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Old 08-27-17, 03:41 PM
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I know what you said, but I decided to paraphrase instead of doing a direct quote(my apologies). That aside.... if the freshman QB continues to perform like he did in week one, I believe that it would negligent of the coaching staff not to look at other options.
If the team continues to perform like this I think a lot of options will be looked at at all positions.
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Old 08-27-17, 04:04 PM
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How did the team respond better to the senior? What facts is that based on? I am sure it is just your opinion and you are entitled to it. Good QB's scramble and make throws to receivers who jump and make catches. I also did not say they will play who they want to play if you read my post. I said they will play who they feel is the best QB regardless of grade or age.

I'm told that many of the players feel that the senior gives Hoban the best chance to win. Although it's the coaches decision, continued ineffectiveness could potentially become a problem within the team.
Senior is a good kid with many friends on the team. I am sure those closest to him would like to see him get that opportunity and he may at some point. I do not think there is any problem at this time other than Hoban faced a really good team and lost. Many players underperformed. I have not heard anyone question the coaches decision other than on here.
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Old 08-27-17, 04:51 PM
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Senior is a good kid with many friends on the team. I am sure those closest to him would like to see him get that opportunity and he may at some point. I do not think there is any problem at this time other than Hoban faced a really good team and lost. Many players underperformed. I have not heard anyone question the coaches decision other than on here.
I hope as a team all facets play better against Mooney, Offense-Defense-Special Teams. That said without increased offensive productivity team chemistry could suffer. Iggy was a very good team and several Hoban units could have played better. (ie offensive line/defensive backfield)
Hoban must have a vertical passing game, to back defenses up. If this doesn't happen, IMO Thursdays result will continue.
Oh yeah btw, I hear the QB decision questioned at my dinner table and between whomever we give a ride home.
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Old 08-27-17, 05:34 PM
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St.V started a Frosh QB last year, and they had some issues, until he got some snaps under his belt. By the 2nd half of the season, he was doing just fine. The same will hold true for Hoban. He's surrounded by a lot of talent, as he gains experience and confidence, his game will improve. If his coach didn't think so, he'd be " Ridin' the Pine ". As others have stated, he saw his toughest opponent last Thursday. Best of luck, to him and the Knights.
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Old 08-27-17, 05:47 PM
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St.V started a Frosh QB last year, and they had some issues, until he got some snaps under his belt. By the 2nd half of the season, he was doing just fine. The same will hold true for Hoban. He's surrounded by a lot of talent, as he gains experience and confidence, his game will improve. If his coach didn't think so, he'd be " Ridin' the Pine ". As others have stated, he saw his toughest opponent last Thursday. Best of luck, to him and the Knights.
That's true, but dealing with 16-17 year old teenagers is tough. Two State Championships should mean Coach knows what he's doing. Evident by Coach speaking that several strengths of the team not playing as well as anticipated, meaning the offensive line and defensive backfield. The young QB must be supported until(if) he gets better or a change is made.
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Old 08-27-17, 06:23 PM
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That's true, but dealing with 16-17 year old teenagers is tough. Two State Championships should mean Coach knows what he's doing. Evident by Coach speaking that several strengths of the team not playing as well as anticipated, meaning the offensive line and defensive backfield. The young QB must be supported until(if) he gets better or a change is made.
I agree 100%. With the coming opposition being weaker than St.I, it seems that the line play and defensive play should also improve. If it doesn't, than yes, that's a big problem. Personally, I think the Knights will regroup and come out swinging, giving their young QB a chance to start earning his stripes. Unless the coach has a personal beef with his senior QB, the only reason I can see that the Freshman is under center, is that the coach thinks he's a winner and is giving him the keys to the car, for the next 4 years.
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Old 08-27-17, 06:49 PM
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I agree 100%. With the coming opposition being weaker than St.I, it seems that the line play and defensive play should also improve. If it doesn't, than yes, that's a big problem. Personally, I think the Knights will regroup and come out swinging, giving their young QB a chance to start earning his stripes. Unless the coach has a personal beef with his senior QB, the only reason I can see that the Freshman is under center, is that the coach thinks he's a winner and is giving him the keys to the car, for the next 4 years.
...or at least until daddy gets mad and takes him elsewhere...

Let me be clear that I don't know anything about this kid's dad. I am speaking from the perspective of modern day youth sports.
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Old 08-27-17, 07:24 PM
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That's true, but dealing with 16-17 year old teenagers is tough. Two State Championships should mean Coach knows what he's doing. Evident by Coach speaking that several strengths of the team not playing as well as anticipated, meaning the offensive line and defensive backfield. The young QB must be supported until(if) he gets better or a change is made.

When the defense repeatedly lines up 2 CB on 3 WR's, intentionally leaving the middle guy uncovered and the safety 20 yards off the line, then the QB throws the ball to the uncovered guy and he either scores or takes the ball for 50 yards ... to me that's on the coaches for the scheme, not the kids on the execution. Hoban has done that for years and I could never figure out why teams didn't take advantage of it more ... then we played St Ignatius.

And let's not kid ourselves on why Hoban is good ... they've searched northeast Ohio for better players. I wonder what the current coach would have done in 2013 with the players on Ralph Orsini's last team which went 1-9.


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Old 08-27-17, 08:18 PM
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When the defense repeatedly lines up 2 CB on 3 WR's, intentionally leaving the middle guy uncovered and the safety 20 yards off the line, then the QB throws the ball to the uncovered guy and he either scores or takes the ball for 50 yards ... to me that's on the coaches for the scheme, not the kids on the execution. Hoban has done that for years and I could never figure out why teams didn't take advantage of it more ... then we played St Ignatius.

And let's not kid ourselves on why Hoban is good ... they've searched northeast Ohio for better players. I wonder what the current coach would have done in 2013 with the players on Ralph Orsini's last team which went 1-9.


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I saw the same thing in the secondary. Either the LB is suppose to drop out in coverage or the safety has to come over and cover. Neither of which happened.

Hoban is better because of the head coach and the support of the administration and parents. The head coach sets the tone. His staff reflects his desire to win. The school has made capital improvements in the facilities, especially in the weight room and training facilities. One of the finest in the state of Ohio, even among colleges. This helps all Hoban athletes, not just football. The desire to win and compete at a high level has attracted many good student athletes. Players going to play at D1 & D2 colleges also attract better athletes. But it all starts with the coach. It took coach 2 years to turn program around. 5-5, 6-4 to 14-1 14-1 and 2 state titles.
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Old 08-27-17, 08:27 PM
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When the defense repeatedly lines up 2 CB on 3 WR's, intentionally leaving the middle guy uncovered and the safety 20 yards off the line, then the QB throws the ball to the uncovered guy and he either scores or takes the ball for 50 yards ... to me that's on the coaches for the scheme, not the kids on the execution. Hoban has done that for years and I could never figure out why teams didn't take advantage of it more ... then we played St Ignatius.

And let's not kid ourselves on why Hoban is good ... they've searched northeast Ohio for better players. I wonder what the current coach would have done in 2013 with the players on Ralph Orsini's last team which went 1-9.


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Hoban attempts to disguise it's man/zone concepts. Often when a db is on the #1 and #3 receiver they're not always playing man to man. At the snap, the coordination of the Rover, ILB and FS are crucial. The SS also plays a important role in seam play. This coordination did not occur and must get better.
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Old 08-27-17, 10:59 PM
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He was never coming unless he was going to be the starter...this was a done deal. The kid was worked out prior...
agree, fixed horse race
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Old 08-28-17, 05:56 AM
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agree, fixed horse race
Not true. He was never worked out for coaches. He did play in an all star game at Hoban.
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Old 08-28-17, 06:25 AM
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Although the senior QB does have a strong arm he did not win the position outright through his overall performance in scrimmages. It was the Freshman that threw both TD passes in the first scrimmage and also in the second scrimmage. 2 of the 3 were plus 50 yards. Freshman also showed the ability to scramble and throw on the run. Coaching staff at Hoban will play who they think is the best at that position. Grade and age doesn't come into play from what I have seen. Senior is a great kid and his opportunity may present itself at some point at QB or WR.

Fact check: It stands to reason that the freshman QB threw more touchdown passes during scrimmages since he consumed most of the playing time. Played in Louisville scrimmage for 3.5 quarters.
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Old 08-28-17, 06:50 AM
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Not true. He was never worked out for coaches. He did play in an all star game at Hoban.
Fix was in! It's been speculated since May. Freshman QB was trained by @Unrivaled Athlete, father of former QB Danny Clark. Freshman QB was congratulated as the varsity starting quarterback by Danny Clark on May 22(Twitter link attached). Attempts made during summer to break talented senior QB to justify plan already in place. When that didn't work, freshman QB was given nod based on practice and scrimmage performance' where he got most of the playing time. Team chemistry with both QBs is good, but several disagree with idea that freshman "beat out" anyone. Coach Cougarfan22 may not be hearing the decision questioned anywhere but Yappi; he obviously was not sitting in the stands on Friday night. It's all anyone was talking about.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DClarkQB/...78240412790784

Clark's dad told him year's ago young QB would be special.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DClarkQB/...73523289935872
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Old 08-28-17, 07:33 AM
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https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/hi...nship-in-a-row

They had one but apparently he is easily forgotten. (2:00 mark)

The disrespect -- when the coach can't remember your name -- suggests the decision was made a long time ago. The teenaged players, including those blamed for Friday night's loss, are watching the coach. He needs to lead by better example.
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Old 08-28-17, 11:21 AM
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No comparison between 6-2 212 Lindsey (a year younger) than the 5-8 175 Hamm. Lindsey has a strong accurate under utilized arm. Hamm tries to guide the ball in a shotput manner.
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Old 08-28-17, 05:13 PM
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Fix was in! It's been speculated since May. Freshman QB was trained by @Unrivaled Athlete, father of former QB Danny Clark. Freshman QB was congratulated as the varsity starting quarterback by Danny Clark on May 22(Twitter link attached). Attempts made during summer to break talented senior QB to justify plan already in place. When that didn't work, freshman QB was given nod based on practice and scrimmage performance' where he got most of the playing time. Team chemistry with both QBs is good, but several disagree with idea that freshman "beat out" anyone. Coach Cougarfan22 may not be hearing the decision questioned anywhere but Yappi; he obviously was not sitting in the stands on Friday night. It's all anyone was talking about.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DClarkQB/...78240412790784

Clark's dad told him year's ago young QB would be special.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DClarkQB/...73523289935872

Citing D.C. Or his Dad on social media doesn't help your case. Laughable, Neither one has any influence on the decision making of the head coach. Plain and simple the freshman is better than the senior. I know it sucks for the senior but it is what it is. Yea I was in the stands and I didn't hear anyone making a case for the senior who was playing WR to move to QB. I was too busy cheering on the team than complaining about something I cannot control. Coaching staff wants to win and really don't care what the parents or fans think.
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Old 08-28-17, 05:18 PM
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Wait, you used to say that it was the outstanding Catholic education that brought in many great players all at once. I knew that was a ruse from the beginning, and I'm glad you no longer pretend that to be the case.
Guess you didn't see that I said student athlete. Didn't hit concession stand but I did visit the facilities at half. Also amazes me how many Hoban supporters such as yourself degrade your school and team. Could you explain that? Yea I still am very happy with the high quality education that Hoban offers all of its students and athletes.
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Old 08-28-17, 05:46 PM
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Fact check: It stands to reason that the freshman QB threw more touchdown passes during scrimmages since he consumed most of the playing time. Played in Louisville scrimmage for 3.5 quarters.
Fact check. Varsity only played 2 qtrs so he played 1.5 qtrs not 3.5! He earned more playing time base on what he did in practice.
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Old 08-28-17, 07:23 PM
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Old 08-28-17, 08:31 PM
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Hoban attempts to disguise it's man/zone concepts. Often when a db is on the #1 and #3 receiver they're not always playing man to man. At the snap, the coordination of the Rover, ILB and FS are crucial. The SS also plays a important role in seam play. This coordination did not occur and must get better.
Thanks for the analysis. You must be a coach or former coach.

That sounds a lot better than my " hey, they've got 3 guys and we've got 2 over there."
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Old 08-28-17, 08:48 PM
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Nice try. How is it disparaging to the school to point out that you are not objective? Everything the coach does is the correct thing. It is amazing that he or his staff never make a mistake. In reality, the coach and staff have their strengths and they have their weaknesses. You would strengthen your arguments if you would acknowledge that.

We should call you the Hoban Football Information Minister.
What would you like me to admit Hoban2019? Say something bad about the coach? Players? Administration? My experience has been otherwise. Do the coaches make mistakes? Sure they do! Do the players? Sure. I said they didn't play with much effort after the first half. But when a team wins back to back state championships and goes 28-2 I am pretty happy. Not much to complain about. Lots of players going to go to college for free due to the program and head coach. I will try to be more objective in the future and say something negative so that you will feel better.
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Old 08-28-17, 09:50 PM
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What would you like me to admit Hoban2019? Say something bad about the coach? Players? Administration? My experience has been otherwise. Do the coaches make mistakes? Sure they do! Do the players? Sure. I said they didn't play with much effort after the first half. But when a team wins back to back state championships and goes 28-2 I am pretty happy. Not much to complain about. Lots of players going to go to college for free due to the program and head coach. I will try to be more objective in the future and say something negative so that you will feel better.
Not to write words on behalf of 2019, but I think he's saying that those of us who have been around for a while and are full tuition payers (at least I am), didn't "buy" Hoban for the championship football teams. We bought the friendly and welcoming nature of all those we met during open houses, CYO pre-season basketball tournaments and friends from our Catholic grade schools whose families previously chose Hoban a few years before us and had universally good things to say about the school. We bought the band boy or cross-county girl who gave us our tour of the facility and spoke of their experience as a student who may or may not have played a sport.

2019 and I both have sent multiple children to Hoban, and given the choice to start over, would definitely do it again (I know I would) because of the good people in the building - students, teachers and administration and their families we've met over the years. My children have participated on varsity sports teams and have had a wide variety of experiences doing so. If the football team suddenly went 4-6, I'd still go with the wife and kids to the game on Friday night because it's a social event for us at this stage of life. We might not travel to Padua on a 45 degree night in late-October, but we'd still go more often than not.

There's a segment of the school population, who while we enjoy the games, aren't all-in on what we perceive to be the overall direction of the school as it relates to the athletic programs. We think it's trying to be turned into a football factory and I'd venture that a fair share of the students would echo those opinions. We deep down don't care that the football team won 2 state titles - but we're really happy for the kids on the teams who put in tons of time and effort and see the rewards of their hard work and dedication in trophies in early-December in Columbus.

We like the outstanding exercise facilities (which my kids have used) and the new chapel from the fundraising campaigns. We like that the new chapel got built first. We like the teachers who make far less money and retirement savings than they could in a public school system. We like the overall education our children receive, as it prepares them for college and life. We like the ability for our kids to participate in Kairos retreats and March for Life. We like the friends our kids' make during the school day and while running track, swimming, playing volleyball or tennis for the school. We like the coaches in those same sports who spend the same hundreds of hours and many months away from their families to make a few thousand dollars overseeing our children's activities.

We like the impression of fairness, but when we hear in videos posted here the coach unable to name who we believe is the non-recruited back-up QB, we wonder if "the fix was in" and that kid wasn't given a fair chance to compete. And when the prior QB tweets 3 months prior about the kid from afar getting the starting nod, we again wonder if "the fix was in".

We don't like year-long investigations from OHSAA resulting in suspensions and dragging of the school's name in the mud as a result. We don't like people having decisions overturned and losing their jobs while doing their jobs because the powers-that-be didn't like the decision. We don't like the thought of long-time employees - faces of the school for decades - getting pushed out because they're not buying into the program. And I may be flat-out wrong on any of the statements in this paragraph, but it's because that's the perception that's out there - right or wrong.

To summarize, I love the place for what my kids have gotten out of it and I don't regret for a second sending my them there ... but it's not perfect.
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Old 08-28-17, 10:33 PM
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What would you like me to admit Hoban2019? Say something bad about the coach? Players? Administration? My experience has been otherwise. Do the coaches make mistakes? Sure they do! Do the players? Sure. I said they didn't play with much effort after the first half. But when a team wins back to back state championships and goes 28-2 I am pretty happy. Not much to complain about. Lots of players going to go to college for free due to the program and head coach. I will try to be more objective in the future and say something negative so that you will feel better.
Lack of depth, inexperience at critical positions, and in-fighting is a bad combination.
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Old 08-28-17, 10:41 PM
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We don't like year-long investigations from OHSAA resulting in suspensions and dragging of the school's name in the mud as a result. We don't like people having decisions overturned and losing their jobs while doing their jobs because the powers-that-be didn't like the decision. We don't like the thought of long-time employees - faces of the school for decades - getting pushed out because they're not buying into the program. And I may be flat-out wrong on any of the statements in this paragraph, but it's because that's the perception that's out there - right or wrong.

To summarize, I love the place for what my kids have gotten out of it and I don't regret for a second sending my them there ... but it's not perfect.
The part I bolded is definitely fact. I know several that have been forced out or are being forced out after being there for decades.

The direction of the school is changing, for better or for worse. It is definitely not the same school I attended all those years ago.
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The part I bolded is definitely fact. I know several that have been forced out or are being forced out after being there for decades.

The direction of the school is changing, for better or for worse. It is definitely not the same school I attended all those years ago.
Can't the same be said for Iggy's theology leadership? I've had the great privilege of listening to Jim Hogan speak on several occasions. Times they are a changing.
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Old 08-28-17, 11:00 PM
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I dont blame those that are concerned about football becoming king at Hoban. Dont get me wrong, I love all sports, including football, and I appreciate the value sports add to a childs education. But I dont disagree with the concerns about the football becoming more important than anything else mentality. I wouldnt wish it on my own folks, thats for sure.

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Old 08-29-17, 06:06 AM
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Not to write words on behalf of 2019, but I think he's saying that those of us who have been around for a while and are full tuition payers (at least I am), didn't "buy" Hoban for the championship football teams. We bought the friendly and welcoming nature of all those we met during open houses, CYO pre-season basketball tournament ents and friends from our Catholic grade schools whose families previously chose Hoban a few years before us and had universally good things to say about the school. We bought the band boy or cross-county girl who gave us our tour of the facility and spoke of their experience as a student who may or may not have played a sport.

2019 and I both have sent multiple children to Hoban, and given the choice to start over, would definitely do it again (I know I would) because of the good people in the building - students, teachers and administration and their families we've met over the years. My children have participated on varsity sports teams and have had a wide variety of experiences doing so. If the football team suddenly went 4-6, I'd still go with the wife and kids to the game on Friday night because it's a social event for us at this stage of life. We might not travel to Padua on a 45 degree night in late-October, but we'd still go more often than not.

There's a segment of the school population, who while we enjoy the games, aren't all-in on what we perceive to be the overall direction of the school as it relates to the athletic programs. We think it's trying to be turned into a football factory and I'd venture that a fair share of the students would echo those opinions. We deep down don't care that the football team won 2 state titles - but we're really happy for the kids on the teams who put in tons of time and effort and see the rewards of their hard work and dedication in trophies in early-December in Columbus.

We like the outstanding exercise facilities (which my kids have used) and the new chapel from the fundraising campaigns. We like that the new chapel got built first. We like the teachers who make far less money and retirement savings than they could in a public school system. We like the overall education our children receive, as it prepares them for college and life. We like the ability for our kids to participate in Kairos retreats and March for Life. We like the friends our kids' make during the school day and while running track, swimming, playing volleyball or tennis for the school. We like the coaches in those same sports who spend the same hundreds of hours and many months away from their families to make a few thousand dollars overseeing our children's activities.

We like the impression of fairness, but when we hear in videos posted here the coach unable to name who we believe is the non-recruited back-up QB, we wonder if "the fix was in" and that kid wasn't given a fair chance to compete. And when the prior QB tweets 3 months prior about the kid from afar getting the starting nod, we again wonder if "the fix was in".

We don't like year-long investigations from OHSAA resulting in suspensions and dragging of the school's name in the mud as a result. We don't like people having decisions overturned and losing their jobs while doing their jobs because the powers-that-be didn't like the decision. We don't like the thought of long-time employees - faces of the school for decades - getting pushed out because they're not buying into the program. And I may be flat-out wrong on any of the statements in this paragraph, but it's because that's the perception that's out there - right or wrong.

To summarize, I love the place for what my kids have gotten out of it and I don't regret for a second sending my them there ... but it's not perfect.
No it's not Utopia that's for sure. Your comment about why you chose Hoban is telling and elitist in my opinion. CYO Kids, people who have been sending their kids for years (legacy), full tuition paying and cross country and band students or maybe kids that don't play sports! Sounds to me like you want to exclude students who may not be able to afford a private education, or don't run in your social circles at the CYO events or at the country club. The majority of the football players play multiple sports, basketball, baseball, track, lacrosse and even participate in drama. These are not 1 dimensional students who come to Hoban for football only. The majority of them pay full tuition and if they don't they do work study to help pay their way. They are receiving an education that they would not have received otherwise in the public school system. One that is Christ based and led by Godly men and woman. Their lives are being changed because of this experience. I am sorry if it doesn't always fit nicely in a box.
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No it's not Utopia that's for sure. Your comment about why you chose Hoban is telling and elitist in my opinion. CYO Kids, people who have been sending their kids for years (legacy), full tuition paying and cross country and band students or maybe kids that don't play sports! Sounds to me like you want to exclude students who may not be able to afford a private education, or don't run in your social circles at the CYO events or at the country club. The majority of the football players play multiple sports, basketball, baseball, track, lacrosse and even participate in drama. These are not 1 dimensional students who come to Hoban for football only. The majority of them pay full tuition and if they don't they do work study to help pay their way. They are receiving an education that they would not have received otherwise in the public school system. One that is Christ based and led by Godly men and woman. Their lives are being changed because of this experience. I am sorry if it doesn't always fit nicely in a box.
Wow, getting that from 2020's post is a REAL stretch.
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Wow, getting that from 2020's post is a REAL stretch.
Cougar22 is very sensative about the topic since he is one of those that dont check many of those boxes. And he is rah-rah since all has worked out very well for his son. Why should he be concerned with the experience of others when all is peaches and cream for his family.
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