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View Poll Results: Who will win each district in the DI Akron/Toledo Regional?
[Elyria] Avon (Avon) 1 4.35%
[Elyria] Avon Lake (Avon Lake) 0 0%
[Elyria] Berea-Midpark (Berea) 0 0%
[Elyria] Elyria (Elyria) 2 8.70%
[Elyria] John Marshall (Cleveland) 0 0%
[Elyria] Lorain (Lorain) 10 43.48%
[Elyria] Midview (Grafton) 0 0%
[Elyria] North Olmsted (North Olmsted) 0 0%
[Elyria] North Ridgeville (N Ridgeville) 0 0%
[Elyria] Olmsted Falls (Olmsted Falls) 7 30.43%
[Elyria] Steele (Amherst) 0 0%
[Elyria] Strongsville (Strongsville) 0 0%
[Elyria] Westlake (Westlake) 0 0%
[Strongsville] Brecksville-Broadview Hts (Broadview Hts) 0 0%
[Strongsville] Brunswick (Brunswick) 1 4.35%
[Strongsville] Lakewood (Lakewood) 1 4.35%
[Strongsville] Lincoln West (Cleveland) 0 0%
[Strongsville] Max S. Hayes Vocational School (Cleveland) 0 0%
[Strongsville] Medina (Medina) 0 0%
[Strongsville] Normandy (Parma) 0 0%
[Strongsville] North Royalton (North Royalton) 0 0%
[Strongsville] Parma (Parma) 0 0%
[Strongsville] Rhodes (Cleveland) 0 0%
[Strongsville] St Edward (Lakewood) 19 82.61%
[Strongsville] St Ignatius (Cleveland) 0 0%
[Strongsville] Valley Forge (Parma Heights) 0 0%
[Toledo 1] Anthony Wayne (Whitehouse) 0 0%
[Toledo 1] Ashland (Ashland) 0 0%
[Toledo 1] Bowsher (Toledo) 0 0%
[Toledo 1] Central Catholic (Toledo) 0 0%
[Toledo 1] Findlay (Findlay) 0 0%
[Toledo 1] Fremont Ross (Fremont) 0 0%
[Toledo 1] Lima Senior (Lima) 0 0%
[Toledo 1] Springfield (Holland) 0 0%
[Toledo 1] St John's Jesuit (Toledo) 19 82.61%
[Toledo 1] Waite (Toledo) 0 0%
[Toledo 2] Bowling Green (Bowling Green) 0 0%
[Toledo 2] Clay (Oregon) 0 0%
[Toledo 2] Madison Comprehensive (Mansfield) 0 0%
[Toledo 2] Perrysburg (Perrysburg) 0 0%
[Toledo 2] Rogers (Toledo) 0 0%
[Toledo 2] St Francis De Sales (Toledo) 7 30.43%
[Toledo 2] Start (Toledo) 0 0%
[Toledo 2] Sylvania Northview (Sylvania) 0 0%
[Toledo 2] Sylvania Southview (Sylvania) 7 30.43%
[Toledo 2] Whitmer (Toledo) 3 13.04%
[Toledo 2] Woodward (Toledo) 0 0%
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Old 02-12-18, 12:46 PM
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DI Akron/Toledo Regional

Discuss the Akron/Toledo Regional and pick a champion from each district...

Brackets:
Elyria: http://brackets.myohsaa.org/bracket....s=20648&not=13
Strongsville: http://brackets.myohsaa.org/bracket....s=20585&not=13
Toledo 1: http://brackets.myohsaa.org/bracket....s=20326&not=10
Toledo 2: http://brackets.myohsaa.org/bracket....s=20329&not=11
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Old 02-13-18, 01:30 PM
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Opening Schedule:

Elyria:
02/28/18 Avon (Avon) vs Strongsville (Strongsville)
02/28/18 Avon Lake (Avon Lake) vs Steele (Amherst)
02/28/18 John Marshall (Cleveland) vs Berea-Midpark (Berea)
02/28/18 Midview (Grafton) vs North Olmsted (North Olmsted)
02/28/18 North Ridgeville (N Ridgeville) vs Westlake (Westlake)
03/03/18 Elyria (Elyria) vs [Winner] Avon (Avon)/Strongsville (Strongsville)
03/03/18 Lorain (Lorain) vs [Winner] North Ridgeville (N Ridgeville)/Westlake (Westlake)
03/03/18 Olmsted Falls (Olmsted Falls) vs [Winner] John Marshall (Cleveland)/Berea-Midpark (Berea)

Strongsville:
02/28/18 Brecksville-Broadview Hts (Broadview Hts) vs Valley Forge (Parma Heights)
02/28/18 Lakewood (Lakewood) vs Max S. Hayes Vocational School (Cleveland)
02/28/18 Medina (Medina) vs Normandy (Parma)
02/28/18 North Royalton (North Royalton) vs Lincoln West (Cleveland)
02/28/18 Rhodes (Cleveland) vs Parma (Parma)
03/03/18 Brunswick (Brunswick) vs [Winner] Medina (Medina)/Normandy (Parma)
03/03/18 St Edward (Lakewood) vs [Winner] Rhodes (Cleveland)/Parma (Parma)
03/03/18 St Ignatius (Cleveland) vs [Winner] Brecksville-Broadview Hts (Broadview Hts)/Valley Forge (Parma Heights)

Toledo 1:
02/28/18 Central Catholic (Toledo) vs Fremont Ross (Fremont)
02/28/18 Waite (Toledo) vs Findlay (Findlay)
03/02/18 Anthony Wayne (Whitehouse) vs [Winner] Waite (Toledo)/Findlay (Findlay)
03/02/18 Bowsher (Toledo) vs [Winner] Central Catholic (Toledo)/Fremont Ross (Fremont)
03/02/18 Lima Senior (Lima) vs Springfield (Holland)
03/02/18 St John's Jesuit (Toledo) vs Ashland (Ashland)

Toledo 2:
02/27/18 Clay (Oregon) vs Bowling Green (Bowling Green)
02/27/18 Whitmer (Toledo) vs Woodward (Toledo)
02/28/18 Perrysburg (Perrysburg) vs Madison Comprehensive (Mansfield)
03/02/18 St Francis De Sales (Toledo) vs [Winner] Clay (Oregon)/Bowling Green (Bowling Green)
03/02/18 Start (Toledo) vs [Winner] Whitmer (Toledo)/Woodward (Toledo)
03/02/18 Sylvania Northview (Sylvania) vs [Winner] Perrysburg (Perrysburg)/Madison Comprehensive (Mansfield)
03/02/18 Sylvania Southview (Sylvania) vs Rogers (Toledo)
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Old 02-13-18, 05:05 PM
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This should be called Cleveland-West / Toledo regional

There is no team from Akron (Summit county).
Other than Medina and Brunswick (Medina county), all the schools are from Cuyahoga and Lorain counties
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Old 02-13-18, 05:21 PM
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This should be called Cleveland-West / Toledo regional

There is no team from Akron (Summit county).
Other than Medina and Brunswick (Medina county), all the schools are from Cuyahoga and Lorain counties
The regional finals alternate by year, UofTOledo and UofAkron as I recall.
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Old 02-13-18, 08:11 PM
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The regional finals alternate by year, UofTOledo and UofAkron as I recall.
The regional pairings changed somewhat this year

Last year, the Toledo, Elyria, Canton and Copley districts were paired
This year, the Toledo has 2 districts with Elyria and Strongsville (Cleveland-west) being paired.

The OHSAA continues to use the Akron/Toledo description.
So perhaps this description does mean the host arenas (Univ Toledo and Univ of Akron) instead of the geographical location of the high schools
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Old 02-15-18, 12:58 PM
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If the chalk holds up, St Edward and Lorain would travel to Akron for a regional semifinal. In the Cleveland region, Jackson and Hoban would travel to CSU for a regional semifinal. Makes a lot of sense, right? Here is the difference in miles between the venues:

St Edward: 9 miles away from CSU, 45 miles from Akron
Lorain: 30 miles away from CSU, 55 miles from Akron
Jackson: 16 miles away from Akron, 54 miles away from CSU
Hoban: 1 mile away from Akron, 41 miles away from CSU

On average, the OHSAA is sending these team roughly 35 miles in the WRONG direction. If that detracts 150-200 fans per team from attending at $7 a ticket, that is $5,600 in sales. Hard to say how many of those fans actually decide to stay home. It probably doesn't make a huge difference with Lorain, but I think it would impact hundreds of decisions for the other three fan bases.
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Old 02-15-18, 01:46 PM
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If the chalk holds up, St Edward and Lorain would travel to Akron for a regional semifinal. In the Cleveland region, Jackson and Hoban would travel to CSU for a regional semifinal. Makes a lot of sense, right? Here is the difference in miles between the venues:

St Edward: 9 miles away from CSU, 45 miles from Akron
Lorain: 30 miles away from CSU, 55 miles from Akron
Jackson: 16 miles away from Akron, 54 miles away from CSU
Hoban: 1 mile away from Akron, 41 miles away from CSU

On average, the OHSAA is sending these team roughly 35 miles in the WRONG direction. If that detracts 150-200 fans per team from attending at $7 a ticket, that is $5,600 in sales. Hard to say how many of those fans actually decide to stay home. It probably doesn't make a huge difference with Lorain, but I think it would impact hundreds of decisions for the other three fan bases.
Do a little homework. It's not just the Akron Regional. It's the Akron / Toledo Regional. For years, the Canton and Copley (now Barberton) District winners have played their regional semifinals at the JAR. While the other semi-final has been held in Toledo between 2 NW-Ohio teams. Then the Regional final site rotated between Akron and Toledo. That's a VERY long drive for one of the fan bases. Much longer than the Cleveland to Akron trip that bothers you.

The OHSAA site assignment decisions likely have more to do with the drive for the finals game. I am sure the Akron or Toledo finalist have enjoyed driving THROUGH Cleveland on their way to their region final every year. I'm guessing that the OHSAA is trying to spread that regional finals trip around between some of the other NEO districts so its not always Canton or Copley (Barberton). ALL of the NEO Districts are closer to Toledo than either the Akron or Canton Districts.
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What about this solution:

Cleveland/Toledo Regional
Semi 1: Toledo 1 vs. Toledo 2 winner @ Toledo
Semi 2: Elyria vs. Strongsville winner @ Cleveland
Final: @ Toledo or Cleveland (alternate each year)

Cleveland/Akron Regional
Semi 1: Euclid vs. Solon winner @ Cleveland
Semi 2: Barberton vs. Canton winner @ Akron
Final: @ Cleveland or Akron (alternate each year)
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Old 02-16-18, 09:11 AM
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If the chalk holds up,

St Edward: 9 miles away from CSU, 45 miles from Akron
Lorain: 30 miles away from CSU, 55 miles from Akron
Jackson: 16 miles away from Akron, 54 miles away from CSU
Hoban: 1 mile away from Akron, 41 miles away from CSU


Do a little homework. It's not just the Akron Regional. It's the Akron / Toledo Regional..

Looks like he did do his homework and wasn't the least bit of an azz doing it. It would be better from an economic and travel situation to switch it. Is that just because of this unique possibility of teams are in general for the brackets?

A question someone will know, the rational for it? There are long drives going to happen but I don't think anything in football like the Akron/Toledo mock-up. Back in the day it was Kent/Toledo, not much better. Is it lack of places to play the finals?
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Do a little homework. It's not just the Akron Regional. It's the Akron / Toledo Regional. For years, the Canton and Copley (now Barberton) District winners have played their regional semifinals at the JAR. While the other semi-final has been held in Toledo between 2 NW-Ohio teams. Then the Regional final site rotated between Akron and Toledo. That's a VERY long drive for one of the fan bases. Much longer than the Cleveland to Akron trip that bothers you.

The OHSAA site assignment decisions likely have more to do with the drive for the finals game. I am sure the Akron or Toledo finalist have enjoyed driving THROUGH Cleveland on their way to their region final every year. I'm guessing that the OHSAA is trying to spread that regional finals trip around between some of the other NEO districts so its not always Canton or Copley (Barberton). ALL of the NEO Districts are closer to Toledo than either the Akron or Canton Districts.
I understand this all well enough. I have done my homework. The OHSAA decided that it is better to inconvenience four teams to drive an extra 30-40 minutes in the regional semifinal than ask one team drive an extra 30-40 minutes in the regional final.

Distance from St Edward to Toledo is 113 miles (1 hr 50 min)
Distance from Akron to Toledo is 141 miles (2 hr 12 min)

Either way, these teams are greatly inconvenienced to go to Toledo. And Toledo has a long trip to Akron too. Most fans that will drive 1 hour 50 minutes will go the extra 20-30. BUT, many fans in Summit/Stark aren't going to drive to Cleveland compared to the number that would go to nearby Akron. Same with the Elyria/Strongsville district winners. How many fans would go to CSU compared to the small numbers that will go to Akron or Toledo? The OHSAA Northeast District Board made a bad call here. I did my homework.
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What about this solution:

Cleveland/Toledo Regional
Semi 1: Toledo 1 vs. Toledo 2 winner @ Toledo
Semi 2: Elyria vs. Strongsville winner @ Cleveland
Final: @ Toledo or Cleveland (alternate each year)

Cleveland/Akron Regional
Semi 1: Euclid vs. Solon winner @ Cleveland
Semi 2: Barberton vs. Canton winner @ Akron
Final: @ Cleveland or Akron (alternate each year)
I like mine a little better, but this is a good option too. Certainly WAY better than what the OHSAA currently is doing. In your scenario, all of the regional semifinals are played nearby...which is a big positive over the current setup that sends Canton teams to Cleveland and Cleveland teams to Akron. The regional final would be inconvenient for one team in the Cleveland/Toledo region (but we have no choice) and you could argue only slightly inconvenient every other year for the Euclid/Solon winner. For most of the teams, going from CSU to Akron adds 20-30 minutes.
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Do a little homework. It's not just the Akron Regional. It's the Akron / Toledo Regional. For years, the Canton and Copley (now Barberton) District winners have played their regional semifinals at the JAR. While the other semi-final has been held in Toledo between 2 NW-Ohio teams. Then the Regional final site rotated between Akron and Toledo. That's a VERY long drive for one of the fan bases. Much longer than the Cleveland to Akron trip that bothers you.

The OHSAA site assignment decisions likely have more to do with the drive for the finals game. I am sure the Akron or Toledo finalist have enjoyed driving THROUGH Cleveland on their way to their region final every year. I'm guessing that the OHSAA is trying to spread that regional finals trip around between some of the other NEO districts so its not always Canton or Copley (Barberton). ALL of the NEO Districts are closer to Toledo than either the Akron or Canton Districts.
That's one team each year, and also, you don't drive through Cleveland to get from Akron to Toledo or vice versa. Do you dip briefly into Cuyahoga County on the Turnpike, yes, but that's much less absurd than the fact that there exists a Cleveland regional and yet five schools located in the city of Cleveland are funneled into a Toledo-Akron regional every year (unless something were to change).

Anyway, my solution would eliminate driving past Cleveland (we'll go with that terminology) to get to Akron or Toledo -- for anyone.
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I understand this all well enough. I have done my homework. The OHSAA decided that it is better to inconvenience four teams to drive an extra 30-40 minutes in the regional semifinal than ask one team drive an extra 30-40 minutes in the regional final.

Distance from St Edward to Toledo is 113 miles (1 hr 50 min)
Distance from Akron to Toledo is 141 miles (2 hr 12 min)

Either way, these teams are greatly inconvenienced to go to Toledo. And Toledo has a long trip to Akron too. Most fans that will drive 1 hour 50 minutes will go the extra 20-30. BUT, many fans in Summit/Stark aren't going to drive to Cleveland compared to the number that would go to nearby Akron. Same with the Elyria/Strongsville district winners. How many fans would go to CSU compared to the small numbers that will go to Akron or Toledo? The OHSAA Northeast District Board made a bad call here. I did my homework.
Lorain/St.Edward sold out Akron in 2015 (about 50/50 split).

Lorain and Elyria both took large crowds to Toledo the last 2 years
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Lorain/St.Edward sold out Akron in 2015 (about 50/50 split).

Lorain and Elyria both took large crowds to Toledo the last 2 years
Jackson?

Regardless, you don't haul people 50 miles if you can do the same in 10, right? Any insight into the reasons they might be doing that? I believe the concern registered was the Summit/Stark fan's commute.

Until that northern Columbus population grows to the point they split Toledo down that direction as in football or they build a 10k better stadium at the non-existent University of Sandusky, I don't think this east-west travel is going to change.

Cleveland St is closer to Toledo. I've never been to CSU. With Cleveland traffiic, parking... not sure where the balance really lies. I know anything near 4-6 pm, that traffic around 90-rt2-rt6 and the streets above is a mess.
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