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Old 02-13-18, 08:42 AM
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Baggy long shorts were the thing for a long time. Short Shorts came back in style about 3 years ago or so. Now all the kids want shorter shorts. Some teams have new uniforms with the smaller shorts so its not an issue, some still have the old baggy ones.

I don't think the style desires of 50 and 60 year old men should be pushed on teens. Let the kids wear their uniforms how they want, within reason. Don't be your grumpy old grandpa. Remember how your brain worked when you were 16 or 17.

If there is an injury risk or a distraction that can impact the outcome of the game, enforce a rule. Otherwise; don't waste time on these petty things.
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Old 02-13-18, 08:56 AM
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This has gone too far. What about middle school teams who get hand me down uniforms from the high school. Small 8th graders trying to wear adult size shorts that are way to long and big. Some school district don't buy new uniforms for middle school.
That can't be it. AllSports says it's because the kids saw someone doing it. I'm sure that's the only reason.
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Old 02-13-18, 09:33 AM
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this is ridiculous!
I have three examples and can give details it you like. Two are television games and can be easily reviewed. A player comes out to warm up with a huge headband on (4 inches easy). The official tells the player and he rolls up the headband and plays. it does not stay rolled up and is never addressed again. even if rolled up isn't it still the huge headband. the illegal headband but rolled up legal. The uniform pants are legal the player rolls them up. illegal!! Ridiculous! The apocalypse is upon us!!!
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Old 02-13-18, 10:31 AM
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The majority of players roll their shorts up as a fashion statement. Started a few years ago, and now everyone wants to do it because it looks "cool." In this case, make them roll them down. If you have a freshman with a 26" waste that gets stuck with an XL shorts because it's the last ones available, then there's really no other option.

If kids think the short shorts look is cool nowadays or not as baggy as most Jordan-brand shorts, jersey manufacturers should just bring back the mildly short shorts.
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Old 02-13-18, 11:08 AM
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Has been enforced all year in SW Ohio from varsity down. Same with everyone has to wear the same color tights, or knee pads, soon it will be same color socks, just wait on it.
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Old 02-13-18, 11:49 AM
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The majority of players roll their shorts up as a fashion statement. Started a few years ago, and now everyone wants to do it because it looks "cool." In this case, make them roll them down. If you have a freshman with a 26" waste that gets stuck with an XL shorts because it's the last ones available, then there's really no other option.

If kids think the short shorts look is cool nowadays or not as baggy as most Jordan-brand shorts, jersey manufacturers should just bring back the mildly short shorts.
It started with the kids copying the Iverson shooting sleeve.... (many of them weren't sleeves, instead they were socks)
Then it went to the pre-wrap around the head
Followed by the one, then two legged tights (now legal)
Currently at rolling the shorts

Kids are copycats....
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Old 02-13-18, 12:05 PM
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What is the penalty for violating the "rolled shorts" rule?
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Old 02-13-18, 12:58 PM
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What is the penalty for violating the "rolled shorts" rule?
If it's a player on the floor, that player is sent to the bench until he/she adjusts her uniform until it's legal.

If it is a substitute entering the game, that sub is denied access and the head coach is directed to have another sub enter the game.

It's so simple..... If officials would enforce the rule across the board, the kids will understand that their time on the floor will be affected.....

They'll comply if they want to play. Whether or not anyone likes the rule is irrelevant.
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Old 02-13-18, 01:29 PM
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I'm just glad those humongous, baggy shorts are out of style.
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Old 02-13-18, 01:30 PM
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If it's a player on the floor, that player is sent to the bench until he/she adjusts her uniform until it's legal.

If it is a substitute entering the game, that sub is denied access and the head coach is directed to have another sub enter the game.

It's so simple..... If officials would enforce the rule across the board, the kids will understand that their time on the floor will be affected.....

They'll comply if they want to play. Whether or not anyone likes the rule is irrelevant.
PLUS...

https://www.nchsaa.org
RULE 4-48 NEW
BEHAVIORAL WARNING
▪ Warning for Coach/Team Conduct
▪ A warning to a coach/team for misconduct is an
administrative procedure by an official, which is
recorded in the scorebook by the scorer and reported
to the Head Coach:
▪ Art. 1 . . . For conduct, such as that described in rule
10-5-1a,b,d,e,f; 10-5-2; 10-5-4 the official shall warn
the head coach unless the offense is judged to be
major, in which case a technical foul shall be
assessed. Note: A warning is not required prior to
calling a technical foul.

===

So if a player (again) violates the rule once on the floor then the above could apply.

:>---

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Old 02-13-18, 02:28 PM
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Rule 4-48 applies to unsporting conduct. Any official that applies this to a uniform or apparel situation is reaching into an area that won't turnout good for him.

Simply send the player off or refuse them entry. Football has made this a rule change for next year. Don't penalize the team, penalize the player.....

If they truly want to play, they'll wear their uniform ( see definition) properly.
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Old 02-13-18, 02:59 PM
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so... De facto ejection...

:>---

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Old 02-13-18, 03:13 PM
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Forget middle school teams, what about programs that don't have the money to constantly replace uniforms and have kids in shorts that are literally too big... I'd rather have them roll them than to have a kid lose his shorts mid-game
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Old 02-13-18, 03:44 PM
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Forget middle school teams, what about programs that don't have the money to constantly replace uniforms and have kids in shorts that are literally too big... I'd rather have them roll them than to have a kid lose his shorts mid-game
Unless things have changed don't all these shorts have strings that can be tied tight enough to prevent them from falling off?
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Old 02-13-18, 06:10 PM
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The rolling of the shorts is to show off the tights. Also the tights/knee pads could be different colors, if it's stand alone knee pads, they can be any color, joined fabric tights, must be one color.... this whole thing is crazy
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Old 02-13-18, 07:29 PM
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I'm just glad those humongous, baggy shorts are out of style.
The short shorts are coming back!
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Old 02-13-18, 10:37 PM
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They roll the shorts because they saw someone do it.

If the shorts are too big, it's on the school to get the correct size.
Chill.
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Old 02-13-18, 11:35 PM
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Chill.
chill. Disresepecting other's opinions over such a trivial thing. It's you that's overreacting.

It's a game. They have rules to teach children lessons, rules are to be followed and fairly enforced. If the rule isn't enforced, then the lesson hasn't been taught. This isn't brain surgery.

Try to change the rule, if not liked but until such change, it's important to teach the kids to follow the rule and expect the coaches and the refs to enforce the rule.
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Old 02-14-18, 12:08 AM
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chill. Disresepecting other's opinions over such a trivial thing. It's you that's overreacting.

It's a game. They have rules to teach children lessons, rules are to be followed and fairly enforced. If the rule isn't enforced, then the lesson hasn't been taught. This isn't brain surgery.

Try to change the rule, if not liked but until such change, it's important to teach the kids to follow the rule and expect the coaches and the refs to enforce the rule.
There's no disrespect. You are reading waaay too much into one word. My initial comment was sarcasm.

I've not seen any players with their pants rolled. I have no idea who or what you say players are emulating.
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Old 02-14-18, 09:30 AM
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I could care less about rolled shorts....heck, most of the time you don't even notice it.....if you want to worry about something, get rid of the ridiculous arm sleeves and long tights. Nothing worse than watching a game where 3 or 4 players look like they put their shorts on over their pajama pants.
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Old 02-14-18, 09:34 AM
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I could care less about rolled shorts....heck, most of the time you don't even notice it.....if you want to worry about something, get rid of the ridiculous arm sleeves and long tights. Nothing worse than watching a game where 3 or 4 players look like they put their shorts on over their pajama pants.

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Old 02-14-18, 09:49 AM
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The short shorts are coming back!
No man should ever wear short shorts.
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Old 02-14-18, 10:56 AM
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The rolling of the shorts is to show off the tights. Also the tights/knee pads could be different colors, if it's stand alone knee pads, they can be any color, joined fabric tights, must be one color.... this whole thing is crazy
Incorrect, the undershirt must match the predominant color of the Jersey. Any other accessories (headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, leg sleeves, and/or tights) must match and be Black, White, Beige, or any school color. Plus, all player on a team must match.
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Old 02-14-18, 11:03 AM
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Forget middle school teams, what about programs that don't have the money to constantly replace uniforms and have kids in shorts that are literally too big... I'd rather have them roll them than to have a kid lose his shorts mid-game
So how did the kids previous to them wear the shorts that were to big? This is nothing more than a fashion statement... The rule is not being applied at the middle school level and barely gets applied at the FR/JV level. Varsity level is the only time the kids are being asked to abide by the rules.
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Old 02-14-18, 11:10 AM
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So how did the kids previous to them wear the shorts that were to big? This is nothing more than a fashion statement... The rule is not being applied at the middle school level and barely gets applied at the FR/JV level. Varsity level is the only time the kids are being asked to abide by the rules.
It is being applied at the junior high level have seen kids leave floor during warmups o take of tights that don't match rest of the team, or refs stop play to have shorts unrolled, is it applied every game no, but there are a few refs who will say something,
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Old 02-14-18, 01:45 PM
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Some officials did enforce it during the regular season, but all of them should have enforced it. Twice it happened in the games that I seen. One in Cincinnati and one in Columbus and in Columbus, they just gave a warning.
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Old 02-14-18, 02:42 PM
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What's the call if a defensive player grabs the opponents drawstring to impede progress - holding or illegal use of hands?
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Old 02-14-18, 05:09 PM
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so... De facto ejection...

:>---

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Only if they choose not to wear their uniform as designed.
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Old 02-14-18, 05:13 PM
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What's the call if a defensive player grabs the opponents drawstring to impede progress - holding or illegal use of hands?
Same as grabbing the jersey or the pants. It could be an intentional foul.

The player fouled could also be removed from the game.
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Old 02-15-18, 10:13 AM
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Same as grabbing the jersey or the pants. It could be an intentional foul.

The player fouled could also be removed from the game.
AP, which region will you be working in? I want to be in the stands when you have a defender grab the tie string of a penetrating player and you hit the defender with an intentional foul and then eject the offensive player. I totally agree, just would love to see the fans of both teams go off. It would be more entertaining than the Debate Forum on Yappi.
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