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Old 04-18-17, 08:30 PM
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Bbcor

When can we see then of these bats?
HR's are a non existence which IMO is bad for the sport. Anyone else agree?

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Old 04-18-17, 08:34 PM
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don't agree


BBCOR will be gone when we all go to wood.
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Old 04-18-17, 08:34 PM
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Don't say that cabez....plz say it ain't so!

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Old 04-18-17, 10:12 PM
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What's bad is pitchers being bulls-eyes off the BESR and especially previous iterations of aluminum bats.

14-11 at the college level with those bats is far from an aesthetically pleasing game.
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Old 04-18-17, 10:58 PM
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Don't say that cabez....plz say it ain't so!

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I take it that your kids don't pitch ?



Only a 2 1/4" barrel, but a composite with no performance dampening adjustments. At 45', but only a 12 year old. 60'6" inches is not far enough for a broken-in BESR and a 17 yr old that has been pushing weights and guzzling protein shakes.
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Old 04-18-17, 11:28 PM
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You can always bring the fences in a little bit if you want more home runs. Right now, the bats seem appropriate with the speed and distance of the pitching.

It would be interesting to see the average length of fences built from 2000 to 2010 when the home runs were going crazy. Probably had a few schools that chose fence sizes just a little bit longer.
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Old 04-19-17, 01:34 AM
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Want to hit more home runs? Get in the damn weight room. The kids who are physical and get recruited to drive the ball in college are hitting home runs in high school. If you want to hit a home run, learn how to train your exit velo and launch angles and apply it to games. 90+ EV with 30-35* launch angle is a home run more often than not.
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Old 04-19-17, 02:14 AM
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"Get in the damn weight room"......lmao! Although that's true, that sounds like that 80% of kids need to quit their other sports to just lift weights so they can just hit HR's!

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Old 04-19-17, 07:20 AM
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You can always bring the fences in a little bit if you want more home runs. Right now, the bats seem appropriate with the speed and distance of the pitching.

It would be interesting to see the average length of fences built from 2000 to 2010 when the home runs were going crazy. Probably had a few schools that chose fence sizes just a little bit longer.
Very true! I don't know if schools will put $$$ into all that for just shorter fences but yes, that's a way to do it!

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Old 04-19-17, 07:26 AM
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Very true! I don't know if schools will put $$$ into all that for just shorter fences but yes, that's a way to do it!

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Put in a field like this, and you can move your fences according to your schedule!!


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The running boys in shorts will be happier in the fall, too.
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Old 04-19-17, 07:38 AM
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I wonder what those dimensions are.
With all the turf fields, schools should try to get at least the in fields in the turf part!

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Old 04-19-17, 07:57 AM
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BBcor has improved the last couple years....there are home runs now in high school and a lot more in college than first year with bbcor. Just not the crazy numbers you saw with the boomerang bats of 5-10 years ago. It is more realistic now....everyone should not be a home run hitter.
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Old 04-19-17, 08:07 AM
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BBcor has improved the last couple years....there are home runs now in high school and a lot more in college than first year with bbcor. Just not the crazy numbers you saw with the boomerang bats of 5-10 years ago. It is more realistic now....everyone should not be a home run hitter.
Not gonna argue that. But IMO baseball should have 1 HR per game to ad some pizzaz!

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Old 04-19-17, 08:08 AM
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I wonder what those dimensions are.
With all the turf fields, schools should try to get at least the in fields in the turf part!

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Ever try the magic "right click" of your mouse on google satellite ? I measure all my kids' homers that way ! .....need a few more.....

The soccer part is a regulation field, I think. I have been there when the rolling outfield fence was foul line to foul line, not just as shown. Little reason to ever have that thing unused for fall and spring. Have some rolling bleachers for soccer in short RF.


361.65 feet from home to the far end of the soccer midline.

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Old 04-19-17, 08:15 AM
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Ever try the magic "right click" of your mouse on google satellite ? I measure all my kids' homers that way ! .....need a few more.....

The soccer part is a regulation field, I think. I have been there when the rolling outfield fence was foul line to foul line, not just as shown. Little reason to ever have that thing unused for fall and spring. Have some rolling bleachers for soccer in short RF.


361.65 feet from home to the far end of the soccer midline.
Never thought about that.....that's cool!
But, I don't have the luxury to see HR! Ain't none here!

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Old 04-19-17, 08:31 AM
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BBcor has improved the last couple years....there are home runs now in high school and a lot more in college than first year with bbcor. Just not the crazy numbers you saw with the boomerang bats of 5-10 years ago. It is more realistic now....everyone should not be a home run hitter.
Nothing has changed with regards to BBCOR......

The manufacturers have changed their processes. In due time, the HR numbers will rise and BBCOR will be reviewed and probably replaced by another standard, just like what happened with BESR.

Wood bat mandates just aren't going to happen.
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Old 04-19-17, 08:43 AM
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Nothing has changed with regards to BBCOR......

The manufacturers have changed their processes. In due time, the HR numbers will rise and BBCOR will be reviewed and probably replaced by another standard, just like what happened with BESR.

Wood bat mandates just aren't going to happen.
BBCOR is ultimately cheaper than broken wood bats.

Some BBCOR bats get de-certified, because like some BESR did, they get livelier as they age a bit. Marucci comes to mind. Their older bats have been retested and failed. I'd imagine that older used bats will not always be re-tested. If they use, monitor, and enforce the Batted Ball Coefficient Of Restitution standard properly, though, there should be no reason to change it. The just have to stay ahead of the cheats.
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Old 04-19-17, 09:03 AM
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BBCOR is ultimately cheaper than broken wood bats.

Some BBCOR bats get de-certified, because like some BESR did, they get livelier as they age a bit. Marucci comes to mind. Their older bats have been retested and failed. I'd imagine that older used bats will not always be re-tested. If they use, monitor, and enforce the Batted Ball Coefficient Of Restitution standard properly, though, there should be no reason to change it. The just have to stay ahead of the cheats.
There are only three bats that the NFHS has ruled illegal because they do not meet BBCOR standards.....

2 of them are Reebok bats and 1 is a Marucci.
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Old 04-19-17, 09:08 AM
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There are only three bats that the NFHS has ruled illegal because they do not meet BBCOR standards.....

2 of them are Reebok bats and 1 is a Marucci.
They even specified particular length of some models, IIRC. There was a 33" that was banned, and a 32" that remained legal.

A few more in the USSSA BPF 1.15 for 14u and younger, too.


As much as they charge for these things, the industry should be able to keep testing.
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Old 04-19-17, 09:16 AM
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They even specified particular length of some models, IIRC. There was a 33" that was banned, and a 32" that remained legal.

A few more in the USSSA BPF 1.15 for 14u and younger, too.


As much as they charge for these things, the industry should be able to keep testing.
Illegal bats as declared by the NFHS......

Reebok Vector TLS 33 inch length
Marucci Cat 5, 33” length
Reebok Vector TLS 32” length


There would/should be more but the bat manufacturers threatened lawsuits if the FED declared more as illegal.

Make no mistake, the industry cares about one thing...... the bottom line. They have bundles of money behind them to pressure the NFHS, who has little money to defend their decisions. In the end, they going to push the limits based on how far they can push the NFHS around with regards to new bats and you still have the element out there that has developed methods to tamper with existing bats to make them "hotter".
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Old 04-19-17, 09:45 AM
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Illegal bats as declared by the NFHS......

Reebok Vector TLS 33 inch length
Marucci Cat 5, 33” length
Reebok Vector TLS 32” length


There would/should be more but the bat manufacturers threatened lawsuits if the FED declared more as illegal.

Make no mistake, the industry cares about one thing...... the bottom line. They have bundles of money behind them to pressure the NFHS, who has little money to defend their decisions. In the end, they going to push the limits based on how far they can push the NFHS around with regards to new bats and you still have the element out there that has developed methods to tamper with existing bats to make them "hotter".
Ever see the youth teams with $5k in "BPF 1.15" bats leaning against the dugout fence, all passing around the same Easton XL1 ? Cheaters suck, but they do steal a few games.
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Old 04-19-17, 10:42 AM
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I just know, and seen, that the present BBCOR is DEAD!

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Old 04-19-17, 11:09 AM
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BBCOR hasn't kept the guys who should be hitting HR's from hitting them. What it's done is take away a lot of HR's that would never have been HR's in the first place if it wasn't for juiced bats. Plenty of guys can still hit HR's.....they just don't them as far as they would have before BBCOR
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Old 04-19-17, 11:27 AM
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BBCOR is intended to mimic the responsiveness of a wood bat. There is often a bigger sweet spot than a wood bat, and weight distribution can be manipulated into the handle a bit for greater bat speed, but they've claimed to basically try to remove an equipment advantage created by the old springy-walled bats.

At least that's how I understand it. I'm all for it, all things being equal.
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