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Old 08-04-17, 08:07 AM
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Yeah, that's the ticket. Looks like Puppy burnt his STUDS out. Great coaching job. An easy title and he threw it all away. Now the STUDS bail.
Which group of players are you referring to as having bailed? The ones that went to DA or the ones that went to OE? From what I know, each girl had 3 options..... there was no option to stay with CUP. Each girl decided where their personal development would be best served.
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Old 08-04-17, 09:33 AM
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Which group of players are you referring to as having bailed? The ones that went to DA or the ones that went to OE? From what I know, each girl had 3 options..... there was no option to stay with CUP. Each girl decided where their personal development would be best served.
How do you figure there was no option to stay with CUP?
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Old 08-04-17, 09:55 AM
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How do you figure there was no option to stay with CUP?

COACH G

It looks like the birdies are talking again. This time it doesn’t look like it turns out good for us over here at CUP. I was correct when I said the birdies told me about all of the kids leaving for OE. These little birdies just keep talking this off season and this one is the mother lode. You know what I am talking about and soon everyone else will as well. It looks like the ship is sinking. You know what rats do when they see the ship sinking they JUMP. I will give you a hint BP……………………………………………………………….
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Old 08-04-17, 12:03 PM
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It looks like the birdies are talking again. This time it doesn’t look like it turns out good for us over here at CUP. I was correct when I said the birdies told me about all of the kids leaving for OE. These little birdies just keep talking this off season and this one is the mother lode. You know what I am talking about and soon everyone else will as well. It looks like the ship is sinking. You know what rats do when they see the ship sinking they JUMP. I will give you a hint BP……………………………………………………………….
No hint needed at all. Everyone is replaceable and Bobby has done a great job. I am sure the Club will bring in a great person to pickup where Bobby is leaving off. http://www.cincinnatiunitedsoccer.co...e-announcement The club has done a great job in attracting great people and I am sure the parents and players trust the club to continue improving.

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Old 08-04-17, 03:30 PM
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How do you figure there was no option to stay with CUP?
Well let's lay out the obvious choices:
1. Participate in the DA
2. Choose to go to Ohio Elite / ECNL / or other club
3. Choose to play the "Pre-DA" / CDA Premier

For any CUP Gold Player (of any age group), staying with CU / CUP was not a feasible option because of the level of play. Going to CUP Gold for the upcoming season would be the equivalent of playing CUP silver

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Old 08-04-17, 09:15 PM
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Also at CUP and been saying the same thing as Istillplay. It's a joke. Has been and for damn certain now that Tiffany ensured under his nose that CUP is decimated it will be done. Doesn't take anything away from some of the fantastic players at CUP. Hopefully KF or JP gets some love. Because the two Lilliputian leprechaun's left will destroy what's left.
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Old 08-05-17, 10:34 AM
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A little perspective. No one is burnt out. The introduction of the DA program brought in the HS/No HS decision. The fact was that many girls had already been kicking tires at OE. It was apparent that the team was becoming a way to showcase the coach and a few players.

The DA team was set long before assessments. The fact is that KHA told their players that they had to have at least 4 on each team. The 01/02 team has only 2 as everyone turned them down. The rest of the roster was divided equally between 01 and 02. It wasn't about the best team. EVERY 02 parent has commented that the DA team will be worse than the Cup 02 team. So have some 01 parents.

Pulling in another topic - ODP.
It is all about numbers and politics. CUP has a huge influence on ODP selections. I know one girl on the team that was not selected for ODP Regional camp and her father was told by regional leadership that it was due to coaches not wanting too many girls from same team on the roster. All numbers. This translates all around. The same thing happened for all region teams ODP as one coach was told to pull a player from top field of play because a deal was made.

Several DoCs said it was OK to participate in ODP if you had a little extra cash and were accepting of politics. Just know the deal if you are signing up.
Well written on all fronts. Thanks for the honesty. I often feel like I'm the only person that doesn't have hate for the other clubs, and see's their own club only through rose colored glasses.

And it's refreshing to see objectivity from more parents. I have been saying since it's inception that the DA will not have the best overall players but will have the best players willing to do it. That CUP Gold 02 team is awesome, and by all accounts great kids. (our friends hosted the girls at their house in Dallas). I hope they all find success be it the DA, OE or CUP. Good luck to your daughter.

I have heard the same thing from some DoC's about the ODP. Do it only to keep on the ball and get some expensive touches. Don't go into it with any expectations or objectivity and growth, and you won't be disappointed.
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Old 08-05-17, 02:00 PM
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COACH G

It looks like the birdies are talking again. This time it doesn’t look like it turns out good for us over here at CUP. I was correct when I said the birdies told me about all of the kids leaving for OE. These little birdies just keep talking this off season and this one is the mother lode. You know what I am talking about and soon everyone else will as well. It looks like the ship is sinking. You know what rats do when they see the ship sinking they JUMP. I will give you a hint BP……………………………………………………………….
http://www.cincinnatiunitedsoccer.co...e-announcement
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Old 08-08-17, 07:14 AM
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Someone brought up a very good point

What is the Pre-DA ?

I am hearing there is no such thing as Pre-DA that someone made this name up to replace the name of Cup gold and Kha red ?

is there no affliation with the true DA ?

I am being told there is no affliation what so ever except in a made up name?

Again smoke and mirrors !

What a Joke !
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Old 08-08-17, 08:23 AM
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Someone brought up a very good point

What is the Pre-DA ?

I am hearing there is no such thing as Pre-DA that someone made this name up to replace the name of Cup gold and Kha red ?

is there no affliation with the true DA ?

I am being told there is no affliation what so ever except in a made up name?

Again smoke and mirrors !

What a Joke !
It's not smoke and mirrors. It exists on the boys side and has for a decade. It's the place for players on the fence of making the DA, or perhaps will only play on the full DA team when they are the older of a dual age group.

Call them reserves. They get the same coaching, but compete in lower levels. You know... like ECNL.

You should start talking to folks that know things. the folks you're making up guesses with... don't know things.
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Old 08-08-17, 08:32 AM
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With "same coaching" being the key phrase here.
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Old 08-08-17, 08:41 AM
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With "same coaching" being the key phrase here.
Not a bad point at all... Over time the boys side clubs developed styles of play that were shared among all teams. This makes for easier movement among teams and stronger u-19 teams in general.

It DOES remain to be seen if the girls side will evolve that way.
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Old 08-08-17, 09:03 AM
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Someone brought up a very good point

What is the Pre-DA ?

I am hearing there is no such thing as Pre-DA that someone made this name up to replace the name of Cup gold and Kha red ?

is there no affliation with the true DA ?

I am being told there is no affliation what so ever except in a made up name?

Again smoke and mirrors !

What a Joke !
Dude, you really need to educate yourself, or at least learn to be humble enough to allow yourself to be educated. That and seriously find a way to get rid of all this hate you carry around. It's bad for the heart.
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Old 08-08-17, 05:35 PM
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Dude, you really need to educate yourself, or at least learn to be humble enough to allow yourself to be educated. That and seriously find a way to get rid of all this hate you carry around. It's bad for the heart.
Bucktooth- Uses multiple names on here to match his mental disorder.
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Old 08-08-17, 07:58 PM
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Bucktooth- Uses multiple names on here to match his mental disorder.
I'm still convinced Buck and coachg are some kind of Jekyl/Hyde fixture.
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Old 08-09-17, 07:05 AM
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Someone brought up a very good point

What is the Pre-DA ?

I am hearing there is no such thing as Pre-DA that someone made this name up to replace the name of Cup gold and Kha red ?

is there no affliation with the true DA ?

I am being told there is no affliation what so ever except in a made up name?

Again smoke and mirrors !

What a Joke !

Uhmmm...hold on. In Buckie's defense, there really isn't a "Pre-DA" from the US Soccer perspective. Each Club can call their reserve team whatever they want. BP/Tiff used "Pre-DA" to make it attractive to contenders who might consider jumping to OE. The official name now in this area is "CDA Premier".

So everyone keep your criticism and angry rants to a minimum. That's why some of you can't figure out if the ECNL teams of other DA clubs are the back-up/reserve teams of the DA of those clubs or if the two teams are made with different objectives in mind.
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Old 08-09-17, 07:10 AM
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With "same coaching" being the key phrase here.

HOWEVER..... In Cincinnati, the "Pre-DA" (or now called CDA Premier) has a very different coaching staff from the DA. They are NOT using the same coaching staff from the DA. It is NOT the same training environment. Time will tell if they are being trained in the same game styles / soccer development. My initial guess is they WILL NOT be because the Coaching staff from the DA is not involved with their training.
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Old 08-09-17, 08:16 AM
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My point exactly if you read the post !
Yes , there is a team called Pre-DA , Made up by BP & Tiff
But US Soccer does not have anything to do with or sponsor anything other than the DA Teams.

Stop trying to make parents believe the Pre-DA has something to do with US Soccer because it does Not !

Don't be fooled ! The Pre-DA only exist in a made up name ?
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Old 08-09-17, 09:10 AM
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My point exactly if you read the post !
Yes , there is a team called Pre-DA , Made up by BP & Tiff
But US Soccer does not have anything to do with or sponsor anything other than the DA Teams.

Stop trying to make parents believe the Pre-DA has something to do with US Soccer because it does Not !

Don't be fooled ! The Pre-DA only exist in a made up name ?
Again, you seriously need to educate yourself and stop letting your hatred fuel everything you see. Pre-DA is not some conspiracatorial term CUP or KH or anyone involved with either club came up with to fool people. While it's not an official part of the Devolopmemt Academy it is linked to the DA teams within clubs. It is the next team the club uses as a pool to identify DP, or developmental players. Those are players that aren't official DA players but are allowed to play in up to 6 DA games. At times you will find both individual DP's as well as pre-da teams training with the DA teams in training sessions, freindlies, etc. The Developmental Players aspect IS an official part of the Developmental Academy program.

As I said, Pre-DA, or pre-academy as it's usually called, is a term used by many DA clubs on the boys side to identify their next level team after the DA team. It's not something new. There are hundreds of pre-academy teams across the country. I'm sure there were even some at this recent national championship. And it's definitely not some kind of trickery as you love to make everything out to be. If you had attended ANY of the CUP parent meetings over the past year or so to discuss and inform people about the DA, you would know all of this.

As much as you hate CUP I wouldn't expect you to ever attend a meeting. So instead I'd encourage you to go to the USDA website and read up on the DA for yourself. They have all of this info and much more just sitting there waiting to be read. They even go so far as to publicly lay out how matches are supposed to be set up and played down to where and how the water stand is supposed to be set up.

Go on, feel free to educate yourself. I double dog dare ya.
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Old 08-09-17, 09:14 AM
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http://tournaments.usyouthsoccer.org...ys/Division+1/

Hey, look at that. Went straight to the national championship tournament page and the first age group I clicked on had a pre-academy team in it. Ain't that some .....! And they were the champs! Must be CUP up to their same old dirty tricks again!!!
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Old 08-09-17, 10:24 AM
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Not trying to knock Pre-Da or CUP here, but does anyone know where Pre-DA will play this spring, and where CUP Gold will play?
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Pre-Da will play in National League. Cup Gold will play in MRL.
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Old 08-10-17, 06:52 AM
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Pre-Da will play in National League. Cup Gold will play in MRL.
Thank you
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Old 08-10-17, 07:12 AM
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Remember gold is basically a combo of black and silver now. The pre DA is a shell of Gold and Red. They are allowed to hold their spots in both leagues for a year. As they are telling them this is the same team. Oh how wrong they are.

Remember a month ago when I said Tiff took BP to school on destroying CUP while protecting her own club, and her DA?

Hmmmm, how about that. Right again.....
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Old 08-10-17, 07:55 AM
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Remember gold is basically a combo of black and silver now. The pre DA is a shell of Gold and Red. They are allowed to hold their spots in both leagues for a year. As they are telling them this is the same team. Oh how wrong they are.

Remember a month ago when I said Tiff took BP to school on destroying CUP while protecting her own club, and her DA?

Hmmmm, how about that. Right again.....
I think we are all missing something. The Cincinnati DA is a combination of CU and Kings Hammer. Both clubs combined to form a new elite club. They both sacrificed their own top teams to form the DA. I wonder how the ownership/board for the DA is structured and what both clubs are getting out of this on an individual basis.
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Old 08-10-17, 11:30 AM
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I think we are all missing something. The Cincinnati DA is a combination of CU and Kings Hammer. Both clubs combined to form a new elite club. They both sacrificed their own top teams to form the DA. I wonder how the ownership/board for the DA is structured and what both clubs are getting out of this on an individual basis.
Who says they are getting anything directly. Indirectly I think players may come over to the clubs that run DA in the hope of making a DA Team.
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Old 08-10-17, 11:39 AM
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PRE-DA , Pre-Academy Pre- Whatever has nothing to do with the Ture US Soccer DA !
Show us all the link from US soccer that says anything about them supporting the Pre-DA or even suggesting that clubs form a PRE-DA team?

Anyplayer from any team within that club can play up to six DA games !

PRE-DA teams do not play other So called Pre-DA teams like the DA does.

these are what is left of the Cup Gold and the KHA Red teams End of story !

they still play in the normal leagues just like everyone else.

Good question how does the DA teams help either of these two clubs ?
Basically got suckered into doing the work for US Soccer with NO Return ?
Bragging rights ? that is funny stuff
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Old 08-10-17, 11:51 AM
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Show us all the link from US soccer that says anything about them supporting the Pre-DA or even suggesting that clubs form a PRE-DA team?
Reading is Fundamental.

http://www.ussoccerda.com/overview-academy-structure
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It’s simple CUP/KHA had to do something to compete in the market place. OE had the ECNL and the national league was a viable option for both clubs until the DA was announced. Once the DA was announced the national league became a 3RD tier league by default. With both clubs backs against the wall they had to do something to continue to push the agenda of coaching/fielding top teams and leagues. Both knew they could not get into the DA by themselves so they did what they had to do.

No one could have foreseen what would happen after making the announcement and getting selected into the DA. Kids and parents spoke and to everyone’s surprise they chose high school over the allure of the national team promises from BP. After a LOT of the kids left CUP/KHA for OE BP realized that the ship had sailed and now was the time to look for greener pastures. Say what you want about the guy but he is a hell of a recruiter/coach and was the best thing that happened to CUP in the last decade. I cannot see how this ends well for CUP/KHA unless a full merger takes place.

In regards to the PRE DA it is a glorified 2nd team. The Pre DA is not affiliated with the DA Academy. This is the new CUP Black/ KHA Blue just accept it for what it is. Change is hard and this is what had to happen for these big clubs to survive.
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It’s simple CUP/KHA had to do something to compete in the market place. OE had the ECNL and the national league was a viable option for both clubs until the DA was announced. Once the DA was announced the national league became a 3RD tier league by default. With both clubs backs against the wall they had to do something to continue to push the agenda of coaching/fielding top teams and leagues. Both knew they could not get into the DA by themselves so they did what they had to do.

No one could have foreseen what would happen after making the announcement and getting selected into the DA. Kids and parents spoke and to everyone’s surprise they chose high school over the allure of the national team promises from BP. After a LOT of the kids left CUP/KHA for OE BP realized that the ship had sailed and now was the time to look for greener pastures. Say what you want about the guy but he is a hell of a recruiter/coach and was the best thing that happened to CUP in the last decade. I cannot see how this ends well for CUP/KHA unless a full merger takes place.

In regards to the PRE DA it is a glorified 2nd team. The Pre DA is not affiliated with the DA Academy. This is the new CUP Black/ KHA Blue just accept it for what it is. Change is hard and this is what had to happen for these big clubs to survive.
That's a big tasty cup of truth right there. Pun intended. Parents are mad, players mad, coaches mad. Almost done...thank god.
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