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Old 09-14-18, 11:41 AM
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A. The REDS, not wolves82, owe him $28 mill for next season and the buyout. It was 48 mill 4 months ago.

B. Look around dude?? You see a bunch of starters in our system??

C. I've pointed out to you the holes in the 1-19...yes, he's not been great, but he's got little to no run support this year.

You can all it anything you want, I'm just providing some reasons as to why the Reds make the decisions they do. You can whine and gripe all you want, but they aren't going to ask you how to run their team. Big picture, it doesn't matter if they lose 85 games or 105. They are not in the playoffs, they are rebuilding. If Homer is healthy, he may be in the rotation in '19, get over it.
Thanks for telling me. I was about to write Homer a big check.

If there ever is a nuclear war, I want to be inside 14Red's skull, because it is the thickest, densest matter known to man. Plus it is empty inside that skull, plenty of room to move around.
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Old 09-14-18, 11:12 PM
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Oh, and EP... Brandon Phillips will go down as the best defensive 2nd baseman in club history, and one of the better 2nd baseman
Debateable.
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Tucker worked and worked to get where he's at. He's not going to be an all star, but he's a solid major league catcher.
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Billy...one of the best defensive center fielders we've ever seen. He can do things on a baseball field that no one else can do. If you can't appreciate that, I don't know what else to say.
There are several players playing right now and many players in the past that can and have done the same things Hamilton does on a baseball field defensively. So he can stretch a routine single for 90% of the league into a double - big deal. If he hits .300 and steals 75 bases come talk to me. Otherwise he's is what the back of his baseball card says - a really fast, solid defensively player with little-to-no-bat.
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Old 09-15-18, 04:09 PM
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I have to credit 14Red. His posts have incredible entertainment value. If it wasn't for him, this thread wouldn't be near as interesting or as much fun.
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Old 09-15-18, 05:34 PM
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In 17 of his 23 starts Matt Harvey has allowed 3 or less runs. In two others he allowed 4. The other 4 were utter disastrous. All this equates to 4.13 ERA and a 1.232 WHIP.

Would you rather have a pitcher be really good in 3/4 of his starts and terrible the other 1/4 or someone who is more consistently average in each start?

When he is "bad" his ERA was 8.45 with a whip of 1.37.

In his "good" starts his ERA is 2.31 and a WHIP of 1.007.
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Old 09-15-18, 06:18 PM
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The question is how much are you willing to spend based on that level of performance.
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Old 09-15-18, 06:28 PM
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The question is how much are you willing to spend based on that level of performance.
We've covered that a number of times.


I'm more interested in whether you'd rather have a stud/dud or consistently average starting pitcher?
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Old 09-15-18, 07:08 PM
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Unfortunately the Reds are still without an ace, or even a quality #2 starter. They keep running out #4 and 5 type pitchers with no one in the minors that is close to big league ready.
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Old 09-15-18, 07:36 PM
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Unfortunately the Reds are still without an ace, or even a quality #2 starter. They keep running out #4 and 5 type pitchers with no one in the minors that is close to big league ready.
Their 3 best pitchers not named Hunter Greene are likely 2 years away from debuting.

We will subject to another year of misery unless they acquire at least 2 TOR starters.
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Old 09-15-18, 08:06 PM
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Their 3 best pitchers not named Hunter Greene are likely 2 years away from debuting.

We will subject to another year of misery unless they acquire at least 2 TOR starters.
Which with their financial history, is almost certainly not going to happen. Maybe one, but knowing them they would grab a mid-tier veteran and try and plug him in as a #1.
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Old 09-15-18, 08:26 PM
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Which with their financial history, is almost certainly not going to happen. Maybe one, but knowing them they would grab a mid-tier veteran and try and plug him in as a #1.
More than likely....
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Old 09-15-18, 11:23 PM
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Make Scott Feldman great again.
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Old 09-16-18, 07:47 PM
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Castillo looked good again today. He has a 1.42 ERA in his last 4 starts.
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Old 09-17-18, 06:45 AM
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Which with their financial history, is almost certainly not going to happen. Maybe one, but knowing them they would grab a mid-tier veteran and try and plug him in as a #1.
Yeah, the reds just arenít going to spend money on two legit TOR starters, thatís just asinine to expect. What they can do, is look at how the Rays had success this year by unconventionally managing their rotation by having a planned pitching relay. This strategy could be effective in Cincinnati as we seem to have a glut of guys who can effectively go full-out 2-3 innings.
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Old 09-17-18, 09:11 AM
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I have to credit 14Red. His posts have incredible entertainment value. If it wasn't for him, this thread wouldn't be near as interesting or as much fun.
I just wish there would be more substantial baseball posts on here, instead of just whining about what players make and name calling. There are alot of positives about this team this year. Too bad many of you can't see it.
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Old 09-17-18, 09:16 AM
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How about Reds pitching this weekend in Chicago? 5 runs.
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Old 09-17-18, 11:30 AM
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Make Scott Feldman great again.
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Early candidate for best post of the week.
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Old 09-17-18, 11:44 AM
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I just wish there would be more substantial baseball posts on here, instead of just whining about what players make and name calling. There are alot of positives about this team this year. Too bad many of you can't see it.
Here, my post from about 3 weeks ago. Plenty of us post about baseball, and plenty of us see the positives as they occur.

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As August winds down, my observations for the season thus far:

Best things:
- Desclafani seems like a legitimate SP. Solid.
- Peraza is back to being Peraza that we expected. Solid glove, 4th in the NL in hits, 9th in SB.
- Suarez is legit - glad to have him locked up
- Winker & Schebler, pre-injury, showed they should be reliable big league hitters
- Iglesias & Lorenzen are solid

Worst / puzzling things:
- Roller coaster rides with Castillo / Romano / Mahle. Critical that 2 of them take big step forward next year.
- Healthy Billy with only 29 SB ??
- Votto decent year leading the league in OBP by a mile, but lack of power is puzzling
- unhappy about Duvall's disappearance but he seemingly forgot how to hit
And of course the absolute worst thing is the Homer Bailey situation. I've posted plenty about that.

I looked a long ways back and can't find any whining about salaries. You are making stuff up again. There is complaining about mismanagement of the Bailey situation, which is spot on, but no whining about salaries.
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Old 09-17-18, 11:50 AM
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How about Reds pitching this weekend in Chicago? 5 runs.
Glad to see the decent starts. Does this mean you think the rotation is set for next year? Or do you think it was one of those fall weekends in Wrigley where the wind blows in and it is hard to score runs? FYI - the Reds scored 4 in 3 games.

Sunday - Castillo has put a nice string of starts together. Great to see. Reds need him to become that good consistently.

Saturday - Reed had 5 shutout innings and 10K, which looks great on the surface. But 5 innings, 91 pitches, only 56 strikes is indicative that he was not totally in command.

Friday - Harvey had a another effective start. However, 96 pitches in 6 innings is a bunch also.
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Old 09-17-18, 12:34 PM
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Glad to see the decent starts. Does this mean you think the rotation is set for next year? Or do you think it was one of those fall weekends in Wrigley where the wind blows in and it is hard to score runs? FYI - the Reds scored 4 in 3 games.

Sunday - Castillo has put a nice string of starts together. Great to see. Reds need him to become that good consistently.

Saturday - Reed had 5 shutout innings and 10K, which looks great on the surface. But 5 innings, 91 pitches, only 56 strikes is indicative that he was not totally in command.

Friday - Harvey had a another effective start. However, 96 pitches in 6 innings is a bunch also.

Not set, but I do think Castillo has a spot in the rotation based on what we've seen this year. Now has he had some bumps in the road? Absolutely. But he's going to be a solid starter going into next season. DeSclafani probably has a spot, Reed certainly has shown us more than ever before, and maybe he can compete for a spot. Do you consider trying to bring Harvey in for a one year $15 mill deal??

As for the wind? The Reds hit two homers into the wind yesterday, so it couldn't have been that bad. And it's the same way for both teams.
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Old 09-17-18, 05:31 PM
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Castillo looked good again today. He has a 1.42 ERA in his last 4 starts.
Yes. He did a good job of putting out a fire when he could have easily imploded. Growth?
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Old 09-17-18, 06:15 PM
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Yes. He did a good job of putting out a fire when he could have easily imploded. Growth?
I don't know if it's growth or just rebounding.

He's been pretty good since early July.
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Old 09-17-18, 06:28 PM
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Yeah, the reds just arenít going to spend money on two legit TOR starters, thatís just asinine to expect. What they can do, is look at how the Rays had success this year by unconventionally managing their rotation by having a planned pitching relay. This strategy could be effective in Cincinnati as we seem to have a glut of guys who can effectively go full-out 2-3 innings.
How would manage the staff like that?

Riggleman has had a very quick hook this year. You could say we've seen a variation of that strategy.
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Old 09-18-18, 06:42 AM
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So now DeSclafani's last 4 starts his ERA is 7.79, BA against is .347, and WHIP is 1.85. That is basically batting practice pitching. A month ago he was the best on the staff. Many of us felt he was the one SP we felt good about for next year. Now, he is another question mark.
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Old 09-18-18, 06:51 AM
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So now DeSclafani's last 4 starts his ERA is 7.79, BA against is .347, and WHIP is 1.85. That is basically batting practice pitching. A month ago he was the best on the staff. Many of us felt he was the one SP we felt good about for next year. Now, he is another question mark.
He has become wild in the strike zone. He throws bad strikes that get tattooed. Hopefully it is a bit of fatigue as he has now thrown over 100 innings this year.
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Old 09-18-18, 08:08 AM
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So now DeSclafani's last 4 starts his ERA is 7.79, BA against is .347, and WHIP is 1.85. That is basically batting practice pitching. A month ago he was the best on the staff. Many of us felt he was the one SP we felt good about for next year. Now, he is another question mark.
Great point, he really seems to struggle after going through the order the first time. That said, barring an injury or just being bombed in spring training, I expect to see DeSclafai in the rotation in '19.
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Old 09-18-18, 08:42 AM
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Yes. He did a good job of putting out a fire when he could have easily imploded. Growth?
Many times the difference between the good and bad ones is putting out those fires.

It isn't like graeet pitchers don't get into jams, they just mitigate the situation and give up 1-2 instead of 3plus in those bad innings.
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