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Old 11-12-17, 08:16 PM
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Here’s how some people think private schools “recruit”:
“Hey we saw you play in the city championship and we will need a QB. Come to our school and we’ll knock a few thousand off tuition”

Here’s how private schools actually “recruit”:
“hey come check out our open house and see if you like the school” and/or “hey we have a program where you can shadow a current student to see how a typical school day is here”.

Private schools have to “recruit” students to stay afloat. They don’t, however, “recruit” individual athletes.
How private schools recruit.

Better kids
Better teachers
Better schools
Better life
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Old 11-12-17, 09:00 PM
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1996, Lima beat my senior class. That one still burns 20 years later, especially the method that caused the winning drive
How did the winning drive go down? '96 was before my time.
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Old 11-12-17, 09:15 PM
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How did the winning drive go down? '96 was before my time.
just a little bit of holding here and there
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Old 11-12-17, 09:18 PM
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Per OHSAA site:

Maximum expenses to be paid for Regional and State Finals including travel, lodging, meals etc. are as follows:

Party of 16 plus actual number of players on team equal 80.
Additionally schools are allowed 8 cheerleaders, 1 mascot and 1 Sponsor.

http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/football/playoffs-info
Click on "Regional Team Expense Form" to open Excel spreadsheet.



I suppose additional persons would be allowed but would not be reimbursed.
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Old 11-12-17, 10:33 PM
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In an era of decreased interest in football due to concussion fears and in an era of recruitment (cheating) by non-public schools (actually this has been going on for decades), is it time for the OHSAA to cap rosters at a number - say 50-60?

On the college level, away or travel teams do not travel 100 strong and are able to compete just fine. It just seems that public schools are at a disadvantage and this was the case before concussion fears have come to the conscious of families.

In the case of St.X versus Sycamore, when St.X dresses 108 and Sycamore dresses 48, there just seems to be an unfairness factor there and I know, not all 108 play. The playing field is not level.

On the issue of fairness, I am a Republican and a capitalist, I get it - life is not fair, there are winners and losers, but in this case, there is fundamentally not a level playing field.

To those saying its a great recruitment tool, I say a cap would be a greater incentive for JV players to get to dress rather than having it handed to them.

Since 2000, there has only been 4 public school winners.

Year - Winner, Runner-up
2016 - Cincinnati St. Xavier 27, Cleveland St. Ignatius 20
2015 - Lakewood St. Edward 45, Huber Heights Wayne 35
2014 - Lakewood St. Edward 31, Huber Heights Wayne 21
2013 - Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller 55, Mentor 52
2012 - Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller 20, Toledo Whitmer 12
2011 - Cleveland St. Ignatius 34, Pickerington Central 13
2010 - Lakewood St. Edward 35, Huber Heights Wayne 28
2009 - Hilliard Davidson 16, Cleveland Glenville 15
2008 - Cleveland St. Ignatius 28, Cincinnati Elder 20
2007 - Cincinnati St. Xavier 27, Mentor 0
2006 - Hilliard Davidson 36, Mentor 35 (2OT)
2005 - Cincinnati St. Xavier 24, Massillon Washington 17
2004 - Cincinnati Colerain 50, Canton McKinley 10
2003 - Cincinnati Elder 31, Lakewood St. Edward 7
2002 - Cincinnati Elder 21, Warren Harding 19
2001 - Cleveland St. Ignatius 37, Cincinnati St. Xavier 6
2000 - Upper Arlington 15, Solon 9

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Ok......I give up....what public school that you support lost to a private school on Friday?
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Old 11-13-17, 01:04 AM
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Ok......I give up....what public school that you support lost to a private school on Friday?
Pretty obvious— doesn’t take a genius — or Hercule Poirot— to figure it out— he’s a Sycamore supporter.
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Old 11-13-17, 01:07 AM
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I think X should have all 300+ guys in the program dress and stand on the sideline just to piss people off.
I would love to see this- awesome post!
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Old 11-13-17, 05:19 AM
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I would love to see this- awesome post!
The get-back coach would need a little help......maybe a basketball team of get-back coaches....
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Old 11-13-17, 05:53 AM
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Because some kids don't want to participate other shouldn't be allowed to. Brilliant.

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Old 11-13-17, 06:03 AM
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1996, Lima beat my senior class. That one still burns 20 years later, especially the method that caused the winning drive
A couple months after the game I asked Coach Rush if he knew going into the game that they could beat Iggy's corners deep for a touchdown anytime they wanted to. He said yes.

We sat there the whole first half saying, "Throw the fade." Why they waited so long I've never understood.
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Old 11-13-17, 07:32 AM
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No, the same amount of kids would participate, just they do not dress, unless on the varsity roster.

But I see your point, maybe the whole allure for a crappy JV player to actually play is to dress on Friday night. I get it, but there seems to be a disparity.

For the schools that can dress 100, I do not think it would decrease the interest in participation. If anything, it would incentivize those "on the bubble" to dress for Friday nights.
Thanks for bringing up the discussion point. That being said, I don't care if the entire school dresses for the game. Some coaches think that is actually a distraction. It may be easier to coach/manage 50 kids that have a chance to play.

There is a change that could happen that would fix the numbers game. The privates always imply they are education first and that they advertise academics and that quality in sports is a by product of that environment. A proposal would be that they continue to have open borders for non athletic students but have a restricted area to recruit for students that want to be in sports. Maybe within 8 miles from their school. This would level the playing field, "if that is your goal".

From a personal perspective I would propose leave it as it is. My kids and I grew up competing under the current set up. It teaches you how to compete in the business world where there are no bounderies or rules. We may not have won a state title by being part of a select team but we learned how to compete against the best. This in part has allowed many of us that are products of the public school process to be quite successful.

Okay, let the ripping begin.
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Old 11-13-17, 08:32 AM
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I'm just trying to figure out how Sycamore dressed 48? There are D6 teams with more than 48 kids on the team...
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Old 11-13-17, 08:41 AM
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In an era of decreased interest in football due to concussion fears and in an era of recruitment (cheating) by non-public schools (actually this has been going on for decades), is it time for the OHSAA to cap rosters at a number - say 50-60?

On the college level, away or travel teams do not travel 100 strong and are able to compete just fine. It just seems that public schools are at a disadvantage and this was the case before concussion fears have come to the conscious of families.

In the case of St.X versus Sycamore, when St.X dresses 108 and Sycamore dresses 48, there just seems to be an unfairness factor there and I know, not all 108 play. The playing field is not level.

On the issue of fairness, I am a Republican and a capitalist, I get it - life is not fair, there are winners and losers, but in this case, there is fundamentally not a level playing field.

To those saying its a great recruitment tool, I say a cap would be a greater incentive for JV players to get to dress rather than having it handed to them.

Since 2000, there has only been 4 public school winners.

Year - Winner, Runner-up
2016 - Cincinnati St. Xavier 27, Cleveland St. Ignatius 20
2015 - Lakewood St. Edward 45, Huber Heights Wayne 35
2014 - Lakewood St. Edward 31, Huber Heights Wayne 21
2013 - Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller 55, Mentor 52
2012 - Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller 20, Toledo Whitmer 12
2011 - Cleveland St. Ignatius 34, Pickerington Central 13
2010 - Lakewood St. Edward 35, Huber Heights Wayne 28
2009 - Hilliard Davidson 16, Cleveland Glenville 15
2008 - Cleveland St. Ignatius 28, Cincinnati Elder 20
2007 - Cincinnati St. Xavier 27, Mentor 0
2006 - Hilliard Davidson 36, Mentor 35 (2OT)
2005 - Cincinnati St. Xavier 24, Massillon Washington 17
2004 - Cincinnati Colerain 50, Canton McKinley 10
2003 - Cincinnati Elder 31, Lakewood St. Edward 7
2002 - Cincinnati Elder 21, Warren Harding 19
2001 - Cleveland St. Ignatius 37, Cincinnati St. Xavier 6
2000 - Upper Arlington 15, Solon 9

Thoughts?
LOL

this is the worst thread i've seen in a while
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Old 11-13-17, 09:36 AM
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No I am not concerned how it appears to fans or for the opposing team for that matter.

I think its resources, if a private all boys school, who probably recruits, is able to dress 108 there is a strong likelihood that they will have more players to choose from during the game, as they probably should, it's an all-boys school that recruits.

In the case of a public school that dresses 50 let's say, probably only 35 or so play and are the core of the team.

My point is there should be a cap to level playing field. In the case of a large private school, if they have 70 contributors lets say, but are only able to dress 60 of them, this levels the playing field.
How is dressing more kids (who are not going to play) an unfair advantage?? Is it because it might be demoralizing to a public school who looks across at 100 players dressed and ready to go. Is it because when you played you crapped your pants and gave up when you looked across at Moeller/St. Eds/St. X (fill in with whatever D1 private school scared you)?
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Old 11-13-17, 10:03 AM
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This thread is ridiculous.
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Old 11-13-17, 11:02 AM
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In the case of St.X versus Sycamore, when St.X dresses 108 and Sycamore dresses 48, there just seems to be an unfairness factor there and I know, not all 108 play. The playing field is not level.
It's a good thing GoGreen may not realize that St. X only dresses a small number of sophomores that are good enough. If St. X dressed all their sophomores like most other schools they would have over 180 kids standing on the sidelines every week.
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Old 11-13-17, 11:06 AM
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It's a good thing GoGreen may not realize that St. X only dresses a small number of sophomores that are good enough. If St. X dressed all their sophomores like most other schools they would have over 180 kids standing on the sidelines every week.
I can remember playing ONE of St Ed's 2 freshman teams way back when. They brought 3 buses and must have had at least 80 kids.

I imagine some of these schools have close to 300 kids in their football programs
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Old 11-13-17, 11:54 AM
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Either way there GoGreen, the last thing on your head coach's mind was how many kids were dressed for St. X.......Your coach is an Elder grad that is used to how things work with the GCL. I seriously doubt he would complain about this horsebleep.
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Old 11-13-17, 12:49 PM
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In order to make everything fair, the team with more players should be forced to cut down the roster to equal the number of players on the smaller team. That way, the starters will have to play longer, the point differential will increase, and the subs will get little time on the field. That would be fair.
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Old 11-13-17, 02:47 PM
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This thread is ridiculous.
Most sensible thing said yet!
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Old 11-13-17, 03:19 PM
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I pulled this from the most recent Colerain thread, since 2000, only four public schools have won the D1 State Title.
Is....is someone gonna point out that only 5 private schools have won D1 State Title in the same time frame? What's this guy's deal?
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Old 11-13-17, 03:23 PM
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In order to make everything fair, the team with more players should be forced to cut down the roster to equal the number of players on the smaller team. That way, the starters will have to play longer, the point differential will increase, and the subs will get little time on the field. That would be fair.
In addition, they would have to start the running clock in the 1st quarter in order to keep the score under 100.
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Old 11-13-17, 03:37 PM
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I have the solution. The private D1 schools can only dress 15. Eleven have to play old school iron man football. If they break a hand wrap it up and keep playing. The extra 4 are in case someone gets a concussion or a torn ACL. Every other injury, keep playing. The public school can dress as many as they want. This is only for the playoffs so we can reduce the butthurt.
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Old 11-13-17, 04:14 PM
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I'm curious as whether this Sycamore fan thought the same thing when his Aviators had the Bombers on the ropes in the Regional Final last year, but soiled themselves in the process of closing it out only to lose in OT.
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Old 11-13-17, 04:31 PM
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There can only be 11 players on the field for your team last I checked? Who cares how many they dress. If you are a kid and get to dress for a varsity football game. So be it.
If there are a 150 kids dressed I'm pretty sure Maybe. I mean Maybe. Only 35 will play at a max. Most teams will only play 20-25 players per game. If you have a small squad only 15 will play at average. Keep kids interested in football. Dress as many that wants to put the time in.
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Old 11-13-17, 05:34 PM
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From OHSAA:

The Division VI, Region 24 final will be played between Midwest Athletic Conference schools and perennial state powers Maria Stein Marion Local and Coldwater. These two programs have combined for 140 playoff wins and 15 state championships all-time, 11 of those titles coming since 2007. Both schools have made nine final four appearances in the last 10 years with Marion Local missing in 2010 and Coldwater missing in 2008.

Also from the MAC, Minster and Delphos St. John’s will meet in the Division VII, Region 28 final. The two schools have combined for 81 playoff wins and eight state championships all-time

Is it time to break up the MAC, or just cap their rosters?.
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Old 11-13-17, 05:37 PM
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The Division VI, Region 24 final will be played between Midwest Athletic Conference schools and perennial state powers Maria Stein Marion Local and Coldwater. These two programs have combined for 140 playoff wins and 15 state championships all-time, 11 of those titles coming since 2007. Both schools have made nine final four appearances in the last 10 years with Marion Local missing in 2010 and Coldwater missing in 2008.

Also from the MAC, Minster and Delphos St. John’s will meet in the Division VII, Region 28 final. The two schools have combined for 81 playoff wins and eight state championships all-time

Is it time to break up the MAC, or just cap their rosters?.
Neither... lol.
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Old 11-13-17, 09:09 PM
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Thanks for bringing up the discussion point. That being said, I don't care if the entire school dresses for the game. Some coaches think that is actually a distraction. It may be easier to coach/manage 50 kids that have a chance to play.

There is a change that could happen that would fix the numbers game. The privates always imply they are education first and that they advertise academics and that quality in sports is a by product of that environment. A proposal would be that they continue to have open borders for non athletic students but have a restricted area to recruit for students that want to be in sports. Maybe within 8 miles from their school. This would level the playing field, "if that is your goal".

From a personal perspective I would propose leave it as it is. My kids and I grew up competing under the current set up. It teaches you how to compete in the business world where there are no bounderies or rules. We may not have won a state title by being part of a select team but we learned how to compete against the best. This in part has allowed many of us that are products of the public school process to be quite successful.

Okay, let the ripping begin.
Yes-- this BRILLIANT solution (not at all discriminatory, is it-- you can go to school here, and pay full freight, and you can participate in any extra-curricular EXCEPT sports-- for some reason CardDad doesn't seem to mind if X's marching band uses far-flung "recruits" to outmarch and outperform Colerain's vaunted marching band-- only their football team) is already (partially) in place:

If you live in Kentucky or Indiana and attend X, you can no longer play sports for X-- the OHSAA changed this rule sometime after I graduated. When I was at X, we used to have a large contingent of students from KY (in most cases, because their fathers and grandfathers had attended the school, when the school was located in downtown Cincinnati, only "a block and a bridge" from Covington, KY-- many of these students had shorter commutes to the old X campus than most Ohio students did) and a few from Lawrenceburg, Indiana-- but now, with the new rules forbidding out-of-state students from playing sports for an Ohio HS, all of these kids (with multi-generational ties to X) cannot participate in sports at X.
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Old 11-13-17, 09:21 PM
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Yes-- this BRILLIANT solution (not at all discriminatory, is it-- you can go to school here, and pay full freight, and you can participate in any extra-curricular EXCEPT sports-- for some reason CardDad doesn't seem to mind if X's marching band uses far-flung "recruits" to outmarch and outperform Colerain's vaunted marching band-- only their football team) is already (partially) in place:

If you live in Kentucky or Indiana and attend X, you can no longer play sports for X-- the OHSAA changed this rule sometime after I graduated. When I was at X, we used to have a large contingent of students from KY (in most cases, because their fathers and grandfathers had attended the school, when the school was located in downtown Cincinnati, only "a block and a bridge" from Covington, KY-- many of these students had shorter commutes to the old X campus than most Ohio students did) and a few from Lawrenceburg, Indiana-- but now, with the new rules forbidding out-of-state students from playing sports for an Ohio HS, all of these kids (with multi-generational ties to X) cannot participate in sports at X.
I think it's pretty clear that he favors keeping everything the same. As for the out-of-state ban, you can thank Mr. Faust.
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Old 11-13-17, 09:28 PM
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I think it's pretty clear that he favors keeping everything the same. As for the out-of-state ban, you can thank Mr. Faust.
True-- he always had to OVERDO everything-- know the man well-- and he is a good man in many respects (who would try to do anything to help you, generally)-- but "all things in moderation" is a foreign phrase to him.
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