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Old 04-18-17, 12:53 PM
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Where did I say anywhere in my post that I was talking specifically about Ohio Elite ?

I was talking entirely about the ECNL as a whole.
I know that you Are or Were a CU/Cup coach so we get why you are blinded by your views.

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Old 04-18-17, 01:04 PM
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Just doing some quick math in my head.

DA is to focus on making the national team....
Lets look at the proposed DA U16/17 age group 23 players per club....71 clubs, 1633 girls, or 816 "ish" at U16. National team has 24 kids on the U16 team....

3% have a chance at the team, and that's IF they only take DA girls not the best of who's out there. I hear these DA clubs talking about a 2nd DA team per age group too.... What the hell kinda watered down money grab will that be?

Meanwhile 92+% of ECNL girls play College ball and over 85% of them play D1 ball.

Just some interesting math while I wait for my next patient.
If this premise is false, and I believe it will prove to be, then what?

The DA serves the national team's interest, but it is far from the sole purpose. Do you think your "leftovers" that aren't in the 3% aren't going to play in college?

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Old 04-18-17, 01:32 PM
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If this premise is false, and I believe it will prove to be, then what?

The DA serves the national team's interest, but it is far from the sole purpose. Do you think your "leftovers" that aren't in the 3% aren't going to play in college?
My point is there is already a more than solid path to top level college recruiting.

I've spoken with quite a few coaches at recent showcases and not one has a positive word about US soccer when I asked, and I asked them all that I came in contact with. Where do you think College coaches will continue to build relationships? I'm sure some coaches think US Soccer is great to deal with. I've just not run into any those ladies or gentlemen the last few months.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope for some of these girls sake I am.
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Old 04-18-17, 01:49 PM
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My point is there is already a more than solid path to top level college recruiting.

I've spoken with quite a few coaches at recent showcases and not one has a positive word about US soccer when I asked, and I asked them all that I came in contact with. Where do you think College coaches will continue to build relationships? I'm sure some coaches think US Soccer is great to deal with. I've just not run into any those ladies or gentlemen the last few months.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope for some of these girls sake I am.
You're not wrong yet. But if history repeats itself, you will be down the line. But you don't need to worry, the caliber of player we are both talking about will attract the scouts and new relationships will form, or some of those coaches will get new jobs at DA clubs. None of this matters for any girl above U12 even less so for those above U14, but the U10s out there... They will set the new bar.
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Old 04-18-17, 02:49 PM
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Where did I say anywhere in my post that I was talking specifically about Ohio Elite ?

I was talking entirely about the ECNL as a whole.
I know that you Are or Were a CU/Cup coach so we get why you are blinded by your views.

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Bucky- Are you and Empty one in the same person??? Also I have no idea what comment you are referencing since you didnt hit the quote button.
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Old 04-18-17, 11:33 PM
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You're not wrong yet. But if history repeats itself, you will be down the line. But you don't need to worry, the caliber of player we are both talking about will attract the scouts and new relationships will form, or some of those coaches will get new jobs at DA clubs. None of this matters for any girl above U12 even less so for those above U14, but the U10s out there... They will set the new bar.
Not from Cup or OE but making her 2nd call up this year to the U15 USGNT. Great player from a great soccer family!

https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/201...d-camp-of-2017

Also saw this on the US Soccer site.

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017...t-rose-lavelle

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Old 04-19-17, 09:26 AM
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My kids were told by their college coaches to try and play ECNL so they would be ready and get the most playing time available. They are not the only kids who have heard it. Ms. Rossi from up North was told the same thing and off she went to the ECNL...
You've stated this before about Sofia and I corrected you at that time as well.

She is playing for the Ambassadors - a Cleveland/Akron area club that plays MRL. Indiana Fire has her rostered as a "discovery player", aka a glorified guest player. She will probably only play a few games for them this season and I highly doubt that she is making the trek from Akron to Indianapolis, a 4 1/2 hour drive, in order to train with the team. I also doubt that Tony, the Wake coach, told her to play with a team in the ECNL for her last club season. Playing a few ECNL games won't make a bit of difference for her.
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Old 04-19-17, 10:02 AM
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OK. Or she's going there once a week to train and WAS told that by the Wake coach. Level of competition makes a difference. Always has, always will. You know that.
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Old 04-19-17, 11:05 AM
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OK. Or she's going there once a week to train and WAS told that by the Wake coach. Level of competition makes a difference. Always has, always will. You know that.
Empty Head- I doubt any coach would tell a player to make that trek to do that. You are stretching. He may have told her also to stay with the club that developed her as they have done a great job and she is merely helping out another club by guest playing because she is friends with someone on the team... We can keep speculating all day but common sense is not in your favor on this one..
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Old 04-19-17, 08:10 PM
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i think that cup underestimates the draw of playing high school soccer and that soccer is ultimately a game and should be fun. I dont get the impression that the da has fun, or playing with your friends at the top of the list. That may push some top tier kids to oe ecnl, where even though they have dougley dbag, the game can still be fun.
fify

say what you want about oe putting more players into higher level college programs than cup but the facts are that cup, at least recently, has had many more players called into national team camps than oe has and it's not even close. take that, dougley dbag!
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Old 04-19-17, 09:11 PM
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I am just imagining what it would be like to all meet at a BW3 and have a few beers. Would have to make sure it wasn't too close to OE, CUP, or KHA though!
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Old 04-19-17, 09:19 PM
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Is CraochG old enough to have a beer? I've never read so much nonsense from a post than that guy/girl!
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Old 04-20-17, 10:55 AM
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Is CraochG old enough to have a beer? I've never read so much nonsense from a post than that guy/girl!
Pele- You must dementia in your old age. I am way old enough to have a beer hell I would even buy you, EmptyHead, and BuckToothedOne their first round.
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Old 04-20-17, 11:21 AM
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You've stated this before about Sofia and I corrected you at that time as well.

She is playing for the Ambassadors - a Cleveland/Akron area club that plays MRL. Indiana Fire has her rostered as a "discovery player", aka a glorified guest player. She will probably only play a few games for them this season and I highly doubt that she is making the trek from Akron to Indianapolis, a 4 1/2 hour drive, in order to train with the team. I also doubt that Tony, the Wake coach, told her to play with a team in the ECNL for her last club season. Playing a few ECNL games won't make a bit of difference for her.
KHA is playing the Ambassadors tomorrow in the Blue Chip. Kha has lost a lot of depth due to injuries but also players who have quit soccer since they decided not to play college.
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Old 04-20-17, 01:52 PM
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KHA is playing the Ambassadors tomorrow in the Blue Chip. Kha has lost a lot of depth due to injuries but also players who have quit soccer since they decided not to play college.
Hold on a minute!!! According to some that have posted here its hard to believe a player that is capable of playing at such a high level including beyond high school that they would quite and also decide not to play in college... LOL Lets be honest a female athlete has a different mind set than a male. Not saying its wrong,right, better, or worse just different in that some that could play at that level decide not to.
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Old 04-20-17, 08:53 PM
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You've stated this before about Sofia and I corrected you at that time as well.

She is playing for the Ambassadors - a Cleveland/Akron area club that plays MRL. Indiana Fire has her rostered as a "discovery player", aka a glorified guest player. She will probably only play a few games for them this season and I highly doubt that she is making the trek from Akron to Indianapolis, a 4 1/2 hour drive, in order to train with the team. I also doubt that Tony, the Wake coach, told her to play with a team in the ECNL for her last club season. Playing a few ECNL games won't make a bit of difference for her.
I'm not sure if Tony knows his a55 from a hole in the ground! But if I were going to a DI college and I wanted to play at quicker pace, be more aggressive and better technically and tactically I would look for any avenue to increase my skills whether it is playing in the ECNL, against college players or even boys. The only way to get better is to play against better players. You can have better Coaching/Training but if you don't have the experience to push yourself daily in practice or in practice games and bring the work rate, attitude and competitveness you've gained nothing! Playing soccer at a HigH level is demanding, the faster you get there Mentally and Physically increases your chances of success! Go on Rossi and achieve that goal push yourself and make yourself, parents, fans and the Demon Deacons proud!
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Old 04-21-17, 06:08 AM
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Hold on a minute!!! According to some that have posted here its hard to believe a player that is capable of playing at such a high level including beyond high school that they would quite and also decide not to play in college... LOL Lets be honest a female athlete has a different mind set than a male. Not saying its wrong,right, better, or worse just different in that some that could play at that level decide not to.
Yeah I guess they just had enough. At least 3 were pretty good players and I'm sure received offers. Time to get on with their life's work.

By the way I was told Rossi was not playing for the Ambassadors today. So don't the reason or if she is really rostered with them.
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Old 04-21-17, 10:30 AM
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By the way I was told Rossi was not playing for the Ambassadors today. So don't the reason or if she is really rostered with them.

It's because the ECNL team she plays for has games out East Sat and Sun and she's with them.

Blue Chip or ECNL games....No brainer
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Old 04-21-17, 11:34 AM
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It's because the ECNL team she plays for has games out East Sat and Sun and she's with them.

Blue Chip or ECNL games....No brainer
OOOHHH So she steps in to play only in the big matches where college coaches are instead of allowing a member of the team that is at all the training session and ECNL matches be seen... Yeah no brainer the girl she is taking away game time from at the "big" matches should leave and go to a club that appreciates her and want her to play in the "big" games.
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Old 04-21-17, 01:42 PM
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Old 04-21-17, 01:48 PM
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OOOHHH So she steps in to play only in the big matches where college coaches are instead of allowing a member of the team that is at all the training session and ECNL matches be seen... Yeah no brainer the girl she is taking away game time from at the "big" matches should leave and go to a club that appreciates her and want her to play in the "big" games.
Or she's playing in 2 league games with her main team against the best competition possible rather than at a showcase with lesser competition where college coaches are so the girls at Ambassadors who are uncommitted can get more playing time. Not many ECNL U18+ girls who want to play college ball are not signed already, so she's really not hurting anyone by playing with Fire (no pun intended).

The point of her playing with an ECNL team is so she can play the best, to develop into the best. Skipping ECNL match games would be pretty damn counter productive to the whole point of playing with them.

I guess we just see things different. But that's really no surprise.
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Old 04-22-17, 09:00 PM
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OOOHHH So she steps in to play only in the big matches where college coaches are instead of allowing a member of the team that is at all the training session and ECNL matches be seen... Yeah no brainer the girl she is taking away game time from at the "big" matches should leave and go to a club that appreciates her and want her to play in the "big" games.
Like I said before is this guy/girl a real Coach or does he just play one here on Yappi? Or were all the nicknames taken that day? Reaching for straws coach?
More Nonsense from the guy in the corner with the G on his hat! Maybe we should name him ComedianG!
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Old 04-24-17, 07:32 AM
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Like I said before is this guy/girl a real Coach or does he just play one here on Yappi? Or were all the nicknames taken that day? Reaching for straws coach?
More Nonsense from the guy in the corner with the G on his hat! Maybe we should name him ComedianG!
Ok Pegleg. So you want that beer or you just like posting on a site where no on knows who you are?
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Old 04-25-17, 08:17 AM
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Interesting read - Charleston Battery Soccer Academy suspends operations http://www.postandcourier.com/sports...39bbca015.html
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Interesting read - Charleston Battery Soccer Academy suspends operations http://www.postandcourier.com/sports...39bbca015.html
Thanks for sharing this. I've always said that I can understand the need for a DA, and I can see the benefits. However, the market should speak. If there's a demand for this, it will succeed. If not, it will fail.

I do see one flaw in the US Soccer's approach. First, unlike the rest of the world, the US has as a strong tradition of high school sports. So, in other countries, the only avenue to play is via club sports.

Second, the best players in other countries do not have to pay to play. Rather, they play for academies sponsored by the pro clubs.

Third, unlike the rest of the world, the US has a strong tradition of college sports. In other countries, you either join a professional team or stop playing when you reach 18 (to a lesser extent you try to get to the US and play in college).

Because professional soccer is less developed here, college soccer has a bigger pull. As has been discussed in previous threads, an elite player can get to a top college without forgoing high school soccer.

Klinsman was trying to upgrade US soccer talent. However, he was trying to follow a European approach, not understanding our excepting the unique differences that exist in the US.

First, for his program to work, the MLS clubs need to develop fully funded academies for the elite male players. Those players would need to be signed by the MLS clubs and/or play in Europe or LA when they reached 18. In essence, MLS needs to mimic baseball or hockey where a high school graduate can see a way to make a living at the sport without going to college.

Second, for girls, we need to have a sustainable professional league that provides a living wage. To me, the MLS should create sister teams, like the NBA with the WNBA, as well as the top European clubs have done. Those teams would also have fully funded academies....
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Old 04-25-17, 11:16 AM
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I'm pretty sure players will leave any club at any level that can't find practice and game fields. Today you can't become an academy without it. Sounds very much like club mismanagement.
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you might be right but thats just one part of the story what about the recent defection of players back to the high school or local academy ranks.
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you might be right but thats just one part of the story what about the recent defection of players back to the high school or local academy ranks.
It's a local newspaper story. If you didn't have a place to practice what would you do?
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Thanks for sharing this. I've always said that I can understand the need for a DA, and I can see the benefits. However, the market should speak. If there's a demand for this, it will succeed. If not, it will fail.

I do see one flaw in the US Soccer's approach. First, unlike the rest of the world, the US has as a strong tradition of high school sports. So, in other countries, the only avenue to play is via club sports.

Second, the best players in other countries do not have to pay to play. Rather, they play for academies sponsored by the pro clubs.

Third, unlike the rest of the world, the US has a strong tradition of college sports. In other countries, you either join a professional team or stop playing when you reach 18 (to a lesser extent you try to get to the US and play in college).

Because professional soccer is less developed here, college soccer has a bigger pull. As has been discussed in previous threads, an elite player can get to a top college without forgoing high school soccer.

Klinsman was trying to upgrade US soccer talent. However, he was trying to follow a European approach, not understanding our excepting the unique differences that exist in the US.

First, for his program to work, the MLS clubs need to develop fully funded academies for the elite male players. Those players would need to be signed by the MLS clubs and/or play in Europe or LA when they reached 18. In essence, MLS needs to mimic baseball or hockey where a high school graduate can see a way to make a living at the sport without going to college.

Second, for girls, we need to have a sustainable professional league that provides a living wage. To me, the MLS should create sister teams, like the NBA with the WNBA, as well as the top European clubs have done. Those teams would also have fully funded academies....
Money talks 5hit walks! When will US Soccer be viable?

Most, if not all MLS teams, want nothing to do with a sister team. It costs them money, time and nothing but headaches. Look at the teams in Europe that have women's teams attached to them only because the men's side makes a lot of money. The european women's side don't make money because no one is interested and attendance is low. There is a good chance MalPugh will sign with a team in France, they have more money to spend largely because the mens side will pay for her. Interest in the NWSL women's game and entertainment money for the women's game is not very good a little less than 6,000 a game after 4 years......other than Orlando(now that they signed Marta). What does FC Cincinnati average per game?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...gue_attendance
If I'm an owner of an NWSL franchise and some of the US Soccer players are going overseas for more money I lose money. Not a very good investment.

Your other points are relevant but like I said before it only takes money.
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Thanks for sharing this. I've always said that I can understand the need for a DA, and I can see the benefits. However, the market should speak. If there's a demand for this, it will succeed. If not, it will fail.

I do see one flaw in the US Soccer's approach. First, unlike the rest of the world, the US has as a strong tradition of high school sports. So, in other countries, the only avenue to play is via club sports.

Second, the best players in other countries do not have to pay to play. Rather, they play for academies sponsored by the pro clubs.

Third, unlike the rest of the world, the US has a strong tradition of college sports. In other countries, you either join a professional team or stop playing when you reach 18 (to a lesser extent you try to get to the US and play in college).

Because professional soccer is less developed here, college soccer has a bigger pull. As has been discussed in previous threads, an elite player can get to a top college without forgoing high school soccer.

Klinsman was trying to upgrade US soccer talent. However, he was trying to follow a European approach, not understanding our excepting the unique differences that exist in the US.

First, for his program to work, the MLS clubs need to develop fully funded academies for the elite male players. Those players would need to be signed by the MLS clubs and/or play in Europe or LA when they reached 18. In essence, MLS needs to mimic baseball or hockey where a high school graduate can see a way to make a living at the sport without going to college.

Second, for girls, we need to have a sustainable professional league that provides a living wage. To me, the MLS should create sister teams, like the NBA with the WNBA, as well as the top European clubs have done. Those teams would also have fully funded academies....
Tons of good stuff here in your post.

Just want to expand thoughts on the bold/underline part. While there was MAJOR feedback on the DA not allowing HS soccer. Why isn't there ANY real feedback on NFHS (well, their state associations) not permitting players to do HS and club/DA at the same time?

Everyone wants USSF to cave in on this, but literally no one has addressed this from NFHS standpoint. NFHS has the exact same mandate that USSF does, just for their side. States have the decision to either go with it or against it. I know some states do allow for club and HS in the same season (Oklahoma being one I know of, immediately).

This whole issue could be solved if NFHS and USSF worked things out...just like USSF and any college organization (NJCAA, NCAA, NAIA, USCAA, NCCAA). Imagine if these entities worked together, everyone could essentially get what they wanted out of the sport AND the educational setting.

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