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Old 04-25-17, 11:19 PM
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At the higher levels of the game, I'd imagine we see a lot more challenges in the box from smarter players knowing they only get a yellow and not a red.

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Regarding the discussion above about losing hs referees, more frustrating for me than the pay with arbiter is all the bureaucracy involved in re-certification. I'm not particularly interested in attending local OHSAA meetings for rules on games that won't even count towards my advancement to higher USSF grades.

I've noticed more and more "non-soccer" guys refereeing local youth games with me lately. One said he started with football, then wrestling, finally soccer. Had another guy with me in the next game who was basketball then soccer. The good thing about these types of referees is they almost always have strong on-field demeanor/leadership and can keep control of the game. The downside with them is their positioning usually is not as good. The very best referees are the guys who can anticipate direction of play so they are always in position to make the right call. ]That's something that comes with an understanding of the game rather than an understanding of the rulebook. Along with that, you have to be in shape to run when you need to get into position to make the call.
I think these multi-sport OHSAA referees are going to become more and more of the norm as the OHSAA keeps making it more difficult for younger referees to certify and lowering the incentives of certifying.
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Old 04-26-17, 10:18 PM
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OBF06,

If you're talking about the DOGSO change (removal of penalty/red, instead only yellow for certain ones in the box), it should be noted that if the challenge fits the "serious foul play" bucket, it's still a send off per the LOTG revision. It's also still a send off for a hold, push, or pull; along with for failure to play the ball, or no chance to play the ball.
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Old 05-03-17, 10:19 PM
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OBF06,

If you're talking about the DOGSO change (removal of penalty/red, instead only yellow for certain ones in the box), it should be noted that if the challenge fits the "serious foul play" bucket, it's still a send off per the LOTG revision. It's also still a send off for a hold, push, or pull; along with for failure to play the ball, or no chance to play the ball.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Your clairification was a very good explanation for those who are not familiar. What I was meaning more specifically, I would expect more aggressive slide tackles where defenders go for the ball. Yeah, you're still risking a penalty but avoiding a red in that situation is huge. It depends on the situation of the game, but more often than not I'd rather slide a guy just inside the edge of the box and risk a penalty rather than slide a guy outside the box and risk a direct free kick and a send off.

I understand the rational behind the change, I just think this rule has more consequences for play than most rule changes do.
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Old 05-03-17, 10:44 PM
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OBF06,

I do not THINK the revised DOGSO interpretation was put into the high school rule book for 2017-18. We'll find out for when the materials come out from Columbus. Certainly will make for an interesting scholastic season if that is the case.
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Old 05-08-17, 11:42 AM
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PK do over

From a State Cup game this weekend. Team was awarded a PK. Ref gave instructions to goalie, all non shooters and handed the ball to the shooter and stepped out of the 6 yrd. box. Shooter placed ball and struck the kick. Goalie cleanly saved the kick, moving to the right and catching the shot. Ref waived off the try and instructed the shooter to retake the kick. Shooter retook the kick, shooting to the left, and scored. After the game ref stated that the re-kick was awarded because he had not yet blown the whistle to direct the shooter to take the original kick? Was this the correct application of the rules?
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Old 05-09-17, 03:54 PM
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The rules clearly state the ref must signal before the PK can be taken. In the refs eyes he did not signal the penalty taker for the PK thus do over, the play never happened regardless of outcome. What a bad dilemma to get into, the players have to know you go on my whistle, period. The tables could have been turned in that he could have made the PK then had to do it all over again.
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Old 05-10-17, 08:27 AM
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Agree, right call but terrible situation to be in. I don't recall having a player go before my whistle on a PK. Happens to me all the time on direct kicks despite always reminding them "wait for my whistle." Gotta get into proper position.
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Old 05-10-17, 08:36 AM
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The rules clearly state the ref must signal before the PK can be taken. In the refs eyes he did not signal the penalty taker for the PK thus do over, the play never happened regardless of outcome. What a bad dilemma to get into, the players have to know you go on my whistle, period. The tables could have been turned in that he could have made the PK then had to do it all over again.
That happened to a player on my son's team. Placed the ball, kicked it, and scored. Only to have the ref wave it off because he didn't blow his whistle. Of course the keeper made the save on the second try.
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Old 05-10-17, 09:25 AM
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Thanks for the feedback. Could the players taking the kick be carded for not waiting for the direction of the official? With no repercussions to the player taking the kick I may instruct all my strikers to take a kick early (before the whistle) to get in the goalies head. The % of converted kicks is higher than missed attempts thus this is a huge advantage to the shooter.
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Old 05-10-17, 11:16 AM
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Interesting situation because "delaying the restart" is a cautionable offense and the safest answer for you is if this is how the referee interprets what he sees from the PK shooter.

One would like to think that the keeper knows he/she is waiting to hear the whistle and may not react to a premature shot on goal.

The law missing from the LOTG that referees should acknowledge is common sense. Be clear with your instructions and if a premature shot is taken (even if perceived as deliberate), use your voice rather than an instant card to tell the shooter that won't be tolerated again by anyone.
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Old 05-10-17, 11:58 AM
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Thanks for the feedback. Could the players taking the kick be carded for not waiting for the direction of the official? With no repercussions to the player taking the kick I may instruct all my strikers to take a kick early (before the whistle) to get in the goalies head. The % of converted kicks is higher than missed attempts thus this is a huge advantage to the shooter.
I could be wrong but I think the laws state that it has to happen multiple times to warrant a card.
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Old 05-10-17, 12:06 PM
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Thanks for the feedback. Could the players taking the kick be carded for not waiting for the direction of the official? With no repercussions to the player taking the kick I may instruct all my strikers to take a kick early (before the whistle) to get in the goalies head. The % of converted kicks is higher than missed attempts thus this is a huge advantage to the shooter.
The first thing I thought of when I read this response was that would be a bush league move on your part as a coach.

The second thing I thought of is the game that important to you to teach a stunt like that?
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Old 05-10-17, 12:29 PM
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I agree this would be "bush league" and considered a "stunt". The point I'm making is that the law/rules have a huge hole that could be exploited if one had the character(or lack thereof) to do so. Thanks for your concern, however not my style.

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Old 05-10-17, 01:00 PM
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I agree this would be "bush league" and considered a "stunt". The point I'm making is that the law/rules have a huge hole that could be exploited if one had the character(or lack thereof) to do so. Thanks for your concern, however not my style.
Whew. OK. I thought you were going to be "one of those guys" that would take advantage of this huge hole. I agree, some people with the wrong character, could teach and do this. I can think of one in my local area for sure that would stoop to something like this.

Thankfully, PK's happen somewhat infrequently in any given game limiting someone the opportunity to do this. PK's are already an intense moment in a game. Having to redo one for whatever reason only makes it worse.
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