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Old 11-13-17, 10:03 PM
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I seriously think you have to by-pass the big ten this year. Wisky will get blitzed in the big ten championship game, and you simply can't overlook the two Buckeye beatdowns. Especially the Iowa game. Iowa has 4 losses. I think two SEC teams get in this year. There is just simply no way this can be overlooked...again.
Then again, the committee has one eye on the ratings and getting eyeballs to the TV. I just wish that would be stated instead of making excuses. Bucks should not have got in in '14 and of course we saw what happened last year.
Here's how the Buckeyes get in:
-Bama beats Auburn
-Bama beats UGA, Bama is in
-Miami beats Clemson, Miami is in
-Oklahoma wins out, Oklahoma is in
-Ohio State beats Wisconsin, Buckeyes are in

Granted Ohio State would have two losses, but who else would be deserving?
-Clemson would have two losses (one MUCH worse than either of Ohio State's)
-Georgia would have two losses
-Auburn would have three losses
-Wisconsin would have one loss to the only good team on their schedule
-Notre Dame would have two losses, maybe three to Stanford
-USC would have two losses, maybe three to Washington
-TCU two losses, maybe three losses
-Oklahoma State two losses, maybe three losses
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Old 11-14-17, 09:31 AM
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Bucks should not have got in in '14
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Old 11-14-17, 10:11 AM
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Every year we go through this same old kabuki theater routine of trying to rationally predict who will be in the college football playoffs! And even though I readily join in on the fun I know it's an impossible task. There is no rationality in chaos. The best way to deal with the insanity is to just watch the games over the next few weeks and let the chips fall where they might.
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Old 11-14-17, 10:23 AM
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in no particular order

Alabama SEC
Ohio State Big Ten
Clemson ACC
Oklahoma Big 12

The PAC 12 has no real candidate
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Old 11-14-17, 10:24 AM
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Here's how the Buckeyes get in:
-Bama beats Auburn
-Bama beats UGA, Bama is in
-Miami beats Clemson, Miami is in
-Oklahoma wins out, Oklahoma is in
-Ohio State beats Wisconsin, Buckeyes are in

Granted Ohio State would have two losses, but who else would be deserving?
-Clemson would have two losses (one MUCH worse than either of Ohio State's)
-Georgia would have two losses
-Auburn would have three losses
-Wisconsin would have one loss to the only good team on their schedule
-Notre Dame would have two losses, maybe three to Stanford
-USC would have two losses, maybe three to Washington
-TCU two losses, maybe three losses
-Oklahoma State two losses, maybe three losses
Been saying for weeks the Buckeyes are very much alive.

they and Bama are the only 2 teams that can get in with 2 losses

The BCS loves to suck off Saban and Meyer.
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Old 11-14-17, 09:40 PM
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Week 12 CFP Rankings
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Miami
4. Oklahoma
5. Wisconsin
6. Auburn
7. Georgia
8. Notre Dame
9. Ohio State
10. Penn State
11. USC
12. TCU
13. Oklahoma State
14. Washington State
15. UCF
16. Mississippi State
17. Michigan State
18. Washington
19. NC State
20. LSU
21. Memphis
22. Stanford
23. Northwestern
24. Michigan
25. Boise State
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Old 11-14-17, 09:53 PM
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If Alabama, Miami, Oklahoma, and OSU win out, the Buckeyes will be in. It will be tricky in any other scenario.
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Old 11-14-17, 10:16 PM
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Clemson at #2 over Miami and Oklahoma makes very little sense.
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Old 11-14-17, 10:23 PM
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Clemson has 7 wins against teams with winning records which is the most of anybody. That’s the reasoning the chairman gave.
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Old 11-15-17, 03:35 AM
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Just in case Buckeye fans, I have your double talk covered for you ahead of time, LOL

2016

1.) Head to head doesn't matter
2.) So what if you're the Big Ten Champ(you have two losses, we only have one)
3.) You don't deserve it, no deserving team gets blown out

2017

1.) Head to head DOES matter
2.) We're the Big Ten champs (so what if we have two losses and you only have one)
3.) We deserve it even though we got blown out TWICE
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Old 11-15-17, 05:12 AM
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A post last year from a Buckeye fan.....

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Other than Vamps and Crusaders, everyone else in America knows that OSU>Penn St. Everything else can be debated, that cannot.1.) The only thing that they are trying to hang their hat on is that Penn St beat OSU. 2.) But they forget about the slaughtering Penn St received from Michigan and the loss to Pitt. The sole fact that Penn St beat OSU does not make Penn St the better team anymore than OSU win over Michigan makes them the better team.3.) What makes OSU better than Michigan and Penn St is that they only have 1 loss vs those other teams 2 losses, not the individual head to head games. Penn St won that game, but any sensible college football follower knows that OSU is a better team. Anyone with half a brain knows that Penn St backed into the Big10 championship. The 4 best teams are in the final 4. Period.4.) You cannot lose 2 games and then argue that you should be in over no loss and 1 loss teams from power conferences. My God, what is so hard about this?

1.) change to Ohio State beat Wisconsin
2.) change to slaughtering Ohio St got from both Oklahoma and Iowa
3.) So you are saying if Ohio St. beats Wisconsin, that Wisconsin is still better because they only have one loss as opposed to Ohio State having two?
4.) Well are you going to be consistent in your logic, or try to change your narrative?, LOL
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Old 11-15-17, 05:18 AM
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Here's how the Buckeyes get in:
-Bama beats Auburn
-Bama beats UGA, Bama is in
-Miami beats Clemson, Miami is in
-Oklahoma wins out, Oklahoma is in
-Ohio State beats Wisconsin, Buckeyes are in

Granted Ohio State would have two losses, but who else would be deserving?
-Clemson would have two losses (one MUCH worse than either of Ohio State's)
-Georgia would have two losses
-Auburn would have three losses
-Wisconsin would have one loss to the only good team on their schedule (So Iowa isn't any good, 55-24 ring a bell?) Wisconsin beat them 38-14
-Notre Dame would have two losses, maybe three to Stanford
-USC would have two losses, maybe three to Washington
-TCU two losses, maybe three losses
-Oklahoma State two losses, maybe three losses
Iowa 55 Ohio State 24
Wisconsin 38 Iowa 14
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Old 11-15-17, 05:35 AM
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Iowa 55 Ohio State 24
Wisconsin 38 Iowa 14
Hey, if the Bucks don't get in they don't get in. As a Buckeye fan I know they had their chances and blew it. Last year I had mixed emotions too and looking back Penn St. probably should have been the pick. This year is different and the Bucks need things to fall perfect to get in, but if they win the B1G championship and the other choices are non conference champs with two losses it makes it easier for the committee. At least they have a shot which makes the next three weeks compelling. There is going to be some great football turkey day weekend and anything can still happen.
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Old 11-15-17, 05:39 AM
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Hey, if the Bucks don't get in they don't get in. As a Buckeye fan I know they had their chances and blew it. Last year I had mixed emotions too and looking back Penn St. probably should have been the pick. This year is different and the Bucks need things to fall perfect to get in, but if they win the B1G championship and the other choices are non conference champs with two losses it makes it easier for the committee. At least they have a shot which makes the next three weeks compelling. There is going to be some great football turkey day weekend and anything can still happen.
I am looking forward to the next two weeks also.

The issue is that if Wisconsin's only loss ends up being to Ohio State, there is no way any Ohio State fans should argue they get in, based on their talking points last season, in my opinion.
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Old 11-15-17, 06:03 AM
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I am looking forward to the next two weeks also.

The issue is that if Wisconsin's only loss ends up being to Ohio State, there is no way any Ohio State fans should argue they get in, based on their talking points last season, in my opinion.
Well that loss would be head to head for the conference championship though. Like I said, looking back PSU should have been the pick, but if you don't think the committee also watches for teams that will pump up ratings you're delusional. If Bama loses to Auburn, do you think they are still in? I do
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Old 11-15-17, 06:23 AM
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Well that loss would be head to head for the conference championship though. Like I said, looking back PSU should have been the pick, but if you don't think the committee also watches for teams that will pump up ratings you're delusional. If Bama loses to Auburn, do you think they are still in? I do
You got that right
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Old 11-15-17, 08:16 AM
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Just in case Buckeye fans, I have your double talk covered for you ahead of time, LOL

2016

1.) Head to head doesn't matter
2.) So what if you're the Big Ten Champ(you have two losses, we only have one)
3.) You don't deserve it, no deserving team gets blown out

2017

1.) Head to head DOES matter
2.) We're the Big Ten champs (so what if we have two losses and you only have one)
3.) We deserve it even though we got blown out TWICE
This!!! Right here, up above, is EXACTLY right. I am not a hater of OSU nor a fan of Michigan. However, some of you Bucknut (huggers) make it so hard to root for....Any other team would not sniff the top 10 after those 2 losses.

Time for Bama, OSU and Clemson to stop getting a mulligan every year.

This whole "playoff" is hilarity anyway (But I will still watch)
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Old 11-15-17, 08:29 AM
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These strength of schedule arguments are a farce. Clemson being ranked at 2 is a big reach. Strength of schedule is the argument. They have played only 2 teams in the top 25 right now, Auburn and NC State(19).

Every power five conference plays mostly cupcakes the first 3 weeks. The SEC plays 4 weeks of cupcakes. All of the SEC teams should have 4 wins automatically. Does this mean they are the better conference? After Alabama plays Mercer this weekend, I would expect them to drop to 2 due exclusively to Strength of Schedule. Let's see if Auburn drops due to playing Louisiana Monroe.

Michigan is getting hosed in their ranking at 24. LSU at 20? Really?

The committees reasoning is contradictory week after week. The only metric that they have stayed consistent with is head to head wins.
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Old 11-15-17, 08:44 AM
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Pretty funny gobluetom is triggered by Harbaugh being 1-4 against Michigan's two biggest rivals
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Old 11-15-17, 08:55 AM
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Iowa 55 Ohio State 24
Wisconsin 38 Iowa 14
Do you see Iowa in the latest CFP Rankings? Do the Hawkeyes have 4 losses (easily could be 5 to ISU) or not?I'm not even an Ohio State fan. I dislike the Buckeyes, but I'm not naive. If Ohio State beats Wisconsin in the B1G Championship Game they'll be in.
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Old 11-15-17, 08:58 AM
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Funny how ads is constantly labeled an OSU fan, despite making it well known he isn't.
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Old 11-15-17, 09:56 AM
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My best guesses.

Auburn- I think they knock off Bama
Oklahoma- They win out.
Clemson- They beat Miami
Wisconsin- They beat Osu in the Big Ten Championship.



What I would like to see.

Alabama win out
Oklahoma win out
Miami Win out
That means OSU is in.
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Old 11-15-17, 10:03 AM
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I find it hysterical that immediately after the CFB playoff rankings come out, the first thing complained about is where OSU is in the rankings. OSU should not get in this year if the rankings are to be taken as credible. This coming from an OSU fan.

That being said, there are plenty of other flaws and non-nonsensical things about the rankings other than where they decide to put OSU. Anyone who thinks Clemson deserves to be ahead of undefeated teams at this time, after losing to Syracuse is a fool. These are supposed to be weekly rankings, not based on where it's assumed teams will end up.
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Old 11-15-17, 10:06 AM
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Funny how ads is constantly labeled an OSU fan, despite making it well known he isn't.
I don't think Ohio State should have made it last year over Penn State but this year things are completely different than last year. Overall I think the committee has done a pretty poor job in terms of outlining what matters and how teams are slotted weekly. They talk out of both sides of their mouth and cater to the Alabamas, Clemsons, Ohio States but why wouldn't they it's still all about the money.

For this reason, I wish they would expand to 6 or 8 teams. I like 8, but understand 6. If you have 8 you make sure each of the Power 5 Conference Champions are in. That way there are no questions or bias etc. Then have 3 at-large bids which go to the next best. Similar to the old BCS system, if a Group of 5 team finishes in the top 14-15 they get the #8 spot. Keep the committee or go back to computers for seeding/ranking purposes. Have the top 4 host Quarterfinals.

So right now it would be:
#1 Alabama vs. #8 Central Florida
#2 Clemson vs. #7 Georgia (assuming Bama beats Auburn)
#3 Oklahoma vs. #6 Wisconsin (assuming they lose to OSU)
#4 Ohio State vs. #5 Washington or USC
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Old 11-15-17, 10:06 AM
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This!!! Right here, up above, is EXACTLY right. I am not a hater of OSU nor a fan of Michigan. However, some of you Bucknut (huggers) make it so hard to root for....Any other team would not sniff the top 10 after those 2 losses.

Time for Bama, OSU and Clemson to stop getting a mulligan every year.

This whole "playoff" is hilarity anyway (But I will still watch)
What? Clemson would and will still be in the top 10 if they end up losing to Miami. You "Bucknut haters" just go off the handle every single week.
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Old 11-15-17, 11:55 AM
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I'm still in favor of using the BCS rankings to fill out a 8 team playoff, with no conference champ guarantees.
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Old 11-15-17, 12:30 PM
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Clemson at #2 over Miami and Oklahoma makes very little sense.
I agree. They have two good wins against Auburn and NC State, and a glaring loss to Syracuse. Syracuse is 4-6 overall and 2-4 in the ACC with one of those losses to Middle Tennessee State, for crying out loud.

No way they should be in the top four. It's a complete travesty, and destroys any credibility the committee had.
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Old 11-15-17, 01:03 PM
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It's pretty obvious the early rankings are attempts to setup the final four than to predict it. If Clemson beats Miami, no one will argue their inclusion. If Miami beats Clemson, ditto. Whoever loses will fall out of the Top 4 and have no chance at getting back in without an absolute miracle. They're just posturing to guarantee the ACC champ not be excluded.
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Old 11-15-17, 01:42 PM
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I'm still in favor of using the BCS rankings to fill out a 8 team playoff, with no conference champ guarantees.
What would those rankings look like currently?
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Old 11-15-17, 01:48 PM
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A post last year from a Buckeye fan.....




1.) change to Ohio State beat Wisconsin
2.) change to slaughtering Ohio St got from both Oklahoma and Iowa
3.) So you are saying if Ohio St. beats Wisconsin, that Wisconsin is still better because they only have one loss as opposed to Ohio State having two?
4.) Well are you going to be consistent in your logic, or try to change your narrative?, LOL
There are some slight differences ... Wisconsin does not have a big out of conference win like OSU did last year ... but, if the game is relatively close, I agree ... and I am a Ohio State fan ... but if the game is not even close ... like when they beat them something like 59-0 ... then I would have to think about it ... most likely, neither team would get in.
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