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Old 02-03-18, 11:58 AM
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Interesting! This district plays who in the regionals?
Stow district winner.
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Old 02-04-18, 12:09 PM
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Just my opinions, you are welcome to yours.

Top 4 seeds:
St. V St. M – by far number 1 seed.
Buchtel – number 2 seed lost big to St V, ?? Early lost to East ??
Louisville – number 3 seed. Beat Hoover. Strength of schedule have questionable losses.
Tallmadge - number 4 seed. Lost to Hoover. Strength of schedule have questionable losses.

4 first round Home Games:
Coventry – number 5 seed. Strength of schedule a minus, losses to Streetsboro, Manchester keep them out of top 4.
Marlington – number 6 seed. Strength of schedule a plus, beat northwest, losses to tuslaw, south
Northwest – number 7 seed. Strength of schedule a minus, losses to alliance, marlington, cvca.
Norton – number 8 seed. Strength of schedule a minus, losses to northwest and Coventry speak for themselves.

The rest (my order but pick em for the spots)
South – won 4 of last 6. Losses to Louisville 2, northwest, marlington (split)
Alliance – struggling as of late lost 7 of last 10. Beat Louisville twice, perry once. lost to st Thomas.
Field – strength of schedule, lost to everyone in district they played.
Springfield – 2-13
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Old 02-05-18, 10:22 AM
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Stow district winner.
Thanks! What district is Cleveland VASJ in?
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Old 02-05-18, 11:06 AM
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Just my opinions, you are welcome to yours.

Top 4 seeds:
St. V St. M by far number 1 seed.
Buchtel number 2 seed lost big to St V, ?? Early lost to East ??
Louisville number 3 seed. Beat Hoover. Strength of schedule have questionable losses.
Tallmadge - number 4 seed. Lost to Hoover. Strength of schedule have questionable losses.

4 first round Home Games:
Coventry number 5 seed. Strength of schedule a minus, losses to Streetsboro, Manchester keep them out of top 4.
Marlington number 6 seed. Strength of schedule a plus, beat northwest, losses to tuslaw, south
Northwest number 7 seed. Strength of schedule a minus, losses to alliance, marlington, cvca.
Norton number 8 seed. Strength of schedule a minus, losses to northwest and Coventry speak for themselves.

The rest (my order but pick em for the spots)
South won 4 of last 6. Losses to Louisville 2, northwest, marlington (split)
Alliance struggling as of late lost 7 of last 10. Beat Louisville twice, perry once. lost to st Thomas.
Field strength of schedule, lost to everyone in district they played.
Springfield 2-13
I think your list is a good one based on strength of teams but I suspect the voting will go very differently. I will be shocked if Northwest and Norton aren't alot higher. I still wonder whether StV will get enough support to get the #1 seed.
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Old 02-05-18, 11:51 AM
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This district is so bad. St V will easily when it. Only team that has a punchers chance is Buchtel. Tallmadge is ty but average for this district. Coventry Louizville complete trash
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Old 02-05-18, 12:41 PM
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do you think most coaches take the time and check their information or vote records alone?
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Old 02-05-18, 12:49 PM
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Thanks! What district is Cleveland VASJ in?
VASJ is in the DII Ashtabula district.
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Old 02-05-18, 12:52 PM
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This district is so bad. St V will easily when it. Only team that has a punchers chance is Buchtel. Tallmadge is ty but average for this district. Coventry Louizville complete trash

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Old 02-05-18, 12:53 PM
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A friend of mine says the the teams group up. Stark vs Summit. One league versus another. They vote to get the best for their groups. He coached back in the day and says that was the unwritten rule of voting.
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Old 02-05-18, 12:57 PM
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Just my opinions, you are welcome to yours.

Top 4 seeds:
St. V St. M by far number 1 seed.
Buchtel number 2 seed lost big to St V, ?? Early lost to East ??
Louisville number 3 seed. Beat Hoover. Strength of schedule have questionable losses.
Tallmadge - number 4 seed. Lost to Hoover. Strength of schedule have questionable losses.

4 first round Home Games:
Coventry number 5 seed. Strength of schedule a minus, losses to Streetsboro, Manchester keep them out of top 4.
Marlington number 6 seed. Strength of schedule a plus, beat northwest, losses to tuslaw, south
Northwest number 7 seed. Strength of schedule a minus, losses to alliance, marlington, cvca.
Norton number 8 seed. Strength of schedule a minus, losses to northwest and Coventry speak for themselves.

The rest (my order but pick em for the spots)
South won 4 of last 6. Losses to Louisville 2, northwest, marlington (split)
Alliance struggling as of late lost 7 of last 10. Beat Louisville twice, perry once. lost to st Thomas.
Field strength of schedule, lost to everyone in district they played.
Springfield 2-13

I definitely agree with your first four, however I agree with Yappi, Northwest or Norton will have higher seeds based on their record. Despite the acceptance SVSM will dominate the district, Buchtel could give them a game. Everyone else is just hoping and praying to be opposite of SVSM to win a couple games.
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Old 02-05-18, 01:01 PM
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A friend of mine says the the teams group up. Stark vs Summit. One league versus another. They vote to get the best for their groups. He coached back in the day and says that was the unwritten rule of voting.
I would hope the coaches have grown in maturity since then.
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Old 02-05-18, 02:52 PM
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This district is so bad. St V will easily when it. Only team that has a punchers chance is Buchtel. Tallmadge is ty but average for this district. Coventry Louizville complete trash
Your one to talk...
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Old 02-05-18, 04:24 PM
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I would hope the coaches have grown in maturity since then.
Don't count on it! Because of STVM's success, this has always been a strange district for bracketing. No matter where the Irish were, the other top teams tended to flock to the other side of the bracket. It'll be interesting to see if this Summit/Stark voting has any impact. For example, any chance the Stark teams try to vote as a group to put STVM at #1 and, say, Buchtel at #4 to have those two match up in the semis? IMO, at 9-7, the Irish really have no business being the #1 seed (not saying they won't be the favorite). But would the Stark teams be able to herd enough cats to get something like this accomplished?
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Old 02-06-18, 08:29 AM
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by my count summit has the most teams and there is a wildcard with one portage. The teaming up works all ways. i placed northwest, where I did because of the summit advantage.

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Old 02-07-18, 01:24 PM
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This has to be one of the most confusing districts in the state. The records aren't necessarily great indicators for the relative strength of the teams.

Just have to sit back and wait for the coaches votes to come in.

The interesting thing is that I don't see any way to jockey for position. If everyone wants to avoid StV, it's possible that StV could be anywhere from 1st to 6th on some sheets. Imagine if StV finishes #4, that #1 seed is going to be very upset.
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Old 02-07-18, 05:38 PM
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Updated 2/7:

Code:
Team				Record	PF	(Avg)	PA	(Avg)
Northwest (Canal Fulton)	(14-3)	1091	(64.2)	885	(52.1)
Norton (Norton)			(14-4)	1094	(60.8)	916	(50.9)
Louisville (Louisville)		(12-5)	1090	(64.1)	891	(52.4)
Buchtel (Akron)			(13-6)	1309	(68.9)	1179	(62.1)
Coventry (Akron)		(11-6)	1066	(62.7)	931	(54.8)
Tallmadge (Tallmadge)		(11-6)	1076	(63.3)	975	(57.4)
Marlington (Alliance)		(10-7)	998	(58.7)	966	(56.8)
St Vincent-St Mary (Akron)	(9-8)	1178	(69.3)	1050	(61.8)
Alliance (Alliance)		(8-9)	920	(54.1)	1018	(59.9)
Canton South (Canton)		(6-11)	962	(56.6)	1018	(59.9)
Field (Mogadore)		(6-11)	979	(57.6)	1039	(61.1)
Springfield (Akron)		(2-14)	737	(46.1)	905	(56.6)
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Old 02-07-18, 05:48 PM
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Voting starts today in the district. I really have no idea how it is going to go. Just some wild speculation here:

#1 St Vincent-St Mary
#2 Northwest
#3 Buchtel
#4 Louisville
#5 Tallmadge
#6 Norton
#7 Coventry
#8 Marlington
#9 Alliance
#10 Canton South
#11 Field
#12 Springfield
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Old 02-07-18, 07:26 PM
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does anyone have an actual bracket and where the seeds fall?
8 plays 9 to play 1
7 plays 10 to play 2
6 plays 11 to play 3
5 plays 12 to play 4
is that the way it looks. Help me out Yappi!
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Old 02-07-18, 07:51 PM
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Yes, that’s how it looks.
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Old 02-09-18, 02:48 PM
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Yes, this year, the seeds will determine where a team is on the brackets.

That is why I am curious to see where StV gets placed. If they fall to #4, that #1 seed is going to feel a little frustrated. With all the teams that potentially could be in the top 4 seeds. I suspect that StV will get the #1 seed because teams will not be trying to jockey for position since they don't have the freedom to place their team on any open spot like in the past.
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Old 02-09-18, 04:04 PM
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Yes, this year, the seeds will determine where a team is on the brackets.

That is why I am curious to see where StV gets placed. If they fall to #4, that #1 seed is going to feel a little frustrated. With all the teams that potentially could be in the top 4 seeds. I suspect that StV will get the #1 seed because teams will not be trying to jockey for position since they don't have the freedom to place their team on any open spot like in the past.
Is the NE region the only one that's gone to this set braxketing or was it a statewide decision?
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Old 02-09-18, 04:09 PM
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Is the NE region the only one that's gone to this set braxketing or was it a statewide decision?
I believe it was Northeast only.

Personally, I didn't like the old system because the top seeds were taking the first round games so they could get a tune up game and a second round game at home. But I don't exactly like this system either.

I like the coaches being able to pick their spots. I just think they should have forced the seeds into taking byes. Nothing worse than seeing the #1 seed playing the two lowest seeds in the first two rounds. At least with the current system, the overwhelming beatdowns should become much more rare.
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Old 02-09-18, 11:11 PM
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I believe it was Northeast only.

Personally, I didn't like the old system because the top seeds were taking the first round games so they could get a tune up game and a second round game at home. But I don't exactly like this system either.

I like the coaches being able to pick their spots. I just think they should have forced the seeds into taking byes. Nothing worse than seeing the #1 seed playing the two lowest seeds in the first two rounds. At least with the current system, the overwhelming beatdowns should become much more rare.
IMO these local boards should run the tourneys, not change the rules. If this is such a hot idea, we'll see if the other regional boards follow suit.

I take issue with forcing the top seeds to take byes. Yes, the top team most likely will win, but a game like this permits the bench players to actually get substantial playing time and playoff experience. Are they less important than the #12 seed possibly winning a game?
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Old 02-09-18, 11:40 PM
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I take issue with forcing the top seeds to take byes. Yes, the top team most likely will win, but a game like this permits the bench players to actually get substantial playing time and playoff experience. Are they less important than the #12 seed possibly winning a game?
The #12 team should never win a game but the #5 team should. This leads to very lopsided scores when the #1 team annihilates the #12 seed and then beats the #11 seed by a similar number. People look at the scores and say we need to make changes. This leads us to placing teams on the brackets.

Either way, the #1-#4 seeds are not getting to play a first round game.

Personally, I would rather let the teams decide where they want to play. By forcing the top 4 seeds into taking a bye, this would at least give them a little freedom in picking their spots rather than automatically assigning them all.
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Old 02-11-18, 02:53 PM
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Brackets are out:
http://brackets.myohsaa.org/bracket....s=20646&not=12


#1 St Vincent-St Mary
#2 Buchtel
#3 Louisville
#4 Tallmadge
#5 Northwest
#6 Norton
#7 Coventry
#8 Marlington
#9 Canton South
#10 Alliance
#11 Field
#12 Springfield
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Old 02-11-18, 03:11 PM
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Voting:

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DII Canton District Bracket, Seed Voting/Order, Schedule:

DII Canton District Boys Basketball Tournament

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Old 02-11-18, 05:06 PM
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I like this system. If the brackets were full the top seed would still play the last seed. if there are byes then low teams have a fighting chance to win a tournament game. the big favorites were just play home games and destroying their opponents. fairness dictates the lower seed deserve a chance to win a game. should of done this long ago.
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Old 02-11-18, 05:26 PM
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Agreed. In a district like this, no team gets more than one home game. The first round games should be mostly competitive. The second round games will have a couple competitive and a couple that might have some one-sided matchups but we shouldn't see the really bad scores like we have in the past.
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I like this system. If the brackets were full the top seed would still play the last seed. if there are byes then low teams have a fighting chance to win a tournament game. the big favorites were just play home games and destroying their opponents. fairness dictates the lower seed deserve a chance to win a game. should of done this long ago.
Couldn't disagree more. The reward for being good is an extra home game, or at least the right to choose to play an extra game. Going to date myself a little here, but I remember in 1991-92-93 the Leopards were either a #1 or #2 seed every year. All the games were played at Field house, but Coach Harold didn't want a bye week, he wanted his team to stay fresh. I remember watching his teams play and he had them ready for those games. The top seeds should have that option to play or take the bye. What burns me more is the "fairness" comment. Apply for a job and tell me how "fair" that process is, the best of the best get the offers. Biggest problem we have a society is we have created a generation of kids who feel entitled to everything being fair.
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