sectional tournament because of North Coaches not wanting to travel and sit through a seed meeting on a school night. Current system relies on a criteria system that can be flawed. Not sure that I consider that dedication.
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Old 06-06-19, 08:41 AM
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Lightbulb Season is too Short.

[QUOTE=Sweep;7305665]I think everyone agrees, season is too long.


NO. Not everyone agrees. Up North we believe the season is too short. We enjoy every minute of wrestling and are committed to winning.

Only Southern Ohio, obvious with the turnover and lack of success, complains about a 3-4 month schedule.

Some High School coaches believe you can get results by practicing real hard for 5 days a week for 3-4 months. wrong. Kids don't even enjoy it.

Up North we believe 2-4 days per week for 12 months will get better results and more enjoyment.

Give kids one school night off per week. They need to rest and focus on school work and social stuff. They are just kids, not professionals.
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Old 06-06-19, 05:17 PM
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[QUOTE=PINSTRIKE;7322008]
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I think everyone agrees, season is too long.


NO. Not everyone agrees. Up North we believe the season is too short. We enjoy every minute of wrestling and are committed to winning.

Only Southern Ohio, obvious with the turnover and lack of success, complains about a 3-4 month schedule.

Some High School coaches believe you can get results by practicing real hard for 5 days a week for 3-4 months. wrong. Kids don't even enjoy it.

Up North we believe 2-4 days per week for 12 months will get better results and more enjoyment.

Give kids one school night off per week. They need to rest and focus on school work and social stuff. They are just kids, not professionals.
Maybe northern Ohio does 2-4 days per week for 12 months. I find it hard to believe that everyone does that low amount of wrestling up north. But I really donít know, Iíve personally gone three to seven days per week for the last 15 years. It has seemed like commitment, and it has worn me out. Maybe I am just not dedicated enough, but it guess that is also relative to each personís idea of commitment.
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Old 06-06-19, 05:19 PM
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Without one week off, no vacation. I feel that is worth noting as well.
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