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Old 08-02-17, 11:55 AM
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.500 Year for the vikings maybe 6-4 we shall see, very young with good numbers lots of athletes . both lines will need some help with numbers and size . just my views from the side of the road .
Princeton's offense could be very good. The big question will be if the line can stay healthy. They have loads of experienced skill players and picked up a transfer receiver from Walnut who's committed to Miami.
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Old 08-02-17, 12:42 PM
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Princeton made good strides last year with a good football coach. Now I think they are back to we'll see, can they block, can they play solid defense, etc.????
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Old 08-02-17, 12:47 PM
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Fairfield is a team that can challenge Colerain every season. Sycamore will be able to challenge in certain years. I don't know what to think about Mason, seems like they should win a few more top level games. The Lakota's will never go anywhere with their current staffs. Hamilton is improving each year under Murphy, we'll see if it continues. Middletown has turned into a joke and Oak Hills should join the league with Harrison. The Cards are King of the Hill until knocked off but at the expense of the rest of the other male sports at Colerain.
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Fairfield is a team that can challenge Colerain every season.
FF has not had a quality game against Colerain in atleast the last 15 yrs... closest game may have been back in '02 maybe... a 21-7 Loss
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Old 08-03-17, 09:33 AM
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The Cards are King of the Hill until knocked off but at the expense of the rest of the other male sports at Colerain.
Way to slide that in there at the end.

Please explain your comment. How exactly does football prevent the boys soccer team or track team from being better? I could argue, very convincingly, that if it were not for the training received during football season, many of our male sports wouldn't be as successful as they have been. (SEE GMC Long Jump champion Keontae Jones).

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Old 08-03-17, 09:37 AM
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FF has not had a quality game against Colerain in atleast the last 15 yrs... closest game may have been back in '02 maybe... a 21-7 Loss
This is sadly the absolute truth.

Colerain is 18-3 All-Time vs. Fairfield with 2 of those 3 losses coming in 1936 and 1973.

Since Colerain started "The Streak" in the 2000 season, Colerain is 13-0 vs. Fairfield with an average margin of victory of....and I'm not kidding...37.3 pts/game.

That has to change this year, doesn't it??

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Old 08-03-17, 11:30 AM
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Fairfield-Colerain series

My research on the Fairfield-Colerain series came up with the following:

Colerain leads 17-5

1935, Fairfield 13-6
1936, Fairfield 20-6
1973, Fairfield 29-10
1974, Colerain 22-21
1995, Fairfield by forfeit (Colerain won 33-7 on the field)
1996, Colerain 37-0
1997, Colerain 34-0
1998, Colerain 34-31
1999, Fairfield 38-7
2000, Colerain 34-28
2002, Colerain 21-7
2003, Colerain 55-7
2004, Colerain 56-14
2006, Colerain 51-0
2007, Colerain 54-0
2008, Colerain 52-14
2010, Colerain 44-7
2011, Colerain 56-0
2012, Colerain 65-6
2014, Colerain 24-7
2015, Colerain 35-0
2016, Colerain 28-0
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My research on the Fairfield-Colerain series came up with the following:

Colerain leads 17-5

1935, Fairfield 13-6
1936, Fairfield 20-6
1973, Fairfield 29-10
1974, Colerain 22-21
1995, Fairfield by forfeit (Colerain won 33-7 on the field)
1996, Colerain 37-0
1997, Colerain 34-0
1998, Colerain 34-31
1999, Fairfield 38-7
2000, Colerain 34-28
2002, Colerain 21-7
2003, Colerain 55-7
2004, Colerain 56-14
2006, Colerain 51-0
2007, Colerain 54-0
2008, Colerain 52-14
2010, Colerain 44-7
2011, Colerain 56-0
2012, Colerain 65-6
2014, Colerain 24-7
2015, Colerain 35-0
2016, Colerain 28-0
I did not have that 1935 contest. More than happy to add that to the "official" record. Where did you get it?

Other discrepancies - what I show:
1973 - 28-10 FF, not 29
1995 - 31-7 COL, not 33...and it was a win on the field so I count it as such. Ivan Pace didn't make a 24 point difference.

Adding in the loss in 1935, plus you counting 1995 as a loss, makes our records match.



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I did not have that 1935 contest. More than happy to add that to the "official" record. Where did you get it?

Other discrepancies - what I show:
1973 - 28-10 FF, not 29
1995 - 31-7 COL, not 33...and it was a win on the field so I count it as such. Ivan Pace didn't make a 24 point difference.

Adding in the loss in 1935, plus you counting 1995 as a loss, makes our records match.



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I put together a Fairfield record book several years ago (and update and reprint it annually) through Hamilton Journal-News files and microfilm dating back to the beginning of Fairfield's program in 1934.

The forfeit, I would tend to agree with you. But it's still officially a win for Fairfield, so I have to list it that way.

I will go back to the microfilm later today and doublecheck the scores in 1973 and 1995. I was so bleary-eyed from the days and weeks the research took that minor mistakes are certainly possible.
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Old 08-03-17, 01:04 PM
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I put together a Fairfield record book several years ago (and update and reprint it annually) through Hamilton Journal-News files and microfilm dating back to the beginning of Fairfield's program in 1934.

The forfeit, I would tend to agree with you. But it's still officially a win for Fairfield, so I have to list it that way.

I will go back to the microfilm later today and doublecheck the scores in 1973 and 1995. I was so bleary-eyed from the days and weeks the research took that minor mistakes are certainly possible.
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Old 08-03-17, 04:21 PM
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I see Fairfield getting to the place where they will be very good every season. They got it going with Dattillo then he left and they regressed. Krauss has them back on track and I see them being consistently good moving forward. The Colerain comment was more about how football has impacted basketball. I don't claim to have anything better than second information that for a long time if an athlete wanted to play football and basketball the football summer training ruled everything and the coaches didn't work together. I could be wrong??
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I did not have that 1935 contest. More than happy to add that to the "official" record. Where did you get it?

Other discrepancies - what I show:
1973 - 28-10 FF, not 29
1995 - 31-7 COL, not 33...and it was a win on the field so I count it as such. Ivan Pace didn't make a 24 point difference.

Adding in the loss in 1935, plus you counting 1995 as a loss, makes our records match.



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Microfilm doublechecking is done. The Journal-News had a reporter at each game. Here are the box scores:

Nov. 2, 1973
At Colerain
Fairfield 29, Colerain 10
Fairfield 8-0-14-7--29
Colerain 7-3-0-0--10
C: Pete Windhorst 6 run (John Feldhaus kick)
F: Rick Hyde 64 run (Hyde pass from Kevin Bokeno)
C: Feldhaus 33 field goal
F: Bokeno 6 run (Hyde run)
F: Mike Smith 45 interception return (Pass failed)
F: Tim Oldfield 1 run (Charlie Bearden kick)

Sept. 8, 1995
At Fairfield
Colerain 33, Fairfield 7
Colerain 7-7-6-13--33
Fairfield 0-7-0-0--7
C: Ronnie Alexander 5 run (Casey Sherz kick)
F: Nick Winters 71 pass from Shaun Shanklin (Todd Apgar kick)
C: David Murphy 5 run (Sherz kick)
C: Alexander 1 run (Run failed)
C: Alexander 10 run (Kick failed)
C: Alexander 6 run (Sherz kick)

NOTE: Fairfield's 13-6 win over Colerain in 1935 was the program's first victory and points. The Indians were 0-4 and got outscored 316-0 in 1934 and got shut out 70-0 in their first two games in 1935.
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Old 08-03-17, 04:52 PM
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I see Fairfield getting to the place where they will be very good every season. They got it going with Dattillo then he left and they regressed. Krauss has them back on track and I see them being consistently good moving forward.
CR I took your earlier FF comment to mean from this year going forward because as others have pointed out the last time that the Indians were competitive with Colerain in football was 1999 - 2002. I think (hope?) that you are right about FF finally getting to the next level in football but they need a couple of playoff wins and a GMC championship to truly say that they've arrived. Ultimately you have to do it on the field and "potential" is just another word for not having accomplished much yet.

I know that here in FF we're in the midst of a stream of talent coming up through the grades which is stronger than anything I can remember seeing since the State Championship year. Not only are there several high profile D1 college recruits this year but the classes are very strong all the way back to the 7th grade. Clearly coach Krause has the program in the right place now and it's fair to expect that FF will legitimately challenge for the GMC title and make the playoffs on a regular basis over the next few years.

One final note, the two events that really shook the football program to its core earlier in the century was the loss of coach Datillo after the 2005 season and the cancelling of athletics as a result of the levy failure in 2004. It took the arrival of coach Krause to turn things around after those two screw-ups.
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Fairfield

Fairfield looking to take next step

http://www.journal-news.com/sports/p...Jfxa28TJwfI7I/
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Fairfield looking to take next step

http://www.journal-news.com/sports/p...Jfxa28TJwfI7I/
Nice article on FF football SWOG17! Thanks for posting a link.
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Old 08-03-17, 10:26 PM
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Microfilm doublechecking is done. The Journal-News had a reporter at each game. Here are the box scores:

Nov. 2, 1973
At Colerain
Fairfield 29, Colerain 10
Fairfield 8-0-14-7--29
Colerain 7-3-0-0--10
C: Pete Windhorst 6 run (John Feldhaus kick)
F: Rick Hyde 64 run (Hyde pass from Kevin Bokeno)
C: Feldhaus 33 field goal
F: Bokeno 6 run (Hyde run)
F: Mike Smith 45 interception return (Pass failed)
F: Tim Oldfield 1 run (Charlie Bearden kick)

Sept. 8, 1995
At Fairfield
Colerain 33, Fairfield 7
Colerain 7-7-6-13--33
Fairfield 0-7-0-0--7
C: Ronnie Alexander 5 run (Casey Sherz kick)
F: Nick Winters 71 pass from Shaun Shanklin (Todd Apgar kick)
C: David Murphy 5 run (Sherz kick)
C: Alexander 1 run (Run failed)
C: Alexander 10 run (Kick failed)
C: Alexander 6 run (Sherz kick)

NOTE: Fairfield's 13-6 win over Colerain in 1935 was the program's first victory and points. The Indians were 0-4 and got outscored 316-0 in 1934 and got shut out 70-0 in their first two games in 1935.
Great work!!!

I will make sure my records reflect your research.

Thanks!
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Old 08-04-17, 08:39 AM
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CR I took your earlier FF comment to mean from this year going forward because as others have pointed out the last time that the Indians were competitive with Colerain in football was 1999 - 2002. I think (hope?) that you are right about FF finally getting to the next level in football but they need a couple of playoff wins and a GMC championship to truly say that they've arrived. Ultimately you have to do it on the field and "potential" is just another word for not having accomplished much yet.

I know that here in FF we're in the midst of a stream of talent coming up through the grades which is stronger than anything I can remember seeing since the State Championship year. Not only are there several high profile D1 college recruits this year but the classes are very strong all the way back to the 7th grade. Clearly coach Krause has the program in the right place now and it's fair to expect that FF will legitimately challenge for the GMC title and make the playoffs on a regular basis over the next few years.

One final note, the two events that really shook the football program to its core earlier in the century was the loss of coach Datillo after the 2005 season and the cancelling of athletics as a result of the levy failure in 2004. It took the arrival of coach Krause to turn things around after those two screw-ups.
The 1998, 1999 and 2000 games, shall we call them the Early Haynes Odyssey, were games that saw Colerain go 2-1 but could have easily gone 0-3.

The 1998 game was a classic seesaw Cardiac Cards game that we saw so many of that year. One of my favorite plays was a Colerain fumble that bounced up and forward a few yards that was scooped up by another Colerain player and ran in. It came down to a late field goal to send the Colerain faithful home happy.

The 1999 game was arguably the worst loss Colerain football has had at the hands of a fellow public school (heck even any school) in at least the past 20 years. It was fairly tight in the first quarter then the Indians rolled. The only Colerain score came with only minutes left in the 4th quarter. One could argue that it was Colerain's worst team in this span of history and Fairfield's best but on that day FHS beat them up and down and won with authority.

The 2000 game was another classic showdown that matched up an undefeated Colerain against a strong Fairfield team that I believe went on to beat Moeller in the first round of the playoffs. The details are not as clear for me on this game but I do remember Colerain needing a late defensive stop to wrap up the win on their way to an undefeated regular season, Region 4 championship and a heartbreaking, reverse across the field run leading to defeat against Upper Arlington in the State Semis.

To this point in history Colerain had only completed 4 seasons in the GMC, having won 2 titles in that time. If you would have told me that the 2000 season would have been the bookend to the amazing run that is pushing 20 years now I don't know if I would have believed it back then.

Personally, I would rather see tight, back and forth games every week as long as my team wins . In all seriousness though, I welcome another GMC member to rise up to challenge against the GCL schools. Fairfield seems to have the talent and coaching to reach that level. I also was able to see their new facilities up close and personal now that the new Central Elementary is wrapping into shape. That new parking lot outside of the stadium should make for a great new atmosphere for game day. The new stadium (sans the visitors side ) is beautiful and I would say is now the gold standard in the GMC or maybe 1a with 1b being Hamilton. Come on LOTR, get your buddies together and squeeze Jungle Jim to spring for a new visitors section! He can set up his own fru fru snack bar over there if that's what it takes to send those stands back to whatever Eastern Bloc country they came from!
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Quite a bit of information about past Colerain vs FF games. Appreciate all of it, my only point is it appears FF is on the upswing and has talent in multiple classes. Not questioning Cardinal dominance.
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Quite a bit of information about past Colerain vs FF games. Appreciate all of it, my only point is it appears FF is on the upswing and has talent in multiple classes. Not questioning Cardinal dominance.
Well I think something that is going to help Fairfield grow that talent even more honestly is the creation of the two middle schools starting this fall with Creekside and Crossroads (I believe) having each their own team.

I've always had the understanding (just by what I read on here) that the Indians were strong to very strong at the middle school level.

However I would guess a decent amount of players had limited action beyond the starters since there was such a large middle school. They may not be as strong since the talent pool is now shared between two schools but I would think that is going to help them out when those players reunite at the freshman level on up. Why? Depth. With more players getting more playing time you will be able to give more live game action and experience, having more battle tested players to pull from starting with freshman ball.

Maybe it won't make a bit of difference but I'm a believer that there is no substitute for experience.
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Fairfield's Jr. High programs have been really good the past few years. The word is that they are only playing 1 jr. high team this season despite having two schools. Don't know what the numbers are. Rumor has it that a few other jr. high teams are discussing combining. Not sure if numbers are down across the board. With only 8 minute quarters, it will be hard to give kids a lot of playing time.
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The 1998, 1999 and 2000 games, shall we call them the Early Haynes Odyssey, were games that saw Colerain go 2-1 but could have easily gone 0-3.

The 1998 game was a classic seesaw Cardiac Cards game that we saw so many of that year. One of my favorite plays was a Colerain fumble that bounced up and forward a few yards that was scooped up by another Colerain player and ran in. It came down to a late field goal to send the Colerain faithful home happy.

The 1999 game was arguably the worst loss Colerain football has had at the hands of a fellow public school (heck even any school) in at least the past 20 years. It was fairly tight in the first quarter then the Indians rolled. The only Colerain score came with only minutes left in the 4th quarter. One could argue that it was Colerain's worst team in this span of history and Fairfield's best but on that day FHS beat them up and down and won with authority.

The 2000 game was another classic showdown that matched up an undefeated Colerain against a strong Fairfield team that I believe went on to beat Moeller in the first round of the playoffs. The details are not as clear for me on this game but I do remember Colerain needing a late defensive stop to wrap up the win on their way to an undefeated regular season, Region 4 championship and a heartbreaking, reverse across the field run leading to defeat against Upper Arlington in the State Semis.

To this point in history Colerain had only completed 4 seasons in the GMC, having won 2 titles in that time. If you would have told me that the 2000 season would have been the bookend to the amazing run that is pushing 20 years now I don't know if I would have believed it back then.

Personally, I would rather see tight, back and forth games every week as long as my team wins . In all seriousness though, I welcome another GMC member to rise up to challenge against the GCL schools. Fairfield seems to have the talent and coaching to reach that level. I also was able to see their new facilities up close and personal now that the new Central Elementary is wrapping into shape. That new parking lot outside of the stadium should make for a great new atmosphere for game day. The new stadium (sans the visitors side ) is beautiful and I would say is now the gold standard in the GMC or maybe 1a with 1b being Hamilton. Come on LOTR, get your buddies together and squeeze Jungle Jim to spring for a new visitors section! He can set up his own fru fru snack bar over there if that's what it takes to send those stands back to whatever Eastern Bloc country they came from!
That's my recollections of the 1998, 1999 & 2000 games as well. Earl Haynes was a special talent at RB. And yes, in 2000 FF the #8 seed went on to beat Moeller (#1 seed) in the first round of the playoffs 14 - 7 then lost the next week by a TD to Elder at Barnitz Stadium.

As I've driven by the tear down of the two schools on rt 4 it amazes me how quickly these contractors can erase buildings from existence! But you're right that a whole lot of new parking has been freed up and the stadium will now get to use it's fancy main entrance! I can't promise any improvements for the visitors section but I've done my share for the remodel on the side that I sit on! I can report that they did at least put new concrete down in front of the visitors bleachers.

As an aside, I think the two best things about the stadium rebuild were the end zone band/student section which really does rock on game night and the team/administration building at the north end of the stadium. The team building which has locker rooms, coaches offices, weight lifting and meeting rooms is really nice and allows the program to gather all in one place away from the hustle & bustle of the high school.

The only sad thing is we lost our historic pissing trough in the men's room. But I guess that's the price of progress!
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Well I think something that is going to help Fairfield grow that talent even more honestly is the creation of the two middle schools starting this fall with Creekside and Crossroads (I believe) having each their own team.

I've always had the understanding (just by what I read on here) that the Indians were strong to very strong at the middle school level.

However I would guess a decent amount of players had limited action beyond the starters since there was such a large middle school. They may not be as strong since the talent pool is now shared between two schools but I would think that is going to help them out when those players reunite at the freshman level on up. Why? Depth. With more players getting more playing time you will be able to give more live game action and experience, having more battle tested players to pull from starting with freshman ball.

Maybe it won't make a bit of difference but I'm a believer that there is no substitute for experience.
Another challenge FF has faced is "losing" kids to private schools. With it's central location it's convenient for family's to choose among a number of outstanding options including Badin, CHCA, LaSalle & X. Coach Krause has done a nice job of keeping football players in the district. FF is also open enrollment but my sense is we get more kids from outside entering the district to participate in the various music programs then athletics. FF offers an outstanding music education.
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The only sad thing is we lost our historic pissing trough in the men's room. But I guess that's the price of progress!
Man, they could have at least turned that piece of history into a planter box or something lol!
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Old 08-06-17, 06:19 AM
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I think Mason's defense this year could be one of the best in the city.
However the offense needs to step it up or they won't be able to score many points. Good RBs but QB is the ?
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I think Mason's defense this year could be one of the best in the city.
However the offense needs to step it up or they won't be able to score many points. Good RBs but QB is the ?
Hasn't that been the case the past couple years? Are they sticking with same offense?
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Just saw a story about a former Mason football player going to jail for 3-15 years. Does anyone have any background info on this player and or this story?
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Old 08-06-17, 09:46 AM
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Did he have problems at Mason?
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He allegedly raped a girl while at Mason. Allegedly some of the coaching staff at Mason talking to the girl and convinced her not to press charges. Allegedly. Then when the Western Michigan coaches asked Castner about the thug, Castner painted him as a choirboy. One thing that isn't in doubt, Castner is still the Head Coach.
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Old 08-06-17, 10:54 PM
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So I guess Harambe was on the phone or in on the messages with Western Michigan? Don't use this situation to grind your axe.
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Old 08-08-17, 08:46 AM
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Only saw a couple of scrimmage schedules posted. Come on GMC fans!! We are 17 days away from the season kicking off...where's the excitement!!

Did I see that Middletown and Centerville are scrimmaging each other this morning?? Any other Tuesday scrimmages?

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