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Old 01-07-18, 08:46 PM
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The hysteria is created by Trump...the wounds self inflicted.
People who are not important are having a fit about things that are irrelevant.


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Old 01-07-18, 09:34 PM
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Old 01-07-18, 10:26 PM
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Oprah should run for President. If Trump is qualified...Oprah came without the silver spoon/parents getting her in to college/100M inheritance. She is more accomplished, smarter, more wealthy, owns more legitimate businesses and many times more successful in TV/Media.
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Old 01-07-18, 10:38 PM
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Oprah should run for President. If Trump is qualified...Oprah came without the silver spoon/parents getting her in to college/100M inheritance. She is more accomplished, smarter, more wealthy, owns more legitimate businesses and many times more successful in TV/Media.
Trump Derangement Syndrome!!!
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Old 01-07-18, 10:49 PM
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Trump Derangement Syndrome!!!
She is also way more articulate, stable and intelligent.
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Old 01-07-18, 11:00 PM
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I would like to see Oprah run for President. I think you would likely see many of the same type of negative attack dogs that President Trump has endured starting to attack Oprah. All of her dirty little secrets would start bubbling to the surface. I doubt very much she would make it to the first set of primary Presidential debates. Not many people are built for the negative spotlight, especially those that are not from a political background.
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Old 01-07-18, 11:02 PM
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Oprah is the furthest thing from stable
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Old 01-08-18, 12:46 AM
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Oprah is the furthest thing from stable
I mean potential shady business deals aside, what has Oprah done to question her stability?

She’s a rags-to-riches/Self-Made multi-billionaire whose name everyone knows and has never had a real scandal other than people speculating she may be gay with Gayle.
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Old 01-08-18, 01:12 AM
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She's pretty much embellished her poverty-stricken past, made up her family dynamics, and lied about sexual abuse. She's also into the typical detached hollywood woo-woo religious nuttery and poo-poos marriage. Seems totally well adjusted.

She's probably more like a female Trump than any of you would like to admit. If she wasn't a black woman you wouldn't even consider it a decent idea let alone give it any real support. Congrats, you're a racist.
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Old 01-08-18, 02:50 AM
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Are you referencing that idiotic book by her estranged cousin who also said Oprah was a spoiled prostitute
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Old 01-08-18, 06:40 AM
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I mean potential shady business deals aside, what has Oprah done to question her stability?
She helped unleash the quack, Dr Oz, on the world?
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Old 01-08-18, 07:38 AM
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Oprah would last about a week as a POTUS candidate. Great idea, HGL.
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Old 01-08-18, 07:41 AM
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"Is the USA going to break apart?" is the thread just above this. This thread title, "Is Trump mentally fit to be President?", is a prime example of why the break apart thread would even be contemplated.
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Old 01-08-18, 08:24 AM
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"Is the USA going to break apart?" is the thread just above this. This thread title, "Is Trump mentally fit to be President?", is a prime example of why the break apart thread would even be contemplated.
Why? It is a very legitimate and important question.
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Old 01-08-18, 08:30 AM
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Why? It is a very legitimate and important question.
No, and no.
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Old 01-08-18, 01:00 PM
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Is this you Happy? Wouldn't have guessed you were Asian
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Old 01-08-18, 01:47 PM
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Good point on the Dr. Oz (that is a negative---plus Dr Phil- double negative)

Hopefully- Oprah is smart enough to not get into politics or run for office. Like Trump she would miss her previous life. Howard Stern was on to something.
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Old 01-08-18, 01:48 PM
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Are you referencing that idiotic book by her estranged cousin who also said Oprah was a spoiled prostitute
Nope
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Old 01-08-18, 01:56 PM
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Are you referencing that idiotic book by her estranged cousin who also said Oprah was a spoiled prostitute
If she ran for President, she would have plenty more estranged cousins, employees, and acquaintances writing idiotic books about her deepest darkest secrets. Her opponents would believe them, her supporters would denounce them, and Oprah would do everything she could to discredit them.
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Old 01-08-18, 02:27 PM
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This Oprah person of whom you speak. Is she Hillary's sister?
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Old 01-08-18, 03:40 PM
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Left-wing social media (and a decent amount of the MSM) is literally giving the democrat nomination to Oprah today, and begging her to run.

Interesting times, indeed.
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Old 01-08-18, 03:46 PM
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"Is the USA going to break apart?" is the thread just above this. This thread title, "Is Trump mentally fit to be President?", is a prime example of why the break apart thread would even be contemplated.
Bingo!
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Old 01-08-18, 03:49 PM
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Left-wing social media (and a decent amount of the MSM) is literally giving the democrat nomination to Oprah today, and begging her to run.

Interesting times, indeed.
Can you imagine the number of new social programs and additional funding for existing ones? Not to mention Global warming , unlimited immigration, decrease in military....on and on.
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Old 01-08-18, 03:53 PM
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Left-wing social media (and a decent amount of the MSM) is literally giving the democrat nomination to Oprah today, and begging her to run.

Interesting times, indeed.
In a weird way I'm glad she may jump into the race for the democrats. Trump's most lasting contribution may be his breaking of the modern notion that only "professional" politicians with shiny law degrees can be POTUS. There is a lot of talent out there that might be outstanding presidential material and they shouldn't be automatically disqualified because back in the day they said or did something "wrong". Or that they have no experience governing. Based on my observations having experience at governing is a vastly overrated attribute.

Bring it on Oprah, I'm sure the Donald would love the challenge. But the key to her success would be to break away from some of the sacred positions of the democrat party, like Trump did from the GOP. If she doesn't and simply runs as a more entertaining Hillery or a female Obama, clinging to the DNC's progressive identity politics, then look for a Trumpslide in 2020!
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Old 01-08-18, 03:55 PM
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How would Oprah handle a debate performance? I watched the speech -- she was acting. And nothing of substance was said, beyond a lot of feel good "we're all gonna get along" type stuff. Even the political stuff on her show was always very watered down. Not saying she couldn't handle herself in a debate, I've just never seen any evidence of it. Trump, for all his faults and missteps, was able to riff on pretty much any topic during the primary and general debates, and did it well. The only time he really came up clueless was during health care, where he had nothing to say but a couple canned lines.

I think this is a dangerous move for the Democrats. You can't transplant Trump's success as celebrity with the Republican base onto the Democratic base. They're two different animals. Oprah would probably drive up enthusiasm among, say, black and white women, but there might be a corresponding and possibly severe defection of white men (far worse than with Hillary), probably no increase in black and Hispanic men, disinterest among young people (her show will have been off the air for nearly 10 years come 2020)... the Bernie wing will absolutely freak. Oprah is neoliberal to the core, involved in medical quackery like you guys have said, has repeatedly sold junk science books ("The Secret"), and there's no doubt more out there. I just can't see Oprah turning Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin blue with a social issues campaign.
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Old 01-08-18, 04:07 PM
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Why would the DNC want Oprah to run? Three words.....The Black Vote.

The black vote was the highest ever for Obama in his two elections. Dropped off pretty hard for Hillary. They know they can't win the white house without the black vote and Oprah probably seems like a sure bet to get the black vote turnout close to Obama's numbers.

Plus she has experience giving away stuff for free on her show. She checks all the boxes.
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Old 01-08-18, 04:43 PM
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The black vote was the highest ever for Obama in his two elections. Dropped off pretty hard for Hillary. They know they can't win the white house without the black vote and Oprah probably seems like a sure bet to get the black vote turnout close to Obama's numbers.
Oh you're definitely right that that's what they're thinking... but will black men show up in large numbers to vote for Oprah? Remember the show? Everyone in the audience was a woman. It was entertainment specifically designed for the housewife home during the day -- and it sounds like that's how she wants to run the campaign, too, if the speech is any indication. Is that gonna work? She got people to vote for Obama, yes. But sometimes the propagandist is a horrible figure to put out in public (ask Steve Bannon).

I'm not seeing it from the Golden Globes speech. She's gonna choke hard when it gets time to get into policy. Obama was very vague sometimes but nothing like the way Oprah is. And we all remember what happened to Rubio.
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Old 01-08-18, 04:48 PM
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Why would the DNC want Oprah to run? Three words.....The Black Vote.

The black vote was the highest ever for Obama in his two elections. Dropped off pretty hard for Hillary. They know they can't win the white house without the black vote and Oprah probably seems like a sure bet to get the black vote turnout close to Obama's numbers.

Plus she has experience giving away stuff for free on her show. She checks all the boxes.
IMO...I don't think the DNC would go all in on Oprah. Like the RNC, they are party loyalists. They will have their "political candidate/s". Unfortunately for them, there aren't many that stand out. They were propping up an African American lawyer Kamala Harris recently.
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Old 01-08-18, 05:08 PM
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Dismissing Oprah's chances is pretty hilarious given what happened in 2016.
  • She's one of the most famous women ever
  • She has a great personal story: born dirt poor, molested, pregnant at 14, legitimately self-made her $3 billion fortune, noted philanthropist, etc
  • She checks the boxes to get Dem voters to the polls: she's black, she's a woman, and white housewives love her. Oprah-Trump would almost certainly be an historic gender gap and I imagine she'd receive near Obama levels of black support.

Her negatives
  • Inexperienced: this is obviously out the window as a talking point for Republicans
  • She's given platforms to conspiracy theorists(anti-vaxxers most notably): this would also be a difficult line of attack for obvious reasons
  • Never been properly vetted as she would in a political campaign: this is the only real liability. What skeletons does she have in her closet? This is a legitimate concern if you nominate her.

As someone who abhors nearly everything Dems stand for, I'm a lot more worried about a ticket with Oprah on it than I am one with Biden, Warren, Cuomo, etc.
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Old 01-08-18, 05:38 PM
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Does federal politics really need another Chicago based POV? Chicago can't fix itself.

One characteristic I see missing from the descriptions above: she's extremely intelligent and people savie. She has and can reach a similar regional demographic as Trump. She can reach small town, rural poverty in ways Clinton and the liberal elite wouldn't even care to. AND she will verse herself on the issues. She's a good study. Trump is not.

As others have mentioned, she'd have the same problems as Trump, putting together that out-sider machine that can be effective in DC. But at least she would have the experience of Trump to build on.

A good time to recall, when all was coming down on Trump post election and it was quickly becoming clear that there were those whose intent was to be as disruptive as possible, regardless what policies he would attempt to put forth, even if in their own interest, she backed him at least to the point of giving him the benefit of the doubt. She did also though, cave to pressure when she saw her radical liberal elite, would not back her pragmatism. She did not have the will to hold her ground. Be it due to will power or business decision, who knows?
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