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Old 12-10-17, 08:01 PM
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The only people who ever thought Dodd-Frank was a good idea were communists, socialists, economic illiterates, and the demagogues they vote for.


Dodd Frank is a wolf in sheep's clothing and runs cover for the repeal of Glass Steagall. Such a joke

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Old 12-11-17, 08:12 AM
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I think all this discussion about polls when it comes to Trump are a waste of time. If you would take a poll and every one in congress had to answer and answer honestly on how they happy they are that Trump was elected what would the results be. None and I mean none of the D's would say they were happy. Now how many R's would there be that said they were NOT happy with Trump? How many if answering honestly would say they would have been happier with Hillary? Trump has very few friends in Govt, and very few in the news fields. So if all you hear are negative things about someone how are you going to respond to a poll. I went to a small gathering of people recently and my wife warned me to be quiet about Trump. I did my best till some people voiced the "I can not stand Trump!" , then I had to say look at all the good things happening under Trump and look at what he is trying to accomplish that is being fought against just because Trump wants it. Who gives a (whatever bad word you like) if it is good for the nation. Who gives if it is the right thing to do as a nation. If Trump thinks it is a good idea it has to be rejected and fought against.
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Old 12-11-17, 08:43 AM
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The point that doesn't seem to get through is why I believe Trump won and why he may win again despite the polls
People did not vote FOR Trump. They voted AGAINST Hillary
They will not vote for Roy Moore and he well may win. They will vote against Jones

That's why despite low approval ratings Trump may very well be there 8 years
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Old 12-11-17, 09:32 AM
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Can Trump explain any conservative model of economics - vanilla Smith/Ricardo/Mill laissez faire, basic Friedman monetarist school, Austrian school, early Keynesian, post Keynesian, new Classical, anything? Does he know the differences between them? Does he have a preference? I don't think so. Tie him in a chair and slap him with a rubber hose and he'll spew some annoying melange of Krugman, MMT, and non-economic Kraussian dumbfucquery.

Give money to land speculators living off overrated brands with zero economic value, eminent domain seizures, government rent subsidies, and generous bankruptcy laws.

Economically, he's incoherent.
Please name me the last POTUS who could do any of the stuff you just asked.

POTUS is not and has never been an economist that has a grasp on conservative or liberal economic theories.

That's what they appoint others to do.

Oh, and please say Obama so I can laugh.
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Old 12-11-17, 09:35 AM
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I also LOVE the 401K narrative. When this bubble bursts it will be hard to take for most. Especially the ones who truly have not recovered from the last Republican's economic bubble burst. I remember all the people in 2007 who were going to retire millionaires in in ten years.
Please explain how the housing market crash was the Rs fault, I really want to see this explanation.
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Old 12-11-17, 09:39 AM
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C'mon dude. I know you are smarter than this. The Dems controlled Congress at the tail end of the Bush years. The control of Congress and the WH for Bush's first 6 years created the bubble. All accomplished through the deregulation of the banking/lending industry and lack of oversight which directly led to the housing crisis. This is undeniable.

Raise your hand if you knew at least 5 folks who went out and secured a loan for a house they could not afford? Four to six years later they were walking away from their mortgage.

All arguing aside, can you agree that most people have still not fully recovered from 2008? I know plenty who have not and are making the same mistakes. Buckle up.
You need to recheck the history if you think the ARM loans and deregulation of the bank industry to allow them came from Rs.

You may want to look at the Carter and Clinton admin and their housing "everyone who wants a house in America should qualify for a house" policies.

Admittedly there was nothing the Bush admin did to fix this foresable burst/collapse, but to act like the Ds didn't start these policies is laughably ignorant.
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Old 12-11-17, 09:47 AM
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As I said earlier, anyone who honestly doesn't know both parties were equally to blame for 2008 is simply being intellectually dishonest.
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Old 12-11-17, 10:07 AM
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As I said earlier, anyone who honestly doesn't know both parties were equally to blame for 2008 is simply being intellectually dishonest.
Oh absolutely, the Ds started the policies and the Rs never tried to stop them, they even added a few addendums of their own to help it along.
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Old 12-11-17, 10:21 AM
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As I said earlier, anyone who honestly doesn't know both parties were equally to blame for 2008 is simply being intellectually dishonest.
100% correct and the sooner our left wing friends understand this the better for the country. The fact that the actions of BOTH the Republicans AND democrats leading up to 2008 were responsible for the "crash" should be obvious to anyone with half a brain and even less honesty. The fact is that back then we were being ruled by DUMB & DUMBER.

I also find it interesting that many of us on the right will readily own up to what the GOP & Bush did wrong leading up to the 2008 economic crisis but almost everyone on the left is lock step behind the delusional notion that 2008 was all Bushes fault and Obama & the democrats saved the day. It does though shed light on how a guy like Joseph Goebbels was able to fool Germany back in the day.
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Old 12-11-17, 11:53 AM
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Holy smokes! What revisionist history. Unreal. Absolutely unreal. And for a topper Godwin's Law appears. Kudos.
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Old 12-11-17, 02:11 PM
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Holy smokes! What revisionist history. Unreal. Absolutely unreal. And for a topper Godwin's Law appears. Kudos.
I know, a lot of these liberals are revising the fact that Carter and Clinton started the housing for everyone policies.

Can you believe that?
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Old 12-11-17, 02:48 PM
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Holy smokes! What revisionist history. Unreal. Absolutely unreal.
This is why we cannot have nice things.
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Old 12-11-17, 02:50 PM
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I know, a lot of these liberals are revising the fact that Carter and Clinton started the housing for everyone policies.

Can you believe that?
Technically, much like a bunch of other government issues we have today, it really all started under FDR.
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Old 12-11-17, 02:58 PM
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You started it. No YOU started it. Lol. As fish82 says there is blame to go around, regarding the housing crisis. Pubs and Dems were both MORE than happy to ride that bubble. As to the war, faulty intelligence, resulting oil/gas spike, medicare expansion, tax cuts, ALL UNFUNDED, contributed as much if not more to the economic collapse. And that buck stops with the President and his adm.

Pubs will say oh yeah Dems voted for the war too. No, Dems voted to give the POTUS the power to act, as leverage, in what was considered a national emergency. I was for it also. In hindsight, I was wrong, Clinton was wrong, (Trump the liar was wrong btw) and Obama and Sanders were right. However, the when, why, and how the military action began and how the war was waged, strategies involved (or lack of) was 100% on Bush and that adm.
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Old 12-11-17, 03:16 PM
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Btw, that doesn't absolve certain private financial institutions and lenders for their criminal or unethical (at best) behavior. My bank at the time was US Bank. They were mostly unscathed. Gubmint didn't "force" them and many others to get involved in the subprime mess or extremely risky and/or predatory lending practices. That's a cop out.
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Old 12-11-17, 09:14 PM
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FDR, Clinton(s), wow. Great work fellas. It is amazing how Hillary and Obama are responsible for all things bad for the past 100 years.

Keep telling each other that you are all "right". It doesn't make it so.
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Old 12-12-17, 08:57 AM
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Keep telling each other that you are all "right". It doesn't make it so.
Pot meet Kettle.
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Old 12-14-17, 08:33 PM
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Fat boy Trump is unfit for anything
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Old 12-14-17, 09:18 PM
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Fat boy Trump is unfit for anything
For a guy who's 71 he seems fairly fit.
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Old 12-14-17, 09:19 PM
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Fat boy Trump is unfit for anything
We only had two choices, and fat girl Hillary is so unfit, she can't walk.

I think we made the right decision.
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Old 12-14-17, 10:17 PM
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We only had two choices, and fat girl Hillary is so unfit, she can't walk.

I think we made the right decision.
That's not fair. She was chewing gum at the time. Give her a break
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Old 12-14-17, 10:26 PM
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Trump is actually fat and gorges on KFC, McDonald’s and steak. so I would lay off sarcastic remarks about the other candidate’s weight
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Old 12-14-17, 10:41 PM
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Trump is actually fat and gorges on KFC, McDonald’s and steak. so I would lay off sarcastic remarks about the other candidate’s weight
Hillary is too fat to walk. I have no idea what she gorges on, but she is unfit to carry the President's lunch.

Why is this important? Why does it interest you?

I have no idea, but it seems like it's pretty important to you and Mr. Purple.
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Old 12-14-17, 11:08 PM
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Fit or not the reality is we have 3 Supreme Court Justices in their early to mid 80's. In all likelihood trump has 1 or possibly 2 appointments in the next three years that will shape the judicial branch for the next generation. Timing is everything
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Old 12-14-17, 11:30 PM
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Trump is actually fat and gorges on KFC, McDonald’s and steak. so I would lay off sarcastic remarks about the other candidate’s weight
I don't think he was being sarcastic.
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Old 12-14-17, 11:53 PM
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I don't think he was being sarcastic.
Regardless, Trump is obese and fills his body with grease.
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Old 12-15-17, 06:32 AM
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Regardless, Trump is obese and fills his body with grease.
Doesn't mean he's still not POTUS! All of Bammies legacy being flushed down the toilet, life is good
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Old 12-15-17, 06:42 AM
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Regardless, Trump is obese and fills his body with grease.
Yet he works harder than any President in modern history...for free!

(btw-- He ran circles around fat and drunk Hillary during the campaign.)
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Old 12-15-17, 09:27 AM
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Regardless, Trump is obese and fills his body with grease.
So what? It's his body and he can do what he wants with it. Isn't that how its supposed to work in this country anyway? Isn't that the argument when it comes to legalizing drugs, abortions, etc. anyway?
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Old 12-15-17, 09:48 AM
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I don't recall what did Obama and Bush eat for dinner? I'm certain it was reported somewhere right? Did BHO smoke cigs and drink alcohol? Pretty sure he did/does. This is where we at at now? Really disheartening/
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