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Old 07-05-17, 04:49 PM
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What would happen if North Korea hit the United States with a Nuclear Weapon?

So it looks like North Korea theoretically has a missile that can reach Alaska. With as crazy as their leader appears to be, if he chose to send a missile into the United States, even a lightly populated area, how would the eventual war play out?

Would we react with our own nuclear missile? Ground forces? Surgical strikes? Just removal of their leadership?

Seems we are on a path with this guy and not sure where it going to end...
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Old 07-05-17, 05:11 PM
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So it looks like North Korea theoretically has a missile that can reach Alaska. With as crazy as their leader appears to be, if he chose to send a missile into the United States, even a lightly populated area, how would the eventual war play out?

Would we react with our own nuclear missile? Ground forces? Surgical strikes? Just removal of their leadership?

Seems we are on a path with this guy and not sure where it going to end...
Removal of their leadership should be in the works now if it isn't already. But if they launch a nuke at us, then surgical strikes and removal of their leadership. South Korea and Japan are our buds, no need to risk fallout on their lands.
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Old 07-05-17, 05:14 PM
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I hope and pray China will come to there senses and put the hammer down on the Norks. Dont forget also that we are technically still at war with NK. I read an article that the US could take out his conventional weapons quickly and mot of them can't each the heart of the capital. If however he uses nukes the carnage in SK would be devastating. That same article stated that at best there conventional weapons would have a 70% chance of hitting their targets and probably more like 50%. The US has the capacity to strike NK with over 300 cruise missiles and IIRC something like 50 JDAMS as a first wave that would take out the majority of his conventional weapons. If attacked though I think Kim wouldnt hesitate to use the nukes he has which the article said is five. He can hit the south with SCUD missiles armed with nukes. The two US subs in the area have 24 Trident missiles each with each warhead armed with eight nukes that detach and can be targeted while in flight....nasty. Scarry that we are even discussing this
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Old 07-05-17, 05:37 PM
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They will not nor would they ever do it. Kim is survival first, and they would be annihilated if they struck us first. Utterly. He knows it.


What NK seeks to do is complicate any conventional warfare with the threat of nukes. Used on Japan or SK if anyone puts counter moves on them. They may be planning something of a stupid offensive. They want a payoff, if nothing else.
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Old 07-05-17, 05:38 PM
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I hope and pray China will come to there senses and put the hammer down on the Norks. Dont forget also that we are technically still at war with NK. I read an article that the US could take out his conventional weapons quickly and mot of them can't each the heart of the capital. If however he uses nukes the carnage in SK would be devastating. That same article stated that at best there conventional weapons would have a 70% chance of hitting their targets and probably more like 50%. The US has the capacity to strike NK with over 300 cruise missiles and IIRC something like 50 JDAMS as a first wave that would take out the majority of his conventional weapons. If attacked though I think Kim wouldnt hesitate to use the nukes he has which the article said is five. He can hit the south with SCUD missiles armed with nukes. The two US subs in the area have 24 Trident missiles each with each warhead armed with eight nukes that detach and can be targeted while in flight....nasty. Scarry that we are even discussing this
What may be even scarier is that we have allowed this situation to fester and progressively get worse through at least the last three administrations covering 24 years. The Clinton, Bush 2 & Obama folks have failed us if this turns into a shooting war with nukes. Another elegant example that the so called "experts" and "smartest folks in the room" aren't so expert or smart.
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Old 07-05-17, 05:48 PM
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So it looks like North Korea theoretically has a missile that can reach Alaska. With as crazy as their leader appears to be, if he chose to send a missile into the United States, even a lightly populated area, how would the eventual war play out?

Would we react with our own nuclear missile? Ground forces? Surgical strikes? Just removal of their leadership?

Seems we are on a path with this guy and not sure where it going to end...
I think it depends on where the strike occurs:

* If it falls into the sea but we confirm it had a nuclear warhead and it was aimed at us than at minimum we move ASAP to remove Kim and the leadership using surgical strikes up to and including low yield, targeted nukes (only as a last resort to get the bastard).

* If they manage to hit the US but it's a remote area and they take out mostly trees & bears than we should immediately launch strikes in retaliation that include nukes to take out the leadership and military capability of NK. Efforts would be made to spare as much of NK as possible.

* If they get lucky and take out a major US population center and kill hundreds of thousands of Americans then the response should be a full scale nuclear retaliation that annihilates NK. And before you start calling me General Turgidson from Dr. Strangelove, keep in mind that in this scenario the message must be sent that to attack the US with nukes that kills thousands will be met with utter & complete destruction regardless of the collateral damage that might occur to neutral or even friendly neighboring country's. This would have the effect, in the future, of encouraging internal power centers or neighboring nations to take action against a maniac like Kim BEFORE the unthinkable happens.
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Old 07-05-17, 05:51 PM
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They will not nor would they ever do it. Kim is survival first, and they would be annihilated if they struck us first. Utterly. He knows it.


What NK seeks to do is complicate any conventional warfare with the threat of nukes. Used on Japan or SK if anyone puts counter moves on them. They may be planning something of a stupid offensive. They want a payoff, if nothing else.
I hope you're right and to your point the guy does seem to like the good life!
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Old 07-05-17, 05:53 PM
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Send some nukes to S Korea.
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Old 07-05-17, 06:15 PM
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Korean Peninsula, Gulf of Korea on the Chinese coast....whatevs
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Old 07-05-17, 06:23 PM
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There is no option but to respond in kind. None.
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Old 07-05-17, 08:08 PM
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As if Un would think Trump would hesitate to turn NK into a sand pit.
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Old 07-05-17, 09:06 PM
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If we nuke anyone for any reason there will be people in the USA and around the world that will never forgive us.
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Old 07-05-17, 09:07 PM
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If any country tried to nuke the USA, that country would be wiped from the history books and turned into a waste land
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Old 07-05-17, 09:13 PM
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Send some nukes to S Korea.
It won't happen, but it would probably end this stupidity pretty quickly. That creates a Cuba style standoff and you only agree to removal of weapons with Nork disarmament. Any idiot attack is reacted to in kind with total annihilation. I tend to think that the survivalist in Kim would disarm with a payoff and the ability to keep his cushy life and dictatorship.
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Old 07-06-17, 01:54 AM
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South Korea would be an island after we were done with North Korea.
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Old 07-06-17, 11:32 AM
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I hope and pray China will come to there senses and put the hammer down on the Norks. Dont forget also that we are technically still at war with NK. I read an article that the US could take out his conventional weapons quickly and mot of them can't each the heart of the capital. If however he uses nukes the carnage in SK would be devastating. That same article stated that at best there conventional weapons would have a 70% chance of hitting their targets and probably more like 50%. The US has the capacity to strike NK with over 300 cruise missiles and IIRC something like 50 JDAMS as a first wave that would take out the majority of his conventional weapons. If attacked though I think Kim wouldnt hesitate to use the nukes he has which the article said is five. He can hit the south with SCUD missiles armed with nukes. The two US subs in the area have 24 Trident missiles each with each warhead armed with eight nukes that detach and can be targeted while in flight....nasty. Scarry that we are even discussing this
This is total fantasy....

We could not take out a majority of NK conventional weapons in a first strike.
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Old 07-06-17, 05:24 PM
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This is total fantasy....

We could not take out a majority of NK conventional weapons in a first strike.
I'll let the author of the article know that you disagree
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Old 07-06-17, 08:17 PM
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I'll let the author of the article know that you disagree
You know there's a good chance we can't EMP them, right ? Half of their yit has old "tube" technology
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Old 07-06-17, 11:13 PM
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This is total fantasy....

We could not take out a majority of NK conventional weapons in a first strike.
Well, if they nuke us first we will get several tries to take out lots of their weapons.
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Old 07-07-17, 07:51 AM
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This is total fantasy....

We could not take out a majority of NK conventional weapons in a first strike.
We've been planning and conducting exercises for over half a century. There are plans where we start the attack, they start the attack, we respond tentatively and we respond with every asset in the region..... 1st strike may be hyperbole, but there's a very real chance that we could eliminate their command and control in a 1st strike and take out their offensive capabilities before they can conduct any meaningful attack.
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Old 07-07-17, 09:57 AM
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Hopefully we would NOT respond with a nuke, but certainly we should use the rest of our military might and strategy to destroy their current administration and replace it with one that can guide that country into the 21st century. Eventually becoming more akin to South Korea and perhaps integrating entirely with that country.

I'm not so sure we shouldn't already be doing that though
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Old 07-07-17, 10:26 AM
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Hopefully we would NOT respond with a nuke, but certainly we should use the rest of our military might and strategy to destroy their current administration and replace it with one that can guide that country into the 21st century. Eventually becoming more akin to South Korea and perhaps integrating entirely with that country.

I'm not so sure we shouldn't already be doing that though
It would be easier to do what you said if we let South Korea take over after we destroyed NK.
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Old 07-07-17, 10:35 AM
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This is total fantasy....

We could not take out a majority of NK conventional weapons in a first strike.
Yep; pure fantasy to think we could take out the majority* of conventional weapons in a first strike.

* majority would be over 12,000 targets; since they would have to do something first, their assets would all be in combat positions, not sitting in a cantonment somewhere.
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Old 07-07-17, 12:44 PM
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If any country tried to nuke the USA, that country would be wiped from the history books and turned into a waste land
I have to agree with you here.
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Old 07-07-17, 02:40 PM
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It would be easier to do what you said if we let South Korea take over after we destroyed NK.
That's what I hope and imagine would happen
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Old 07-12-17, 11:11 AM
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I imagine (hope) they already have these scenarios simluated and ready. Can't imagine they'd be operating off the incompetance of thinking on their feet as if this would be unexpected.

Instead of "what will we do?" I think the question is "what do we already have planned to do?"

Bombing to oblivion people that have no control over their leadeship would send us to economic isolation. Even a preventative take-out might be seen as over the line.

Both are going to result in fear of us, from even our best friends. Or at least a public show if it in the case of a preventative take-out.

Everyone reasonable would expect collateral and the reaction has to be done presumming no perfect solition. If prevent is off the table, I think you try to end the government even if it takes out the entire capital and military installations and factoires, welfair the country until it can get on its feet, ala Japan and put a serious threat onto China that there is now a line that would lead to world disaster, don't cross it as they did in the Korean War.
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Old 07-12-17, 01:24 PM
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...the concern I have is that N. Korea would put a nuke on the top of a missile and fire it from one of their subs (they currently have about 50). Their navy by no means compares to ours, but it only takes one or two missile's to be fired just off the coast and we wouldn't have time to react.

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Old 07-12-17, 02:48 PM
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What do you think would happen??? Thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Americans would die. Then hundreds of thousands of South and North Koreans would die. Massive cleanup and rebuild. Fairly chaotic that first year, but life soon goes on. Another 1 to 2 of mild and lessening global disruption, the next iphone comes out and Browns fans ponder who to take with the 1st pick.
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Old 07-14-17, 02:37 PM
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What do you think would happen??? Thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Americans would die. Then hundreds of thousands of South and North Koreans would die. Massive cleanup and rebuild. Fairly chaotic that first year, but life soon goes on. Another 1 to 2 of mild and lessening global disruption, the next iphone comes out and Browns fans ponder who to take with the 1st pick.

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Old 07-16-17, 05:21 PM
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I'll let the author of the article know that you disagree
Just do a little critical thinking.... It took nearly 6 weeks and 100,000 sorties to "soften up" Iraq's military in 1991. It had to be followed up with a massive land invasion of 500,000 troops.

Iraq had a lot of materiel.

North Korea has more.

It took nearly 6 months for the US to move enough assets into place to conduct that war.

North Korea will not sit back and watch as we amass that kind of firepower nor will China or Russia.

It is pure fantasy to think the US can take out North Korea's ability to fight in a "first strike" without using Nukes.
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