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Old 02-28-18, 07:32 PM
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Dunbar forfeit?

Whatís going on with this?!?!?!

http://www.swdab.org/Boys%20Basketball/bbb_d2_trent.htm
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Old 02-28-18, 07:34 PM
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Oh damn!

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Old 02-28-18, 07:58 PM
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Not according to DDN...

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...ADUTCPhGKRnjM/

What's going on with this?
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Old 02-28-18, 08:17 PM
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Not according to DDN...

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...ADUTCPhGKRnjM/

What's going on with this?
That was from Monday. This appears to be new news.
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Old 02-28-18, 08:20 PM
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That was from Monday. This appears to be new news.
Uh oh!
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Old 02-28-18, 08:36 PM
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At this point I would guess an eligible player? Not sure what else it could be?
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Old 02-28-18, 08:48 PM
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Can Baker still blame Coach Pullen??
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Old 02-28-18, 08:49 PM
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Wow.
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Old 02-28-18, 08:55 PM
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Can Baker still blame Coach Pullen??
Got a good chuckle out of that, but seriously, C'MON MAN. After the football debacle in 2016, are there any adults who know what's going on in the Athletic Department. Feel sorry for the kids and the rank-and-file staff because leadership is still in question in several areas of DPS.
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Old 02-28-18, 09:14 PM
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This is really terrible, there are simple procedures that schools follow.
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Old 02-28-18, 09:34 PM
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Gotta think maybe the atletic department needs some new leadership
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Old 02-28-18, 09:44 PM
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OHSAA/DPS Probation

The probation will be lifted and $2,500 will be refunded if no other similar violations of OHSAA bylaws occur within the first two years. Affected are all six DPS high schools: Belmont, Dunbar, Meadowdale, Ponitz, Stivers and Thurgood Marshall.

Seems like a long time ago but this was what was handed down from the OHSAA from before. Hope to God they don't hold this over the rest of the district. I guess you could say the district forfeits the $2500.

So let's do some MATH. Two (2) years of no football playoff games at Welcome Stadium (in 2 years an easy 100k lost) plus the fines and Baker gets REWARDED with a new contract. But if , DPS fires him (like Super) they will end up paying him to go away and waste even more money.

Plus, HE PERSONALLY talked about putting things in place so this would NEVER happen again. Gotta say, THE BUCK STOPS with him.
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Old 02-28-18, 10:02 PM
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The probation will be lifted and $2,500 will be refunded if no other similar violations of OHSAA bylaws occur within the first two years. Affected are all six DPS high schools: Belmont, Dunbar, Meadowdale, Ponitz, Stivers and Thurgood Marshall.

Seems like a long time ago but this was what was handed down from the OHSAA from before. Hope to God they don't hold this over the rest of the district. I guess you could say the district forfeits the $2500.

So let's do some MATH. Two (2) years of no football playoff games at Welcome Stadium (in 2 years an easy 100k lost) plus the fines and Baker gets REWARDED with a new contract. But if , DPS fires him (like Super) they will end up paying him to go away and waste even more money.

Plus, HE PERSONALLY talked about putting things in place so this would NEVER happen again. Gotta say, THE BUCK STOPS with him.
I thought their was even more issues if they violated probation than just a fine.
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Old 02-28-18, 10:13 PM
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I thought their was even more issues if they violated probation than just a fine.
True but the general feeling was they were putting pressure on DPS to fire Baker (can't make'em). If they want, I guess they could keep Dunbar out as the next step but the answe is sooooooo simple.
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Old 03-01-18, 06:11 AM
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If it's true that a player didn't sit out his full 2 game suspension because of a fight during a jv game, then that makes the AD and Coach look even more incompetent. Kid should have never had been dressed in first place
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Old 02-28-18, 09:45 PM
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gotta think maybe the atletic department needs some new leadership
please!
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Old 02-28-18, 09:57 PM
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Baker is pumped, he's about to get another pay raise.

The athletic department has set these players up for failure. If a kid who already struggles with grade isn't being held to a standard why would he change..

Baker and Everyone in the athletic department that is suppose to be involved with grades and checking eligibility needs to be sent packing..flush the entire system

I would say I hope they just get hammered with sanctions, but those that have done nothing wrong would be punished more than those responsible
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Old 03-01-18, 09:39 AM
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I don’t know what the district was thinking when the renewed Baker contract but now the entire district is at a greater risk.
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Old 03-01-18, 10:09 AM
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I'm just blown away that these kids get punished for a mistake made by people who are getting paid quite a bit of $$$. OHSAA is just as bad as the NCAA, if not worse.
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Old 03-01-18, 10:51 AM
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Unfortunate for Dunbar. That was a class program before the coaches got chased out! The AD should be HELD responsible! Now what happens a free pass for people responsible!?!?
Head coaches should always know what’s going on IN their program, period. That’s all. Rise up again Dunbar!
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Old 03-01-18, 10:55 AM
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Unfortunate for Dunbar. That was a class program before the coaches got chased out! The AD should be HELD responsible! Now what happens a free pass for people responsible!?!?
Head coaches should always know whatís going on IN their program, period. Thatís all. Rise up again Dunbar!
You do know that the "old" basketball coaches were involved in the football scandal a couple years ago????
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Old 03-01-18, 11:45 AM
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Yes youíre correct. But even newsprint, not all facts are there. Just saying 👍
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Old 03-01-18, 11:51 AM
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Read the quote from Dr. Ross about how many times the school was contacted about the suspensions.......

There's a lot of blame to spread around here..... The OHSAA isn't part of that blame.
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Old 03-01-18, 11:58 AM
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Read the quote from Dr. Ross about how many times the school was contacted about the suspensions.......

There's a lot of blame to spread around here..... The OHSAA isn't part of that blame.
seven times... another reason while DPS is a disaster and terrible school district.
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Old 03-02-18, 07:29 AM
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Read the quote from Dr. Ross about how many times the school was contacted about the suspensions.......

There's a lot of blame to spread around here..... The OHSAA isn't part of that blame.

There's a lot of blame but it really doesn't seem like there's a lot of spread to it, does it? Fairly narrow list of responsibles.
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Old 03-01-18, 12:47 PM
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Maybe Dunbar did not want to play a solid gcl-coed team like the Fenwick Falcons.
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Old 03-01-18, 01:02 PM
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Release from the OHSAA:

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Dayton Dunbar Removed from OHSAA Boys Basketball Tournament

Use of ineligible player in tournament victory results in forfeiture; Dayton Thurgood Marshall will replace Dunbar on bracket

COLUMBUS, Ohio – Dayton Dunbar High School was removed from the Ohio High School Athletic Association boys basketball tournament Wednesday after the OHSAA confirmed Dunbar used an ineligible player in a tournament game. By rule, Dunbar will be replaced on the bracket by the most recent team it defeated in the tournament, which is Dayton Thurgood Marshall High School.

The ineligibility stems from a bench-clearing fight on January 10 during a regular-season game between Dunbar and Thurgood Marshall. Seven Dunbar players left the bench during the altercation, but the school failed to suspend the players for two games, which is mandated by national rule. The OHSAA made seven documented attempts to communicate with the school regarding the mandated suspensions. However, the suspensions were not served, resulting in forfeiture and removal from the tournament when one of the ineligible players participated in a tournament game.

Thurgood Marshall players also left the bench during the January 10 fight, but the school properly suspended those players in consultation with school administrators and the district athletic administrator.

“We never want to remove a team from the tournament, but the school’s inability to follow proper procedure and communicate is disturbing,” said Dr. Dan Ross, OHSAA Executive Director. “Sitting out two games for fighting, or leaving the bench during a fight, is a rule that all our coaches and schools know. It’s a rule that we communicate many times each season. We are disappointed that the school could not follow through with our repeated attempts to bring a resolution to this matter in the last seven weeks.”

Dunbar is therefore publicly reprimanded for lack of administrative responsibility and institutional control for failure to properly respond to this issue. Because this occurred while Dayton Public Schools, including Dunbar, are already serving penalties for a previous incident from October 2016, the OHSAA will meet soon with school and district administrators to discuss the matter further.
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Old 03-01-18, 02:33 PM
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Disturbing on Multiple Levels

1. Some on here have almost try to blame this on others (.."they sat on it" etc.) yet obviously Dunbar SAT on it by ignoring OHSAA communication. Doesn't matter what who knew, when they knew or whatever, DUNBAR didn't do their job.
2. OHSAA says Thurgood Marshall complied in conjunction with Administration and District Adminimstration (gotta assume Baker)., WHY NOT in Dunbar's case.
3. "Kid only was JV player in mop-up play" like that doesn't matter. What the perception is that Dunbar coaches don't care about the rule (note I said PERCEPTION). If they don't care about this "little" rule (my term here) why should they care about bigger issues.
4. "OHSAA just like is NCAA is CORRUPT." No HS coach is getting rich (especially DPS), no typical HS athletic program is getting rich, and the primary goal of schools are to EDUCATE (colleges have long ago sold their soul on that).
5. JV and Head Coach at fault for not following rules. AD at fault for signing off on tourney roster (could've asked for verification player(s) sat).
6. You're ON PROBATION and yet you still make a mistake.
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Old 03-01-18, 02:51 PM
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As I stated earlier, this is an administrative issue. And yes, administrators make very good money. The school was contacted 7 times!!

As for comparing the OHSAA to the NCAA, it seems that EVERYONE gets punished instead of the individual/individuals who caused the problem.
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Old 03-01-18, 03:11 PM
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I don't see how Baker survives this one. Of course I don't see how he survived telling Dunbar to throw the football game.

When is it enough? No playoff games the past couple years and now no district or regional track meets because of the "lack of institutional control" AKA MARK BAKER!

Who suffers...KIDS! That is so unfortunate for the kids! Coaches and the great "Athletic Administrator" if you can call Baker that screwed this one up!

Those kids that didn't sit out will have to sit out next season wherever they play! Hopefully DPS/Dunbar can get the memo, maybe OHSAA has to send it 8 times for them to acknowledge the rule.

Every coach in America knows that if any players leave the bench- you are done for 2 games. If a coach leaves the bench- they have to take a anger management class, pay a fine and serve a suspension.

It will be interesting to see what the OHSAA does. Do they impose another fine? Do they boot all DPS teams from the OHSAA or just Dunbar? Mark Baker should loose his license and never be aloud to work in Athletics again. He is incompetent.

The OHSAA was already watching DPS Athletics very closely, if you thought the hammer was brought with the football fiasco, just wait - this will get ugly.
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