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Old 10-12-17, 08:25 AM
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Maybe playing blackjack, but not video poker. You see, casinos are in business to make sure you don't win so much that they go out of business. A computer can ensure this happens.
Did you even bother reading the article you posted which claims otherwise?
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Old 10-12-17, 08:30 AM
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Yeah.....no. I know a few people who make more than a solid chunk of change playing online poker. A very real possibility.
I appreciate the random story, but what does it have to do with this guy playing video poker?
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Old 10-12-17, 08:39 AM
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I appreciate the random story, but what does it have to do with this guy playing video poker?
Your high school English teacher must be so proud of you.
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Old 10-12-17, 08:48 AM
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And if it does, arrests ensue and licenses are revoked.
The payouts are small enough and random enough, that they don't go out of business.
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Old 10-12-17, 08:50 AM
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Did you even bother reading the article you posted which claims otherwise?
Yes, the article claimed people can become multimillionaires by playing video poker.
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Old 10-12-17, 09:02 AM
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Seems to be some confusion about poker vs video poker here

poker = can easily be a long term winner if you're a good enough player as you're playing against other gamblers, not the house

video poker = small statistical disadvantage against the house even when playing perfect strategy. over a large enough sample size you will always lose, but doesn't mean you can't win in the short term as the odds are pretty close to 50/50

So you can become wealthy playing video poker, but it would be due to luck, not skill.

That said, Paddock by all reports made his fortune in real estate. He may have made money in video poker, but it was not the original source of his wealth.
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Old 10-12-17, 09:02 AM
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Yes, the article claimed people can become multimillionaires by playing video poker.
That's not what I stated and that has nothing to do with my previous response. Nice deflection. I take it given your response, you didn't actually read the article you posted?

In regard to the above, you realize this guy had a career before getting into gambling right?
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Old 10-12-17, 09:03 AM
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Video poker is a machine that is programmed to win a small percentage of the time, but it does win, just like slots. Any individual player may win for awhile, but not if they play long enough. Anyone who says they make a living playing video poker is lying.
I think if you checked, you'd find that the software for video poker doesn't manage payouts because the player has the ability to alter their ability to win by keeping or discarding cards. What they ARE probably regulated on are the frequency of randomized cards appearing and that there is no code that changes that based on the hand held by the player.

One of my 1st assignments as a freshman was to create a program to play computer blackjack and if you program for the standard dealer rules the house will win almost exactly as predicted - assuming you really ARE randomizing the cards presented. For extra credit I added to the program to make a text-based poker game. It's a relatively easy program to create as well as to cheat at - which makes it easy to detect.
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Old 10-12-17, 09:07 AM
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Your high school English teacher must be so proud of you.
More randomness. Awesome
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Old 10-12-17, 09:23 AM
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That's not what I stated and that has nothing to do with my previous response. Nice deflection. I take it given your response, you didn't actually read the article you posted?

In regard to the above, you realize this guy had a career before getting into gambling right?
That was the whole premise, and the guy who does make his living playing poker, doesn't think you can do the same with video poker.

As far as I can tell he stopped working in the mid 80's. His jobs up until then are not jobs that would typically pay a lot of money, thus helping him along to multi millionaire status.
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Old 10-12-17, 09:34 AM
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That was the whole premise, and the guy who does make his living playing poker, doesn't think you can do the same with video poker.
Well the guy who was a gambler and currently runs a business that covers the casino industry disagrees with you and claims to know people who can get an advantage playing video poker. Even the guy you're referring to claims it's possible. What the heck are you reading?

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As far as I can tell he stopped working in the mid 80's. His jobs up until then are not jobs that would typically pay a lot of money, thus helping him along to multi millionaire status.
As far as I can tell, you haven't really looked into how he made his money then.
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Old 10-12-17, 09:45 AM
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More randomness. Awesome
Just took note that seemingly 75% of your posts on Yappi are calling someone out for one of the following: spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, substituting the wrong word while rarely talking about the topic of the thread.
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Old 10-12-17, 09:55 AM
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Well the guy who was a gambler and currently runs a business that covers the casino industry disagrees with you and claims to know people who can get an advantage playing video poker. Even the guy you're referring to claims it's possible. What the heck are you reading?



As far as I can tell, you haven't really looked into how he made his money then.
“There’s a small chance that Paddock played the percentages very well and eked out a small edge, but it’s very doubtful. "

Yeah, I can make a living on that. LOL.
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Old 10-12-17, 09:59 AM
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That was the whole premise, and the guy who does make his living playing poker, doesn't think you can do the same with video poker.

As far as I can tell he stopped working in the mid 80's. His jobs up until then are not jobs that would typically pay a lot of money, thus helping him along to multi millionaire status.
Literally every article I've read about Paddock mentions he hit it big with a few real estate investments and then continued to buy up properties with the earnings.
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Old 10-12-17, 10:46 AM
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“There’s a small chance that Paddock played the percentages very well and eked out a small edge, but it’s very doubtful. "

Yeah, I can make a living on that. LOL.

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On Wednesday night, I spoke to Anthony Curtis, a former professional gambler who is now the owner and publisher of Las Vegas Advisor, a Web site covering the casino business. (On Thursday evening, after this piece was published, Curtis e-mailed to say that he’d just discovered Paddock’s name in the Las Vegas Advisor database. “He was buying how-to-play products from us,” he explained—all of them related to video poker.) Curtis said that, unlike traditional slot machines, video-poker machines can be outsmarted. The video-poker machines at Mandalay Bay, according to Curtis, paid out $99.17 for every hundred dollars played. “Video poker is well known for attracting people who have compulsive gambling problems,” he told me. “It’s almost the perfect gambling game. But it also has the property of being able to be beaten. So it attracts a lot of very intelligent people.” Curtis told me that he’d been in touch with a number of such players in Las Vegas who “can derive advantages over the casino of half of one per cent, sometimes higher.” He said that around a dozen of these players, whom he declined to name, had “ended up running in the same circles as Paddock,” and recalled observing him over the past few months.
So this former gambler who's business revolves around casinos is lying or just doesn't know what he's talking about?
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Old 10-12-17, 10:49 AM
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^^^ Did you see the part of that article that said Paddock wasn't considered as savvy as the others?
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Old 10-12-17, 10:49 AM
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^^^ Did you see the part of that article that said Paddock wasn't considered as savvy as the others?
Did I say he was?
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Old 10-12-17, 10:50 AM
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Literally every article I've read about Paddock mentions he hit it big with a few real estate investments and then continued to buy up properties with the earnings.
If Ann Coulter didn't cover his real estate dealings they never happened.
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Old 10-12-17, 12:55 PM
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Literally every article I've read about Paddock mentions he hit it big with a few real estate investments and then continued to buy up properties with the earnings.
And the articles also that mentioned he made a living gambling, his own brother said that. Odd too that there are no real specifics about how he made it big in real estate, other than an apartment that he owned. That kind of stuff is all public record, yet no details on it. Was he flipping houses? commercial real estate?
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Old 10-12-17, 01:47 PM
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Odd too that there are no real specifics about how he made it big in real estate
Plenty of specifics.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...2b58133454c80e

http://time.com/money/4969462/las-ve...l-estate-guns/

Out of curiosity, what is the conspiracy here in your mind?
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Old 10-12-17, 02:18 PM
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How he made his money is entirely relevant, and totally unanswered, but the real conspiracy here is the slow walk of the facts.

Now I could live with that, in the interest of getting it right, but releasing a revised time line without evidence sows doubt in even Mandalay Bay's mind.

I'll ask this again, wouldn't the hotel security cameras verify everything that happened (with a time stamp) in that hallway? The frickin' shooter set up his own cameras (undetected) that I guess didn't have time stamps.

Somebody, to the second, knows when he shot the guard, when the window broke, when the 600 hits started, when he died, when the door got blown off...why revise it and still leave people guessing?
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Old 10-12-17, 02:22 PM
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Plenty of specifics.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...2b58133454c80e

http://time.com/money/4969462/las-ve...l-estate-guns/

Out of curiosity, what is the conspiracy here in your mind?
I have read lots of articles on this thing, and that first one you linked, is the only one I have seen with such detail of his path to wealth. Just seems there should have been more reporting on this. I don't have any conspiracy theory. It is just natural, when the media is telling us something, that there would be details to back it up.
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Old 10-12-17, 02:44 PM
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The frickin' shooter set up his own cameras (undetected) that I guess didn't have time stamps.
Everything I've read says the cameras Paddock set up weren't recording.

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why revise it and still leave people guessing?
Because there's an active investigation and the police are, as they should be, focused on doing their job rather than satisfying your curiosity as quickly as possible? Just a guess.
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Old 10-12-17, 03:11 PM
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Everything I've read says the cameras Paddock set up weren't recording.
You seem to be in the know, why did Paddock pump 200 rounds through the door when the "security guard" acted on a stuck door in another room on the same floor?
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Old 10-12-17, 03:14 PM
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You seem to be in the know, why did Paddock pump 200 rounds through the door when the "security guard" acted on a stuck door in another room on the same floor?
Why did he shoot all those people?
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Old 10-12-17, 03:14 PM
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You seem to be in the know, why did Paddock pump 200 rounds through the door when the "security guard" acted on a stuck door in another room on the same floor?
I presume the cameras he placed in the hallway were on, they just were not recording anything. So Paddock could see the hallway outside of his door, but there would be no record of what he saw.
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Old 10-12-17, 03:16 PM
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You seem to be in the know, why did Paddock pump 200 rounds through the door when the "security guard" acted on a stuck door in another room on the same floor?
Because room service sucked
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Old 10-12-17, 03:25 PM
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Why did he shoot all those people?
Weird caveat, I don't really care why.

In case you hadn't noticed, it's the how that I'd like answered.

I'll say again, this guy makes the Oswald magic trick pale in comparison.
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Old 10-12-17, 03:27 PM
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What do you think the conspiracy is here gullibletine?
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Old 10-12-17, 03:27 PM
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I presume...
Not a slam, but there's a bunch of that going around.
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